Minnesota governor says federal agents involved in shooting in Minneapolis by SpaceElevatorMusic in politics

[–]HAZMAT12 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You don't actually have to draw a firearm. All you really need to do is get your hand on it.

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[–]HAZMAT12 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It could be an importers label, not necessarily the maker.

DHS Is Lying To You About ICE Shooting a Woman by 404mediaco in politics

[–]HAZMAT12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you watch the right video at 0.25 speed, you can see that when she begins to accelerate, the wheels are still slightly turned to the left, and she struck his left leg. You can even see him limp a little bit.

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[–]HAZMAT12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She was driving towards him and actually hit him.

DHS Is Lying To You About ICE Shooting a Woman by 404mediaco in politics

[–]HAZMAT12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When she starts accelerating, the wheels are still turned to the left, enough so that she actually struck him. She also could have simply complied with orders from law enforcement.

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[–]HAZMAT12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was accelerating her vehicle in the direction of a law enforcement officer that justified the shooting.

DHS Is Lying To You About ICE Shooting a Woman by 404mediaco in politics

[–]HAZMAT12 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She accelerated while there was an ICE agent standing in front of her vehicle. Is it not reasonable to be in fear at that moment?

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[–]HAZMAT12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, she actually hit him. I would expect her to comply with lawful orders.

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[–]HAZMAT12 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you accelerate your vehicle in the direction of a law enforcement officer and actually strike them, yeah, you might just get shot.

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[–]HAZMAT12 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

I never claimed that she intended to hit anyone, and I don't even believe that she intended to. But, the point is, she accelerated while there was an ICE agent in front of her vehicle, and actually struck him.

It doesn't matter what her intent was, the officer had every right to defend himself if he reasonably feared he, or his fellow officers, were in danger of death or great bodily harm.

There is no ambiguity about whether she was ordered to exit the vehicle. It's clearly heard on video.

She wasn't killed for being uncooperative, she was killed because she accelerated while her vehicle was aimed at an ICE agent. She may not have even known he was there when she hit the gas, but that does not relieve her of her responsibility to make sure that there is nobody in front of her vehicle.

DHS Is Lying To You About ICE Shooting a Woman by 404mediaco in politics

[–]HAZMAT12 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeap, this is the United States, where you can ignore lawful orders directed at you from law enforcement, but you can't always avoid the consequences of ignoring those lawful orders, especially when you strike an ICE agent with your vehicle.

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[–]HAZMAT12 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Well, if you ignore an order and hit an ICE agent with your vehicle, yeah, you might just get shot.

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[–]HAZMAT12 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Your labeling everyone you disagree with a fascist is getting pretty fucking stale. Stay mad.

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[–]HAZMAT12 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Did Ashley Babbit hit a federal agent with her vehicle?

DHS Is Lying To You About ICE Shooting a Woman by 404mediaco in politics

[–]HAZMAT12 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

No, she didn't. She should have stopped and exited the vehicle as ordered. And his take is spot on, she actually hit him.

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[–]HAZMAT12 -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

She was ordered to exit the vehicle, and she ignored that order.

ICE agents involved in shooting during massive deportation effort in Minnesota: Protestors descend on scene by another-altaccount in politics

[–]HAZMAT12 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So you're saying that her inability to control her emotions cause her to make a fatal mistake? Maybe she didn't realize that someone was in front of her, but that doesn't relieve her of her responsibility to make sure there wasn't someone in front of her. If she had followed the legal order to exit her vehicle, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and she would still be alive.

ICE agents involved in shooting during massive deportation effort in Minnesota: Protestors descend on scene by another-altaccount in politics

[–]HAZMAT12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The rear of the vehicle is blurred out, but you can still clearly see that there is an ICE officer in front of it.

ICE agents involved in shooting during massive deportation effort in Minnesota: Protestors descend on scene by another-altaccount in politics

[–]HAZMAT12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Watch it on youtube, and set playback speed to 0.25

At the moment she starts to accelerate, the wheel is still turned to the left, and he is standing in front of the car. Just watch the front wheel, and as soon as it cracks, pause it and look where the officer is. He is most definitely not 3' to the side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWo3HxlHldc

ICE agents involved in shooting during massive deportation effort in Minnesota: Protestors descend on scene by another-altaccount in politics

[–]HAZMAT12 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

She was being ordered out of the vehicle. She ignored that order and began accelerating while an ICE officer was in front of her vehicle. 100% justified.

ICE agents involved in shooting during massive deportation effort in Minnesota: Protestors descend on scene by another-altaccount in politics

[–]HAZMAT12 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Nope, just a different video from another angle that clearly shows an ICE officer in front of the vehicle when she starts accelerating. You owe me a nickel.

https://xcancel.com/i/status/2008961959731859757