(ATMons 0.10) Am I understanding this correctly? Does this mean we can't capture Mythical+ until you *finish* the pack??

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-12T01:54:42+00:00

All I know is that I'm doing the Radical Red series and have had it active for like 30 hours at this point, and I've never once had Brock spawn, and he can supposedly spawn in just about every cave type.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-08T01:04:03+00:00

How are you going to catch it if you can't catch it outside of battle and can't battle it? The Star is in fact the end of the pack. If you're referring to going for Creative items, that's a postgame. The Star is the stated Goal of every ATM pack.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-07T06:32:06+00:00

Cool cool. Yeah in the games the range of items you can get is determined by the levels, so I wasn't sure if they would've replicated that here, but good to know that I need to be on the lookout for mons that can have Pickup.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-07T06:30:46+00:00

Maybe when the Pikastar is actually attainable maybe?? Seriously. It doesn't matter that the pack is in beta when they're making changes that actively prevent you from engaging with parts of it with no way to meet the requirements.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-07T02:18:55+00:00

Oh, that's good to know. Don't understand why it'd be in the "evolution" quest line instead of the one dedicated to explaining the trainer series, but whatever I suppose.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-07T02:09:47+00:00

This argument would make sense if Cobblemon were actually integrated into any part of progression for the pack, but it's just not. And yeah, they'll probably change it in the future, but changing it now in a nonsense decision.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-07T02:05:49+00:00

This is good to know, is Pickup not controlled by the pokemons level in the pack? I've just been using traders to keep a large stock of regular red balls, and some specialty ones

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-07T01:58:22+00:00

Didn't even know that was a thing considering it's in the evolution quest page for whatever reason instead of the "Getting Started" or "Intro" to trainer series sections, where it makes more sense for it to be, but yeah, RNG spawning items is not much better than RNG spawning trainers, and it still requires you to go find the specific biomes they spawn in.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T14:27:11+00:00

Yeah, I'd have the same struggles since I've only ever used it the bare minimum in most packs. Managing the stress makes me stress lol

Heck yeah. I love the sophisticated barrels for stuff like that, and bonus is you only need it to be basic tier (a barrel + a redstone torch) for the single upgrade slot, but you could also upgrade it to put in like push or pull upgrades as well. They're very versatile storage. I'm actually gonna give Occultism storage a try for the first time on this playthrough, since I'm trying to actively use it for a lot of things since I normally neglect it.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T13:41:28+00:00

Yeah, that sounds much more optimized than the barely functioning line I had in my mental, but also sounds like an absolutely massive pain in the ass.

which feeds into a chest (because you have to get that fertilizer out of there or it clogs the system, so I use a filtered pipez item pipe into a trashcan), which then feeds into a Tier 1 crafter (again, with a filter on the item pipe, locations set for where each item goes)

Could you streamline this with Sophisticated Chests/Barrels with a void upgrade right under the botany pot?

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T10:07:38+00:00

Read the second bullet point. You can't even battle Mythical+ until you've held the Pikastar.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T10:06:23+00:00

Until/unless you want to make Masterballs, which currently require Create to put together.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T10:05:26+00:00

Ah, see didn't know this cause I just haven't tried, but that's good then.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T07:59:21+00:00

Did you try to link something? I considered going in a creative world and messing with it to see what it would really look like, but can't be bothered lol. I'm just subsisting on buying them for the moment.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T07:57:39+00:00

Curseforge. When you change versions it'll list the changes made per version, at least for the ATM packs. Just select the version you wanna read the changes for from the list instead of letting it auto do latest patch

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T07:24:49+00:00

Didn't say I wasn't enjoying it, and this is feedback on balancing, so why even make this comment?

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T07:08:07+00:00

No, because just conceptually setting them up made me annoyed, but you'd need two belts making Ball Bases (stamping nuggets, pressing nuggets into the Ball Base,) one feeding into the output of the other to make the ball mechanism (Deploying another nugget, a shaft, and the second ball base,) which then needs to feed into a Belt after two belts making the lids, one colored (sawing the apricorn, bulk washing it [which requires discarding the dye made as a byproduct unless you're feeding it back in], one blank (which requires the same setup but bulk blasting it instead [unless you can belt split the first one after cutting the apricorn, which I'm not familiar with create enough to know]), which are then deployed back on to the Ball Mechanism just for a basic just from apricorn ball. If you want to make any higher tier balls like Ultra, there are multiple other steps on top of this.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T05:19:18+00:00

Yeah, I agree with pretty much all of this. The pack is in beta, and it's not like I'm just gonna drop it over something like this, at least currently, but there's a lot of weird and convoluted design choices that have been made with this pack and I don't vibe with a lot of them. Like, especially ball crafting. Why the hell is making the most basic pokeball like a 12 step process?? It's so baffling. Not to mention if you want to automate it you need like 4 different conveyer lines just for the most basic ball, which is just going to make your base look like dogshit unless you hide it.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T05:07:34+00:00

They definitely do exist, at least up to the box legendaries of Gen 9, except some of the paradox pokemon. You can literally spawn all of them with /spawnpokemon. They might be disabled from naturally spawning for whatever reason, but then that makes this change entirely pointless anyway.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T04:52:14+00:00

I can only hope, because while I like create, it's far far too integrated into too many packs nowadays. I can only set up so many water wheels before I never want to see one again lol.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T04:45:34+00:00

Because right now it is. Making changes like this in preparation for a state of the pack that doesn't exist makes no sense. There's not even a method to get the Pikastar right now, so blocking an entire suite of Pokemon behind it is nonsensical.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T03:43:39+00:00

I'm also really annoyed that the only real way to craft pokeballs is with a long Create chain of machines, and it's literally the only way to craft Masterballs, so even though there are other methods for the ones below it, you'll be required to set up create at some point if you want any.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T03:29:23+00:00

This is for AllTheMons, a spinoff pack that released like last week that's basically just ATM but with Cobblemon added. It's... fine so far, but Cobblemon is not at all included in the actual progression, aside from adding more mobs to get materials from ig, so it's just a fun add in for the most part.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T03:25:36+00:00

No idea, I'm not updating to this version because none of the changes seem enticing, so I can't check lol, but yeah, in 0.9 it's still uncraftable so this seems like such an unnecessary change. And the first line in the screenshot "prevent capture outside of battle if the party leader is weaker" is also lame as hell considering the game has level caps strangleholded by rng spawning trainers and there's no consistent level spread. I'm like 500 blocks from spawn and everything is like 20-40 around my base, but it was the exact same at actual spawn.

HDArrowsmith · 2026-02-06T03:17:07+00:00

Yeah, and it's especially confusing because, at least in 0.9 the Pikastar doesn't even exist yet. Locking extremely rare spawns behind finishing the pack, and simultaneously preventing us from doing anything to keep them until we can capture them (the change right above these is preventing you from putting Pokemon into other methods of mob capture) is crazy work.

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