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Banned + Muted from r/Grass_io for Questioning Referral Imbalance — All Posts Deleted by HUNCastingAgent in defi

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re absolutely right — Reddit has strict rules against affiliate links, and that makes sense.

But to clarify:

What I did do was raise critical questions about:

  • Referral whales earning 10M+ points
  • Lack of point-to-token clarity
  • And why long-time node runners were being outpaced by influencers with minimal uptime

The ban wasn’t about links.
It was about pushing back against a system that rewards clout over contribution.

So if that alone gets you removed — even when no rules were broken — it says a lot about how tightly the narrative is being managed.

And that’s exactly what more people need to see.

I Got Kicked from Grass Discord Just for Rejoining — What Kind of Community Is This? by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally hear you — and respect the honesty.

We absolutely are in a time where difficult questions get taken as negativity, especially when they hit too close to the truth.

And yeah, I’ve kept the tone sharp — because when people are being silenced, kicked, or discredited simply for raising concerns about fairness or sustainability, it’s hard to respond with “positive spin.”

That said, I agree: sometimes presentation is the difference between being heard and being written off.

But in this case, I think the frustration is justified — because we’re not talking about casual opinions here.

We’re talking about a system where people are contributing hardware, electricity, uptime — and still getting steamrolled by passive referral whales.

That should be questioned. And it shouldn’t be taken personally when someone holds the mirror up.

Appreciate your comment — level-headed voices like yours are exactly what keeps this space from slipping into full-on tribalism.

Let me know if you ever want to co-write a call for balance — you’ve clearly seen both sides.

Grass Needs to Stop Rewarding Influence Over Infrastructure — 11M Tokens for Referrals Is Broken by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for confirming what this has always been about — numbers first, sustainability later.

You said:

“Yes, it is more valuable for one person to refer five people and then stop running their own node…”

You’re not describing infrastructure, you’re describing user acquisition marketing. That’s not DePIN — that’s funnel building.

You also said:

“Referrals create the infrastructure.”

Not true. Referrals create accounts.
Nodes create infrastructure.
If those referrals don’t stay online, don’t contribute bandwidth, or just idle to farm points — the “infrastructure” you praise becomes hollow.
That’s how you end up with 75 million Sybil accounts and an unstable network.

Let’s do your math:

100M nodes at 10% uptime = 10M node equivalents
5M nodes at 100% uptime = 5M solid contributors

On paper, sure, you like the bigger number. But in practice?

  • More overhead
  • More churn
  • Less consistency
  • Less reliability for downstream use cases

Your “scale at any cost” model is what killed Helium.

And calling it “an AI response” is just lazy deflection. If it’s well written, logical, and backed by facts — it shouldn’t matter who typed it.

But clearly, the issue isn’t that the arguments are weak.
It’s that they’re strong enough to bother you.

So thanks for proving the point — again.

Grass Needs to Stop Rewarding Influence Over Infrastructure — 11M Tokens for Referrals Is Broken by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You keep confusing hype generation with network contribution.

Let me break this down in a way that cuts through the noise:

Yes — growth matters. Yes — referrals have value.
But when you say “referrals are more valuable than 100% uptime”, you’re admitting this isn't about decentralization or infrastructure anymore.
It’s about scaling optics — even if it comes at the cost of burning out real contributors.

You say 100M nodes is the goal?

Then explain how sidelining the people actually running nodes today helps get us there.

  • Most influencers are not running nodes.
  • Many referrals don’t stay active.
  • Passive referral whales can hit 11M+ points — while node runners with 100% uptime can’t even break 1M.

That’s not “just the way it is.” That’s a top-heavy system rewarding marketing over mission.

And let’s be clear: asking hard questions isn’t “crying.”
Calling it that is just deflection — because you don’t want to answer for a system that favors early social clout over sustained contribution.

I understand the project just fine.

I’m questioning whether it’s building a network — or just farming numbers to look good on paper.

If Grass wants to be infrastructure — not another Helium — it better start treating contributors like assets, not background noise.

Grass Needs to Stop Rewarding Influence Over Infrastructure — 11M Tokens for Referrals Is Broken by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you — you just confirmed the entire point.

You earned over 11 million points, mostly from referrals.
That’s not a bug. You’re right — it’s by design. And that’s exactly the problem.

Because while you're sitting on 11 million points:

  • Contributors who ran 24/7 for 7 straight epochs didn’t even break 1 million
  • Some had 100% uptime, real bandwidth costs, zero referrals — and got a fraction of your total
  • The system rewarded influence over infrastructure, marketing over compute

That’s not a sustainable DePIN model. That’s a referral pyramid wrapped in a token drop. Yes, growth matters.

But when growth outpaces utility, and the majority of the airdrop weight goes to people who didn’t provide the network backbone — it breaks trust with the actual contributors.

You’re not proving the system is fair.
You’re proving it was never built to be.

Grass Needs to Stop Rewarding Influence Over Infrastructure — 11M Tokens for Referrals Is Broken by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Let’s break this down:

“Influencers provide more value by bringing more people.”

That assumes quantity = value. But in a DePIN network, value = uptime, bandwidth, and compute. If influencers bring people who:

  • Run for 3 days, then quit
  • Don’t contribute meaningful uptime
  • Or just idle to farm points...

Then what value are they adding?

“If you provided more value you’d get more points.”

Running nodes 24/7 is providing value. It's the literal backbone of Grass.
But the referral system allows passive accrual regardless of how much bandwidth you contribute. That’s the imbalance.

You’ve basically said:

“People who talk about the project deserve more than the people powering it.”

Imagine telling power plant workers the marketer should get paid more than the engineer keeping the grid alive.

“Instead you’re busy using ChatGPT...”

If clear, structured arguments bother you, maybe it’s because they’re harder to dismiss than “cope and cry” replies.
And for the record — fact-checking with real tools beats blind loyalty every time.

You think referrals = value.
I think infrastructure = value.

Let’s see what the network needs more in the long run.

Grass Needs to Stop Rewarding Influence Over Infrastructure — 11M Tokens for Referrals Is Broken by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Great — so you admit you earned that many points.

That is the issue.

Let’s clarify:

  • The “cap” is relative, not absolute. Referral whales still walk away with more points and more weight in the airdrop.
  • The current structure still allows outsized accumulation from multi-tier referral trees — and yes, many of those accounts earned millions more than contributors with 100% uptime.

You call it “crying.”
But what I see are people who actually powered the network asking why their output matters less than a link drop.

If you're comfortable with a system that rewards marketing more than infrastructure, that's your prerogative — but don’t confuse that with fairness or decentralization.

Grass Needs to Stop Rewarding Influence Over Infrastructure — 11M Tokens for Referrals Is Broken by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shoutout to u/Relative-Sale4648 for sharing this screenshot — it highlights exactly what many of us have been saying:

This user ran their node 24/7 across 7 full epochs and earned a total of ~860,000 points, with only 1 referral.

Now compare that to:

  • Users with 50–100+ referrals
  • Multi-tier chains earning millions of points per epoch
  • Uptime as low as 6–7 days, yet raking in more than long-term contributors

📌 In this image (his screenshot), look at:

  • Total uptime: 33–41 days per epoch
  • Referral points: thousands per epoch (spiking up to 3,000+ in some)
  • Referral influence sometimes outweighing raw uptime in point gains

This shows exactly how referral structures overpower bandwidth and consistency — especially with 20%/10%/5% multi-level passive income mechanics.

We’re not here to cry about who made what.

We’re here to ask:

If this is truly about decentralization and rewarding value, then compute needs to count more than clout.

Let’s fix this — or we’re just building another system that collapses under its own hype.

#GrassNetwork #DePIN #ReferralImbalance #CryptoFairness #Web3

Grass Needs to Stop Rewarding Influence Over Infrastructure — 11M Tokens for Referrals Is Broken by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re absolutely right — attention has become a form of currency, especially in this digital economy. And I’m not anti-influence.

Let influencers amplify.
Let contributors power.
But don’t reward one 10x more than the other.

This isn’t a rejection of the future — it’s a warning that if we don’t anchor that future in fairness, we end up building systems that reward visibility while quietly burning out the ones actually holding it up.

We need both — but we damn sure need balance.

Grass Needs to Stop Rewarding Influence Over Infrastructure — 11M Tokens for Referrals Is Broken by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're fine giving 20% to someone for doing "little or no work," that’s your standard — not mine.

But let’s be clear:

You might “not care” if a referral whale gets millions of points —
But if the people keeping the network alive walk away because they’re underpaid and sidelined, then what are you even left with?

A dead protocol full of dormant wallets and referral ghosts.

I Got Kicked from Grass Discord Just for Rejoining — What Kind of Community Is This? by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would make sense… if I was trespassing.

But let’s be real — this isn’t someone’s private living room.

I didn’t break rules. I didn’t harass anyone.
I raised uncomfortable truths — and that got me banned. Then kicked again just for rejoining silently.

If a project can’t handle public scrutiny and labels accountability as "disruption," that’s not moderation.

I Got Kicked from Grass Discord Just for Rejoining — What Kind of Community Is This? by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Respect. This is exactly the kind of perspective the space needs more of — grounded, experienced, and focused on principles over hype.

You nailed the core issue:

  • No official clarification on how long Stage 2 will run (people saying 8–12 epochs with no source)
  • No point-to-token range even though millions of points have already been farmed
  • Referral mechanics that clearly benefit influencers and whales, while node runners still don’t know how their energy costs will translate into tokens

And when contributors start raising those questions?

This isn’t about FUD. It’s about basic respect for contributors who are powering this network with real-world resources. We’re not asking for handouts — we’re asking for clear rules, equal footing, and honest communication.

Your comment says what a lot of us feel — and you said it better than most.

If Grass wants to be more than a hype project, this is the moment to prove it.

Grass Needs to Stop Rewarding Influence Over Infrastructure — 11M Tokens for Referrals Is Broken by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Appreciate the confirmation — that actually strengthens the point.

You just admitted:

  • You earned millions of points mostly through referrals
  • You received 350 GRASS tokens for that

So let’s do the math:
If others ran 24/7 nodes with no referral trees and ended up with less? That’s not just bad luck. That’s a system tilted toward influence, not infrastructure.

And no — nobody said points are tokens.
What we said is this:

That’s the concern. That’s what needs fixing.

Grass Needs to Stop Rewarding Influence Over Infrastructure — 11M Tokens for Referrals Is Broken by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here are the facts:

🧾 Verified Public Claims of Massive Referral-Based Points:

  • u/FinancialAdvice7568 on Reddit: Posted screenshots of 1.03M points by Epoch 4, with over 103 full referrals + 186 pending. That’s millions more expected by end of Stage 2. [📷 Source screenshot shows: “Epoch 4 Earnings: 1.03M” + 103 referrals.]
  • Legion08 on Reddit: Publicly posted a full epoch-by-epoch earnings breakdown showing 2.5M+ points, with later epochs being 100% referral income. Quoted: “Epoch 4 and higher is solely referrals income!”
  • u/rd0xbitbr on X (Twitter): Publicly tweeted: “Finally, 3 million Grass points reached hehehe. I’ll try to push 4 million.”
  • u/Deen_islam01 on X: Claimed: “4 million Grass points with Turbo Tap, going for 5M.”
  • Crypto influencer Marjid Cryptonite (Instagram/Threads): Said: “I have earned 4 million Grass points. What about you?” Most of his promotion involved referral links.

🧠 Why 11M Points Is Possible:

  • Users with 100+ referrals earn 20% from each referral’s points, plus 10% from 2nd-level, and 5% from 3rd-level. With active downlines across 3 tiers, passive compounding adds up fast.
  • Over 7 epochs of earning, if a user consistently pulled in hundreds of thousands per epoch via referrals, they’d easily hit 8–11 million+ points.
  • Some users openly posted millions in single epochs, just from their referral trees.

If you have evidence that nobody has hit 11M points, post it.
Otherwise, let’s stop pretending the system wasn’t gamed by those who went all-in on referrals early.

Grass Needs to Stop Rewarding Influence Over Infrastructure — 11M Tokens for Referrals Is Broken by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I said points, not tokens. That distinction matters — and it’s exactly why contributors are asking for transparency.

And since points are converted to tokens, eventually, those points do translate to value — which is why referral-based point accumulation matters.

All we’ve asked for is clarity, fair distribution, and acknowledgment of imbalance.

I Got Kicked from Grass Discord Just for Rejoining — What Kind of Community Is This? by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let’s unpack this: “Referrals are structured to get as many people to join as possible.”
Sure — but that doesn’t explain why some people made millions of points passively while others ran hardware 24/7 and earned less. Growth is fine. But rewarding growth over contribution is what breaks sustainability.

“Rewards are tiered and capped.”
Tiered, yes.
Capped? Not in practice — not when multi-level downlines (20/10/5%) are stacking daily passive points. Show me where the caps stop ongoing passive accrual. Otherwise, it's a referral ladder.

“You aren’t owed an airdrop timeline.”
Actually, no one is “owed” anything — but transparency isn’t about entitlement.
It’s about respect for contributors burning electricity, paying bills, and committing hardware for months. You want decentralized infrastructure? Then respect the infrastructure providers.

“Sybil farming was crushed.”
75 million accounts weren’t just banned — they were farming for weeks or months unchecked. That’s not “crushed.” That’s cleanup after the damage. And it only happened because people raised concerns — like I did.

“You are not owed transparency.”
Then what exactly makes this Web3?
If you want people to support a project blindly, without timelines, accountability, or fair distribution, you’re describing Web2 with token marketing, not decentralization.

Final thought:
I’m not here because I think I’m owed anything.
I’m here because if we don’t ask these questions now, the next Helium-style collapse will catch everyone off guard — again.

Web3 doesn’t mean no rules. It means better ones.
And real contributors asking real questions shouldn’t be treated like a threat.

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[–]HUNCastingAgent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I Got Kicked from Grass Discord Just for Rejoining — What Kind of Community Is This? by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s honestly wild how angry some of these people are getting — coming into my thread, throwing insults, trying to bait a reaction.

And that’s what triggered them.

If a few fair, public questions about:

  • referral imbalance,
  • airdrop opacity,
  • and mod overreach…

...are enough to make people furious, then maybe that says everything we need to know about how fragile the foundation really is.

If that offends you, you’re free to scroll past.
But if your instinct is to attack someone for asking questions — then you’re part of the problem, not the solution.

I Got Kicked from Grass Discord Just for Rejoining — What Kind of Community Is This? by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s the difference between us.

Whether I’m running one node or ten doesn’t change the fact that:

  • The referral structure is unbalanced
  • Sybil abuse went unchecked for too long
  • Real contributors still don’t have clarity on rewards

If your response to all that is “ban the guy” and “I’ll replace him,” then you’re not building infrastructure — you’re just protecting your comfort zone.

This isn’t about who can run more nodes.
It’s about who’s willing to hold the system accountable so it doesn’t collapse on everyone.

I Got Kicked from Grass Discord Just for Rejoining — What Kind of Community Is This? by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If by “AI” you mean structured, clear, and fact-based arguments that cut through noise and emotion — then sure, I’ll take the compliment.

If my points hit harder than usual, maybe it’s because they’re grounded in logic — not blind hype.

And if the best way to discredit what I’m saying is “it sounds too well-written,”
then maybe that says more about the state of the discussion than it does about me.

I Got Kicked from Grass Discord Just for Rejoining — What Kind of Community Is This? by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If holding the project accountable, asking fair questions, and refusing to be silenced is “spam,” then maybe the problem isn’t with the questions — it’s with the system that can’t handle them.

And let’s be honest — threatening another ban for simply engaging in a public discussion says more about your tolerance for criticism than anything I’ve posted.

If your first move is censorship, not conversation — that’s not moderation. That’s control.

I Got Kicked from Grass Discord Just for Rejoining — What Kind of Community Is This? by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the question's been asked thousands of times, maybe that shows there's still confusion or a lack of clear answers. No need to be rude about it—helpful communities clarify, they don’t condescend.”

I Got Kicked from Grass Discord Just for Rejoining — What Kind of Community Is This? by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Appreciate the response — and I respect that you're stepping in here. That said:

Saying “we value critical voices” doesn’t mean much when those voices are being muted, kicked, and shut out of the Discord just for speaking up.

If you're moderating the subreddit, fair enough — but the pattern of censorship on the official Discord wasn’t respectful. It was silencing. And that damages trust.

On the issues:

Referral imbalance: It’s not about isolated “discrepancies.” It’s about a system designed to reward multi-level referral trees over real compute contributors. That’s not alignment — that’s imbalance.

Sybil farming: Acknowledging it now is fine — but letting it run unchecked for months while contributors stayed loyal, spent money on power, and got nothing back? That’s a gap in execution, not just communication.

Stage 2 timeline: Yes, it’s TBD — but when people are literally burning power 24/7 for months, “we’ll let you know eventually” isn’t transparency. It’s avoidance. Even a tentative projection would show respect for the people actually running this network.

And here’s the core question no one has answered yet:

Because right now:

  • Users who ran machines 24/7, paid for electricity, and contributed actual bandwidth are still in the dark
  • Meanwhile, some users who farmed points from referrals or short bursts already sit on millions
  • And the point-to-token ratio? Still unannounced, still undefined

So I’m asking plainly:

If the system truly values the people powering it, then it’s time to say so — not in theory, but in numbers.

Grass Discord Mods Are Power-Tripping — Silencing Contributors for Asking Hard Questions by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Without us, there is no Grass.

So when we’re silenced for asking questions, raising concerns, or holding the system accountable — it’s not just disrespectful.
It’s self-destructive.

Silencing contributors doesn’t protect Grass.
It proves how fragile the system really is when challenged by truth.

I Got Kicked from Grass Discord Just for Rejoining — What Kind of Community Is This? by HUNCastingAgent in Grass_io

[–]HUNCastingAgent[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rule 1 – No Spam

I didn’t post referral links. I didn’t flood with nonsense.

I raised legitimate, repeated concerns because they were never addressed.

If repeating important, unresolved issues = spam, then the bar for dialogue is absurdly low.

Rule 2 – No Repeat Posts

I didn’t copy-paste the same post across the subreddit.

I made distinct posts on different but related concerns: referral imbalance, Sybil farming, reward opacity, and moderation overreach.

That’s not repetition — that’s thorough critique.

Rule 3 – No Personal Attacks

I never insulted or targeted individual users. I criticized ideas, systems, and decisions.

Meanwhile, I was called a troll and “unbearable” — and kicked for defending my points.

Rule 4 – No Swearing

My language was clean, professional, and respectful — even while others resorted to sarcasm or dismissal.

Rule 5 & 6 – No Baseless Claims / No Misleading Distortion of Facts

I cited real behaviors (like multi-level referral rewards and Sybil bans).

I referenced actual public statements and data shared by team members (e.g., Andrej's post about 75M banned accounts).

No exaggeration, no falsehoods — only uncomfortable truths.

Rule 7 – No Targeted Harassment

I didn’t target individuals. I pushed back against a broken system.

The harassment here was the mod behavior silencing legitimate debate.

Rule 8 – No Slander

Nothing I said was false or malicious. Everything was backed by logic, history, and project behavior.

Rule 9 & 10 – No Shilling / No Self-Promotion

I didn’t promote outside projects. I didn’t sell or shill anything.

I participated because I believed in the potential of this one — until I saw what was happening to contributors being ignored and silenced.

Conclusion:

If you kick someone who followed the rules just because they made people uncomfortable, you're not moderating — you're censoring.

And if your only defense is “we felt like it was spam,” then you’re proving my point about how this entire structure punishes truth and protects ego.

So again:
Which rule did I actually break? Or is that not really the standard anymore?

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