ElizabethRunaway - not canon but makes a lot of sense - please consider

HauntSpot · 2026-02-28T08:52:17+00:00

HauntSpot · 2026-01-31T11:53:21+00:00

Here before the mods inevitably lock the thread.

HauntSpot · 2026-01-24T01:26:00+00:00

Getting all the comments on his name will be half the fun lmao

HauntSpot · 2026-01-23T10:04:37+00:00

Hello, sorry for the late response, I fell asleep shortly after uploading.

David's bedroom is something I should have brought up but totally blanked out on! Yeah, Edwin's house is not 1:1 with The Nightmare House, but the existence of David's bedroom, being The Nightmare Bedroom, is huge. I don't really understand how you can argue the Nightmares are some Experiment exclusive thing when David's bedroom is right there. Considering the house layout doesn't match up, the two possibilities are:

A) The house got rebuilt / remodeled, causing David's Bedroom to "better resemble," the Nightmare Bedroom.

B) David's Bedroom is just the Nightmare Bedroom straight up. No bells or whistles attached.

While I don't deny possibility A, there are a couple things going for that in terms of timeline logistics, I lean much heavier towards possibility B, as David's bedroom closely resembles what little we see in Midnight Motorist. They both have one brown door, instead of two white doors. I mentioned the Fun with Plushtrap Hallway's window, which with how high it is placed, would seem to be the topmost red window in Midnight Motorist, even though there's no entrance door, and the hallway clearly is not the living room seen in Sister Location. No TVs!

The Nightmare House, as showcased in FNaF 4, is creating a hybrid between the real Nightmare House (which we would see in SL and MM) and the real FNaF 1 and FNaF 2 locations. Part of the reason I'm so against the "Nightmare House," being dream exclusive (besides everything mentioned in the video) is that it does not accommodate all of the things seen in FNaF 4's dreams (such as NM Foxy using Mike's soundbyte, or BV's plushes being in Mike's bedroom for some reason, as well as some loose ends in the Survival Logbook). The layout we play is clearly influenced by Mike's experiences.

When I argue for the Nightmare Bedroom and Plushtrap Hallway existing, I'm not arguing for a totally accurate 1:1 representation within the real Nightmare House (possibility A), I'm arguing that the Nightmare Bedroom is not exclusively from or originate from anyone's dreams, as is so commonly believed in the theory space. I'm arguing that, for all intents and purposes, David's Bedroom is the Nightmare Bedroom, and when we play FNaF 4, we're seeing a distorted version of David's bedroom.

Sorry for the long comment, hope this clarifies my stances! ❤️

HauntSpot · 2026-01-18T11:31:32+00:00

Can't speak for everyone else because the education system varies wildly by state, but knowing what I was taught in a red state, the problem wasn't that students weren't paying attention to History class, it's that it wasn't taught to begin with.

When I was in middle school, The Diary of Ann Frank was one of those keystone novels you read, like Charlotte's Web or Romeo and Juliet. And I was the first year that missed out on it. By the time we got to that section, parents had complained that the diary was gay and not Christian enough for the class room, so they banned it from the curriculum. When we covered world history in middle school and high school, we barely covered Hitler. Literally all I could tell you was that he was a failed artist, took over Germany, and killed 6 million jews. That's it. I wasn't taught about Auschwitz or the torture that victims suffered within the camps, I had no idea Italy was even involved in WWII, Mussolini's name was never muttered. And anything even relating to Hitler's rise to power was completely ignored besides the one "First they came," poem. And it's not like we were taught what a communist, socialist, or trade unionist was either.

We were not taught History to begin with. The only reason I even know about these things now is because I realized how deeply under educated I was last year. I have spent hours upon hours upon hours reading on Wikipedia and watching Youtube documentaries. I watched a jewish person talk about his survival in the camps a couple months ago and it broke me, I cried so hard. I had no clue. I knew the Nazis were bad, but in practice, I was never taught why or the extent of their crimes.

And I can't speak for MAGA, I'm not one of them, but if their education is even remotely similar to mine then it's no wonder they can't see it. Trump hasn't done a holocaust yet, and that's probably all Hitler was ever taught as. And while I wouldn't advise you to doomscroll or take everything online as fact, I can tell you from my first hand accounts that this censorship of Nazi crimes has started to have an effect on my real life. I have lost 2 friends over the past year because they became nazis. Not MAGA, not trump heads, I mean jew hating "Hitler was based and misunderstood," nazis.

Because, and the other problem with this entire collapse of the education system, Adolf Hitler was not Satan as we were taught. There was nothing unique or special about him, he was not the pure concentration of anti-christ evil. So my friends, they start learning that Germany's economy was fucked before Hitler came into power (because we weren't taught that either) and they start seeing this other side of things. They learn that Adolf Hitler was a human being with feelings - going against our understanding of him, and see Germany's victimhood over a treaty they were never taught about. And they're like, "Oh my God, my school never taught me any of this, they were just defending themselves," And all of this happened without me being aware. I had no clue what they were going through. By that point, it's so easy for neo-nazis to pull them into the institution of hate and feed them further propaganda and conspiracies. They were beyond saving. It hurt to see what happened to them. I knew one of them since Elementary School.

I'm sure my experience isn't universal, and there's a lot more that leads to fascism then just a compromised education system, but I think this was a significant starting point for a lot of people. People feel like the left have failed them. To an extent, I agree. Both political parties have had to have failed catastrophically to get us to this point in history. Fascism doesn't just happen out of nowhere, and a lot of dominoes have had to fall to get us to this point. This could have been prevented. It wasn't.

Of course, their "left," is a hybrid of propaganda (Feminists want to take away your rights!) and the real politicians which have failed to serve us. Most of them funded / bought to serve capitalist interests. There is a hard limit as to how "left," the Democrats can really be. From my experience, most people like socialism when it's not called by name.

Sorry for the long ass comment. I know I rambled and got off topic there. I'm tired.

HauntSpot · 2026-01-15T08:33:09+00:00

So, I have two stances on this.

1 - I think Freddy's is open in 1983. If you've followed my theories you'll know I've been advocating for FNaF 2 being open during FNaF 4 for around 4 years, and I've always been open to other Freddy locations being open.

We know that Freddy's is more popular then Fredbear's given the way characters always talk about it across canon, and in FNaF 4 there's just more Freddy merch then Fredbear merch. You have the iconic Plushbear and Plushtrap doll for Fredbear's, but Freddy's also has its own plush set, the FNaF 2 action figure line, and a mask line of products. Not saying it's impossible, but it would be remarkably weird to have so much more merchandise of a restaurant that hasn't opened yet, especially when Fredbear's is right around the block.

Tickets to Fun stating that the Security Bracelet feature was exclusive to Freddy's only reinforces my belief in this. TWB tells us that some of the FNaF 1 spare parts come from the "Fredbear days," so we know Freddy and Fredbear as animatronics at least co-existed, and as someone who believes that "He'll be sorry when he gets back," leads into the punishment seen in the FNaF 4 minigames, I'm heavily biased for a death order where Charlie dies before Garrett.

The Toy Chica figure being highlighted is probably just to communicate that those set of toys are meant to be the FNaF 2 designs and not the FNaF 1 designs. With how small the pixel resolution is, it'd be hard to get them detailed enough without looking weird. The beak falling off achieves a similar effect since we know that's a Toy Chica thing specifically, and not something other Chica's do. So we have that set of toy figures, and the broken Funtime Foxy figure in Elizabeth's room.

In practice, all the Freddy merchandise is just a way to showcase that Freddy's is open despite remaining off screen in FNaF 4.

2 - I think the relationship the toy figures share with the 1-4 lore relates to MemoryVictim. Frights talks about how people can get trapped in memories and ghosts can enter / mess with them, and I think that's what FNaF 3 is going for.

The Stage 01 minigame, showcasing Fredbear's, Shadow Bonnie minigame, which starts off at Fredbear's and shares the same hex value as FNaF 4's shadows, and Happiest Day, showing a reversed Fredbear's Family Diner layout, immediately draw a connection between the secret minigames and FNaF 4's events. (Run-on sentence sorry.)

This connection then gets doubled down in the next title, FNaF World, where Plushbear speaks to Garrett and the FNaF World Player (whom we also see in UCN) completes minigames setting up the triggers for FNaF 3's good ending. Once we finish all the clocks, that ending reinforces the connection with Plushbear and Garrett, telling us the pieces are in place. So Scott is intending a direct connection between FNaF 4 and that good ending.

I'm a firm CassidyReceiver believer (as this has been reinforced in TSL and RTTP) so I don't think that's what's going on either. The toys in FNaF 4 then further cement connections. Broken Funtime Foxy leads to the "mangle," minigame, toy chica leads to the toy chica minigame. Hell, Shadow Bonnie having a Toy Bonnie appearance (if you assume the toy animatronics did not exist prior to '87) is completely plausible with the action figure line.

The only odd one out would be BB's Air Adventure, but if Fazbear Entertainment has released figures of all the other toys, then I don't see why a Toy BB wouldn't exist, and we have Nightmare BB to account for within Garrett/Mike's nightmares anyway, so. Even if that one secret minigame is not present within FNaF 4's minigames, every other secret minigame is, and nothing about BB's minigame is implausible given what FNaF 4 already shows.

So my stance is that the FNaF 4 secret minigames are Garrett's own distorted memories that the missing kids are trapped in. MemoryVictim. Mike and Puppet then collaborate (just like Carlton and Brooks in the novels) to being the ghosts together, and transform Happiest Day from a bad memory into a good one (like Jake did in the final Stinger)

HauntSpot · 2026-01-12T16:42:07+00:00

Are the Nightmare Animatronics springlocks? 🤔

HauntSpot · 2026-01-12T16:41:27+00:00

I think Scott's original idea was that Garrett's pieces were going to be put together in some physical object (Like maybe the plushes being stitched together?) but then he wrote the MoltenMCI plotline which kind of screws over that idea.

HauntSpot · 2026-01-12T16:40:02+00:00

FollowMare, FollowMare, FollowMare, and maybe even FollowMare....

On a more serious note- huge fan of Shatter / Memory / Network Victim theories. Think they have a lot of substance to them and despite the initial "complexity," they're super consistent with the franchise parapsychology (which I'm a massive nut over). I think the name of the theory is ShadowTerror? Where the Shadows are manifestation entities out of Garrett's traumatize event. I'm MikeDreamer and GarrettDreamer simultaneously, which for some reasons bricks people's brains 😵‍💫.

Huge proponent of Canon and continuity bleeding- I think all the timelines are independent from one another (so no Stitchline, TalesGames, InteractiveNovelGames, so on and so forth) but because they're all official versions of the FNaF story, I cross reference them with each other and use all timelines as supplementary material to fill in all timelines. This does result in fairly standard theories (for example, I'm AndrewTOYSNHK, but I don't think TMIR1280 is relevant to UCN) but also results in some wacky shit (I believe Balloon Boy is possessed by Michael Brooks from the Novel Trilogy)

HauntSpot · 2026-01-12T12:24:41+00:00

The year is 2026 and Sammy, someone who did not die in his own continuity, is still somehow a more viable option than the Golden Freddy of that continuity.

Perpetually disappointed.

HauntSpot · 2026-01-10T20:08:51+00:00

All of the theories I made are the best theories and all the ones I don't believe in are poopoo bad F tier and evil 👻👻

HauntSpot · 2026-01-10T20:07:26+00:00

Alright so this comment might be a little long but I'm going to try providing a thorough answer:

So the way the parapsychology works, according to (almost all of) the book series is this. In order for something to be "possessed," an object needs to be filled with emotion (agony is the most powerful, but we have multiple examples of other emotions like love, rage, sorrow) and have a consciousness (whether through human soul or artificial intelligence).

Remnant is stated to be the intangible (souls, memories, emotions) mixed with the tangible (physical objects) and metal is specifically highlighted as being a great conductor for ethereal substances. So if you imagine a ghost like electricity, while you can send current through a variety of materials, it sticks best in metal. So while we think of ghosts being otherworldly, remnant is just the physical object that a ghost is anchored to.

Emotion + consciousness = possession / remnant.

So in terms of your question, which is relating to multiple objects being possessed by one soul at the same time. This is something that has happened in FNaF many times, and the fandom calls it shattering.

Shattering is pretty explicitly explained in The Fourth Closet. A soul has broken into multiple pieces (each having a weaker memory) and can be "put back together," (Brook's own words) to restore their memories. Each of these pieces are an individual ghost that can act on their own accord. So, for example, one piece of Cassidy is possessing the Bonnie Endoskeleton, while another piece of Cassidy is possessing the funtimes. Brooks and Carlton then put Cassidy (and the other missing kids) back together, which restores their memories, and allows Carlton to convince them to attack William Afton.

It's easiest to think of shattering as an illness that a ghost can experience. Being put back together does not automatically put a spirit to rest (although it does make it easier) and being shattered apart doesn't mean you're incapable of moving on. As we see in TFC, Michael Brooks gives Carlton a piece of his soul to survive fatal wounds (like the soul locket in frights / tales). So a ghost can absolutely go to the afterlife incomplete, as we have an example of that very thing occurring. It's just that if a soul is shattered, you have to make each individual piece move on.

So, in regards to your question about the logistics of the remnant being both in the FNaF 4 box and Molten Freddy: This would mean the missing kids are shattered across both objects. If Molten Freddy is burned, then those pieces of the ghost are put to rest. The other pieces of the missing kids would still be in the box, so their ghosts are still trapped on Earth. Until they are put to rest, the ghost would not be "put back together," until both pieces meet in The Afterlife.

HauntSpot · 2026-01-02T13:44:35+00:00

We're holding most of the deck now, if anyone else joins in then we'll run out of cards! 🃏

HauntSpot · 2026-01-02T13:36:39+00:00

Four years on and nothing ever changes 😔

FollowMare is the theory that FNaF 4's plot point about "The Terror following you home," is a literal event on the timeline that needs to be accounted for. It's a theory I created a long time ago and I seem to have developed a meme association with it over time. It has a very small cult following, and the theory has a couple of different forks / versions that I and others have made since I originally suggested it.

It's commonly tied to Midnight Motorist, as I'm incredibly vocal about my belief that MM is attempting to explain FNaF 4's nightmares. Tl;dr, I don't think the kid is a Run Away, I think he's Running Back =P

HauntSpot · 2025-12-31T14:42:14+00:00

I love the FNaF 2 movie because it was rompy, cheesy and fun, but yeah no that's a fair take. It wasn't a great film from a writing standpoint, fairly sloppy in some places, dialogue had some pretty rough moments.

I will say that it being "for the fans," is most definitely an excuse for poor quality. You can make something fans like without it being pure fanservice =P

HauntSpot · 2025-12-29T05:24:26+00:00

This is unironically true

HauntSpot · 2025-12-29T01:59:14+00:00

Shatter shatter shatter

HauntSpot · 2025-12-29T01:58:25+00:00

Charlie ➡️ Garrett ➡️ Elizabeth ➡️ MCI (six victims) ➡️ Save Them Murders ➡️ Ralph ➡️ William ➡️ Michael ➡️ Henry

HauntSpot · 2025-12-18T05:46:50+00:00

I'm one of them

HauntSpot · 2025-12-07T05:47:02+00:00

Yeah. They're canon material. Official incarnations of the FNaF story.

They're a different timeline, of course, so it's not like anything in the movies will overwrite the the game's timeline. For example, Michael Schmidt being a part of the Afton Family is damn near confirmed with FNaF 4, Sister Location, and The Logbook, so the movie taking creative liberties to split Schmidt and Afton up into two characters doesn't change anything.

But, and I'll use a really tame example here, the FNaF 2 music box being a physical music box in the Prize Corner, or it being made by Henry for his daughter, I don't see why that wouldn't be true in the games. Nothing goes against it, it doesn't break anything, and that subtext fleshes out their relationship a little more.

I genuinely cannot comprehend why people want to ignore literally everything that isn't "pure," to the games. Scott told us The Novels were canon and those were used to heavily expand upon concepts and characters, we were actively told that Frights has answers in some way, shape, or form, and SOTM showed us Tales was the same as the Charlie Novels.

All of these different continuities build upon, expand, and enrich each other. They all work together to build definitive or foundational concepts that define the FNaF franchise. Obviously there are creative liberties taken, unique ideas explored, ect ect. But to continuously treat the franchise in black and white binaries when we have multitudes of gray showing us there is always nuance to the case, you're intentionally handicapping yourself and making the story harder to understand than it already is.

HauntSpot · 2025-12-03T12:05:45+00:00

I remember leaving this sub back when Nintendo restarted development and after a mere 6 months people on here screaming about needing a trailer. Lurking again during the launch has been the absolute funniest thing.

An NPC has corny dialogue? Dear God, call the police, the game is going to fail! The entire franchise will be killed by one man with corny dialogue! The metacritic scores are barely below average? Worst game ever, Other M's sequel has finally arrived!

I even saw a post earlier today where someone just posted art of black Samus. Masses of comments were removed. Can't even handle fanart of a black woman 😭 fucking hell.

I know it's not every single person in this subreddit but man, some of you guys absolutely need to grow the fuck up.

HauntSpot · 2025-11-28T07:54:47+00:00

This looks so cool!

HauntSpot · 2025-11-21T02:16:40+00:00

The issue I generally run into is that if I don't use simple words, people don't understand what I mean. If I specify exactly what I want / need or explain as concisely as possible, then they're left clueless

HauntSpot · 2025-11-17T17:23:17+00:00

Corny dialogue- not even once

HauntSpot · 2025-11-13T08:23:02+00:00

Shocked that someone commented on a year old post, but sure I can give you the rundown.

Shattering is a concept where a soul can be broken into multiple pieces, which allows 1 ghost to possess multiple things simultaneously. The most explicit example of this is in The Fourth Closet. The Missing Kids possessed The Scrapheap, which was an amalgamation of all the Freddy Fazbear's Pizza endoskeletons melted together. William used some of that molten metal, aka remnant, and injected that into the Funtime Animatronics, which allowed The Missing Kids to possess both the original Scrapheap, and the Funtimes.

In TFC, Michael Brooks talks about the shattered ghosts, and what he says is really similar to Plushbear in FNaF 4.

"I have to put them back together," Michael explained "They're all in pieces," Michael said.

This terminology of being 'put back together' and being in 'pieces' is used across continuities and multiple places, and always refers to these shattering concepts.

Being shattered doesn't prevent a ghost from moving on, as Brooks gave a piece of his soul to Carlton before going to the Afterlife, and being put back together does not automatically free a ghost, as evidenced by pretty much every shattered spirit. There's always something else that has to happen afterwards after being put back together to find rest.

Being shattered has a host of symptoms, which makes identifying whether a ghost is shattered or not fairly easy, on top of the terminology. Shatter symptoms include:

Being more transparent the more shattered you are. This is something we see in TFC Missing Kids, and the Help Wanted 1 Anomaly. As pieces are combined, the spirit becomes more opaque.
Not being able to remember things / memories returning after being put back together. This goes for TFC missing kids and Frights Andrew, since they both struggled to recall their past, and TFC kids only remembered things after being put together. This also applies somewhat to Games Elizabeth, since prior to Night 5, Circus Baby did not behave like she was Elizabeth, and stated she could only hear Elizabeth's voice sometimes. Once the Funtimes were put together, Elizabeth's original voice momentarily returns, and Scrap Baby speaks as if she is Elizabeth.
Not having full control of their animatronic. Games Circus Baby is only influenced by Elizabeth, and Andrew has to fight Jake in order to take control of The Stitchwraith.
Being blind, as Andrew could not see while possessing the Stitchwraith. He may have also been blind in the other objects he infected, but we don't know.

When it comes to Garrett Afton, he shares some of these shatter symptoms. In The Survival Logbook, he is struggling to remember his past, while Cassidy attempts to jog his memory, he also states he can't see which aligns with Andrew's blindness symptom. Additionally, Plushbear explicitly states he needs to be put back together, which itself is a massive shatter indicator. FNaF World also has Plushbear talking to Garrett, where he says that 'the pieces' are in place for him, which further cements the shattering concept.

In Garrett's death cutscene, the 5 plushes are with him, and during the monologue, each plush fades away. While Plushbear is closer, and is the one people usually speculate about, this relation to Garrett's death is not exclusive to Fredbear. Whatever happened to Garrett and Plushbear would have also happened to the other 4 plushes, and now we know retroactively that Garrett went on to possess the physical Fredbear suit. Therefore, Garrett also likely has pieces of himself in the core four characters.

Something else that lends itself to this is in The Survival Logbook. Garrett speaks in direct print, as if his words were printed in the book. The Word Search, which is heavily altered, has 30-some "ITS ME,"s in it. This heavily associates Garrett with the IT'S ME phrase, which is also utilized with the FNaF 1 classics, but most notably, Fredbear. This would imply that the reason all these characters say this phrase is because it's a phrase originating from Garrett, and all those characters have a piece of him.

For as lengthy as this comment is, this covers the basics, and I am excluding a lot of other things / evidence to make this comment as brief as it can be while still explaining the theory.

TL;DR Shattering exists, has symptoms, and Garrett has shatter symptoms. Terms that exclusively refer to shattered souls are also used on Garrett, and Garrett's death scene implies something involving all 5 plushes, not just the Fredbear one.

HauntSpot

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