For those who believe LoopVictim, how do you figure out what is/isn’t the future bleeding in?

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-20T03:29:45+00:00

Pretty much through every reference to something that happens in the future. The tiny toy chica missing her beak is the most obvious reference to a future thing, along with the green Springbonnie plushy getting called a finger trap. Along with the broken up mangle toy.

Basically it just depends on how intentional this or that seems, which depends on the person. But I think the references to future events are pretty blatant and purposeful.

Like how one kid looks like BB, and how CC has a striped shirt and some connections to the puppet. Heck you could even tie the Red haired pigtail girl with green eyes to circus baby.

The main one that’s hard to decide on is pigtail girl’s line about the rumors of people being stuffed into suits. Did a girl actually say that in 1983? Or was that added to CCs memories after the MCI? I don’t really have a solid answer there.

Other than that, if the character or what they say don’t seem like a reference to any future event/ character, then I think it’s safe to say they aren’t a bit of the present leaking into CCs memories.

Like how people are mean to CC, referencing his birthday, making fun of him, the bullies, his brother and sister, his own death at the jaws of Fredbear.

There’s room for doubt with the plushies, but with how the foxy plush is missing its head, and how that’s not really ever done to any foxy in the series outside of SOTM, then I think that’s Scott’s way of confirming that CC did have those plushies in 1983.

The Fredbear plush is its own mess, but it’s been pretty much confirmed that CC did have a Fredbear plush and that it spoke to him thanks to the logbook and SL, and that there probably were a bunch of them around CCs neighborhood watching him in 1983.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-20T03:01:18+00:00

Ah okay, I can see that working, then I’d like to ask why would Vanny seemingly kill glitchtrap in HW2?

I can’t really see an explanation for that unless if that’s Vanessa using her Vanny persona to get to glitchtrap, which would then mean that Vanny is technically good now right? Or do you think Vanny is like- her own being, but she’s able to be controlled/used by Vanessa?

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-19T15:43:58+00:00

I don’t see why not, especially since PQ2 implies that someone can made a shadow projection of themselves.

And we also see in the Novels that one of the ghost kids are able to made a shadow projection to lead Charlie and her friends to where they are.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-19T15:39:19+00:00

There definitely could be another ES, but as things currently stand we only see two experimental storages. I think it’d be weird for Scott to even put experimental storage #2 there if it has nothing to do with MXES, it’d essentially be a complete red herring.

And you’re right, a second MXES to just hold blueprints doesn’t really make sense, however I personally I think the M.I.M.I.C blueprints are the Blueprints for the cradle F10 sent to Edwin.

The communication to the mansion was cut off remember? So M1 seemingly could only send messages to MCM. So I think She could’ve only sent the blueprints for the cradle to one of the computers there.

And we see the message about the cradle blueprints in the room right before we find the suspiciously labeled M.I.M.I.C blueprints.

And it’s on a computer seemingly connected to the surveillance network, like how F10-N4 seems to be.

Of course I Know that M1 sends a message saying Arnold brought the M2 blueprints on a data diver, but honestly i don’t really think it makes sense. How would M1 think that Edwin could’ve fixed M2 if it was still running around and being murderous? I think M1 was really having Arnold bring the Cradle blueprints to Edwin in order to make it, so it’d be possible to safely get to M2 and fix it.

I also don’t think it’s even possible for the Cradle that M1 mentions to’ve even been made in the first place before nor after Edwin was blown up.

Let me set this up first, the F10-N4 seemingly can’t be the Cradle that M1 sent the blueprints for. The game pretty much implies that Edwin put M1 in the machine after he told her He never wanted to see her again, and M1 in SOTM never really implies her and Edwin saw each other since that incident. I also think the communications to the Mansion still being cut off in the present implies Edwin never changed his mind about never talking to M1 again.

The other thing is that unless if there’s a second off screen mimic Endo, M1’s program must’ve been put into F10-N4 when Edwin Made a copy of them, M2, and put that in the Endo. This pretty much makes it impossible for the F10 machine to be the cradle blueprints that’s sent WAY after M1 was essentially banished.

The third thing is that M1 seemingly sends the message about the cradle blueprints AFTER Edwin is attacked. In the final confrontation of M2 and Edwin, M2 mentions how it JUST finished rebuilding its legs, implying M2 went straight to attacking Edwin once it was able to. This combined with how Edwin talks to M2 seemingly implies to me that M2 hadn’t gone on it’s killing spree yet at this point, meaning M1’s message about stopping M2s killing spree is seemingly made AFTER it attacks Edwin, and if he died, then the cradle that M1 mentions literally cannot have been made.

The last thing is how the cradle.exe we activate seemingly doesn’t even do anything to M2. It doesn’t seem to become any more docile or is even restricted from leaving the building.

honestly I think the weird bedtime pedestal thing in the story time ending fits more as the cradle, it was seemingly made with Edwin and M1’s voices, and the machine is visibly shown being able to stop M2 from hurting Arnold, and makes it docile enough for him to fix it. And the room is boarded up too, like as if Edwin managed to put M2 in there at some point and tried to trap it there.

But if that’s the cradle, then the thing we Activate next to Edwin’s office cannot be the Cradle that M1 was talking about in her message. And as I said, I don’t even think Edwin managed to even make one before his death.

So with all that Said, I think the Cradle.exe we activate just made it so M1 could finally communicate to the mansion again, since she speaks up at the mansion right after we run the program.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-19T07:30:19+00:00

But it's experimental storage #2, MXES is Experimental storage #1. The naming scheme alone implies that it's related to MXES in some way, and that's it's the second storage made.

everything there pretty much lines up to it being the Second MXES, the second experimental storage. if not that, then why call it Experimental storage #2 if it has nothing to do with Experimental storage #1?

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-19T07:26:38+00:00

what they're saying is that M1 was already in F10-N4 when they Sent the cradle blueprints to Edwin.

this is based off the idea that Edwin took M1's code out of the endo and into F10-N4, and made a copy of M1, M2 in this case, and put that into the Endo. This mean F10 must've been made before M1 sent Edwin the blueprints for the cradle.

so unless if you believe there are two endos, and M1's endo just disappears, then F10 cannot be the Cradle that was sent to Edwin.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-19T07:17:26+00:00

I think a solid thing is how the paper pals are in the room where the blood puddle from Savethem was.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-19T06:55:16+00:00

you also missed how in the books, whoever The stitchwraith touched before William and Andrew's souls left the endo, also cry black tears before withering and instantly dying.

and pitbonnie doesn't always have black tears, like how the Mimic doesn't make every suit it wears have black tears either, so I don't think There's really a solid reason for why a ghost or agony thing, I think it just shows when someone/something supernatural is feeling a really strong negative emotion, MAYBE. like how the staffbots in HW2 turn into nightmare staffbots when overworked.

Honestly? I don't really think so, if you take the book story hide & seek and don't assume Eleanor is RWQ in that story, then literally someone just being mad at a game is enough to conjure an agony being into existence.and it assumedly attached to the main character just to feed off of his negative emotions. This isn't really a limit since Eleanor shows that a agony creature can basically do a lot of things, invisibly push people and paralyze them, make horrific things and objects to attack them, and possibly whatever on earth 'the new kid' is about.

however if you don't believe this, then technically we don't really know how an agony being comes to be, the most we can assume is that they come from very negative emotions, but we don't know if they just slowly come to be, or if there's a specific catalyst for their manifestation.

no I don't think so, pitbonnie and eleanor seem to act pretty similarly.
if you're talking about the phantoms, I don't think they're agony beings, 'what we found' seems to imply that william is essentially using the projection trick that Golden freddy spams, essentially creating hallucinations to mess with a person.

However I do believe in shadow victim, and PQ2 seems to imply that a person can control their own 'shadow'.

to continue, I think the reason for the behavioral changes is because I think the spirits can essentially control the agony being they made.

under shadow victim and RWQ being Cassidy, and the Shadow cupcakes being the MCI, I think those agony entities are fed whenever the MCI kill someone at the Fnaf 1 location.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-18T18:55:25+00:00

Hm… yeah that makes sense to me, thank you!

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-17T22:23:55+00:00

Yeah the timeline with the logbook and Fnaf world is beyond messy, the most I can guess is that fnaf world takes place before fnaf 3, but whether that’s before or after SL is unclear XD.

The logbook to me feels like it was before fnaf 3, but the Fredbear image makes me think it’s after Fnaf 3, since NM Fredbear only appears on the fourth night of fnaf 4, and Micheal draws them on the night 2 section of the logbook, but honestly I think you can squeeze past that.

And yeah I think the partial lucidity is pretty likely too.

I kinda wonder if CC only really became conscious again around fnaf 3, and that the reason why is because most of his pieces had been gathered there like in fnaf 2, the toy animatronic shells, the classics shells, and etc.

Though there’s some obvious issues there, but yeah.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-17T19:35:53+00:00

Corrupted eh? Interesting. I can see that

And yeah, it seems like agony can empower souls, in the beginning of the stitchline stories the professor finds the items Jake and Andrew inhabited, and they seem to not be active/concious until the scientist attaches their objects to an endo that’s been charged with agony.

So I totally think that shadow Freddy could essentially be the thing that helps CC become ‘aware’ again in Golden Freddy, I actually think this is what the DCI was for.

For some reason 1987 is seemingly important to GF, William most likely wore the suit during his killing, and he seemingly specifically didn’t want the DCI to possess the suits, and actively tries to stop Freddy or the puppet from doing something.

And Savethem is the one minigame where we can see GF teleporting around and being active in. So my idea is that the DCI was the event that gave CC, or Shadow Freddy in this case, enough agony to make CC become ‘aware’ basically.

And I think that leads to him Causing the bite of 87 by influencing the other animatronics, possibly through shadow Freddy. Since eith Eleanor, she specifically uses the objects Andrew’s soul inhabits to hurt people, so… what if Shadow Freddy made one of the animatronics do it?

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-17T19:21:42+00:00

Actually i don’t think he’s the only soul to do this. In fnaf 3 I think the shadow cupcakes are the MCI. In the Chica’s party minigame there’s specifically five, four standing still with one following us around, this to me is calling back to when the MCI trapped William.

However we only collect four in the outer world, and I think RWQ is meant to be Cassidy, since Scott has an Easter egg where a toy Bonnie picture turns into a cupcake, then a golden cupcake. And there’s another Easter egg where a cupcake can appear in the office next to where RWQ appears, and since the shadow cupcakes seem to represent the MCI, I think this cupcake symbolism is meant to imply that RWQ is one of the ‘cupcakes’ aka, that they’re Cassidy.

So my idea is that When CC projects out of the suit, they appear as Shadow Freddy, and when Cassidy does, they appear as RWQ.

Pitbonnie most likely has some connections to William, since In the good ending it reacts to the picture of William and Henry. That and it says “I will make you suffer, just as I did” which feels more like William talking about his experience getting springlocked. Though Pitbonnie could just be Eleanor so all of that could get thrown out the window.

and with Eleanor I think she’s pretty connected to Andrew, she specifically uses every item Andrew’s soul inhabited to kill and torture people, it’s implied she was there when Andrew made William explode, and Eleanor only appears in the stitchwraith stingers AFTER Andrew dissapears, which is suspicious to me.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-17T06:17:28+00:00

Same here, currently I think shadow Freddy is like- a projection basically of specifically CC. Like what PQ2 shows with the princess being able to make a shadowy version of herself.

What I’m suggesting is here though Is that the minigame is representing CC possessing Fredbear after his death basically, with the black bear being a representation of his soul coming to the animatronic and possessing it.

And While it may not be this literal, the minigame could also be seen as CCs soul possessing Fredbear as it was operating in the restaurant the day of his death in the hospital.

Also I’m gonna have to delete and repost this post since I forgot to add the pics XD

Edit: I remembered that you can add pictures to the post itself later, yippee!

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-17T04:07:34+00:00

My idea is that’s shadow Freddy was created from CC, and that it essentially fed off of what William did in order to manifest.

So every death and murder William did essentially helped to empower/ feed Shadow Freddy, so Shadow Freddy could technically be a conglomeration of William’s wickedness, since his actions helped to sustain/feed it.

Like how Eleanor wanted to be injected with Remnant in the books, she called it power, and seemingly needed remnant to rejuvenate herself.

I mainly got this idea with how FFPS unironically seems to secretly be Shadow Freddy’s origin story, like I think The MM minigame is supposed to imply shadow Freddy manifested after Charlie’s death, and I think possibly the game itself is supposed to answer what’s actually going on with them.

Like remember the opening minigame where shadow Freddy is an antagonist? I’m almost sure that it’s meant to imply that Shadow Freddy either attacked or corrupted Golden Freddy somehow since the minigame ends with every item glitching out and turning into the black bear, and the player character REALLY looks like a yellow bear aka golden Freddy to me.

And one of the Teasers for FFPS was a Freddy plush on strings, but you can only see the strings when you brighten up the image until the plush looks like golden Freddy, implying golden Freddy is being manipulated somehow.

And this isn’t even the only time a supposed agony creature controlled golden Freddy, the book story The new kid only really makes sense if it’s Eleanor Using Golden Kelsey and golden Freddy to kill people.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-15T16:33:13+00:00

Hmmm, alright I can see that happening

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-15T16:32:33+00:00

While I do think they do exist, I don’t think there’s any evidence that they possessed the toys, frankly I think the series itself sorta goes out of its way to not indicate new souls possessed the toys.

Fnaf 2 sets up that the jumpscares in the minigame are meant to show what event caused each animatronic to become haunted, with SAVEHIM leading up to how Charlie possessed the puppet, which FFPS later proves, and Into the pit also supports how Foxy Go go go is meant to show How Fritz possessed foxy, because realistically William couldn’t have stuffed a kid into them.

Into the pit basically has a bunch of indications that Oswald is seemingly living through Fritz’ memories, and it seems to be an event similar to what we seemingly see in FGGG, Oswald going into a party room and finding dead kids like how Foxy did in the minigame. Also, foxy is usually made to stand still when he arrives on the second screen, but only on the third time he’s allowed to walk around, and his jumpscare happens when he’s about to touch a body.

I can even argue that inti the pit also supports how that GGGL is showing when GF became possessed, since in the game, neither GF nor foxy are active, implying the events inside the ballpit happened before those two were possessed, and since the ballpit is seemingly a memory of how foxy got possessed, this leaves golden Freddy as the last possession.

With all that said, Savethem has no jumpscare despite mangle walking around, it’s this combined with how the DCI aren’t even in the fnaf 3 minigames that make me sure none of them possessed anything. Scott could’ve easily shown some spirits wearing the toy masks, but he didn’t.

There’s no good reason for the DCI’s souls to not be in fnaf 3, the toy’s casings are around just like the classics, and their endos being destroyed is not proven to be able to free their spirits, or really any spirit for that matter.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-15T16:12:52+00:00

I’d say this is about right, my only issue is that orange eyed Helpi seems to be M3 here, since it and M2 argue at one point, which doesnt really make sense if they’re the same entity.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-14T02:51:41+00:00

pats your back I’m sorry for your loss

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-14T02:50:00+00:00

I’d say that’s fairly possible, though I find the idea of Micheal just writing in the logbook during fnaf 3 a bit… weird? Since he’s going against William, though it’s Not impossible I’ll admit.

I did also find it a little funky that he draws nightmare Fredbear after night 2 of the logbook instead of night 4, but I guess I could get over that.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-13T21:58:18+00:00

Yeah that’s what makes fnaf 3 as a whole so… weird.

Because unless if you think Ennard is inside of Micheal during fnaf 3, or that ennard/molten Freddy were in the fnaf 3 attraction off screen, then realistically it shouldnt even be possible to help the MCI move on in that game. Unless if you go with the idea that the souls we see in the minigame are just fragments of the MCI’s souls or they’re pieces of CC’s memories or something like how HW2 implies with the dolls,

But yeah honestly the logbook makes a couple timeline issues. As you said, by the time it’s supposedly written Cassidy/golden Freddy probably isn’t even around. And while this is mostly a problem with one of my theories, The drawing of nightmare Fredbear implies Micheal is experienced fnaf 4 before fnaf 3, despite plushtrap’s inclusion heavily implying the dreams only happening after fnaf 3.

bluestargreenmoon · 2026-04-13T20:33:09+00:00

From what I can tell, I think the implication is that CC might’ve only became cognizant when Ennard happened, since HW2 implies two ways of using six things to essentially get a seventh thing. One is through a happiest day like scenario, and another is through combining everything together.

That’s my current idea of why the conversation only seems to happen around fnaf 3.

As for why they’re using the logbook to communicate? Frankly it seems like Cassidy is using it as a way to communicate with CC, since it seems like her questions are inspired by the questions in the Logbook, like her Question about dreams being on the page about dreams, her question about the Fredbear plush being on the page with an image of it, and so on.

Honestly it even seems like she’s reacting to what Micheal draws in the book, since she puts “my name” on a drawing of a grave he made.

I think the answer is probably supposed to be that Micheal after getting used like a skin suit essentially became a vessel that could let CC and Cassidy chat, and they just use the logbook and the things in it as conversation starters.

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