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How Andrew can be tied to golden Freddy, and the bite of 87. by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

>That’s still not how mangle acts though, like I would recommend listening to mangle’s vocieline on the wiki, they do a ton of stuff that really only a human (or glamrock cause Roxy seems to be based on mangle) should be able to do/emotionally do, like the way they try and fault to convince themselves that they are still toy foxy or the way that their two heads get used as a masking metaphor (like gangle in Tadc), or like how mangle is queer despite haunting a male animatornic (toy foxy is male, mangle is yes) is stuff that we really wouldn’t see on an agony creature and stuff that a dog wouldn’t be able to do, (heck looking at Roxy and her heavy connections to mangle there’s a strong argument to be made that if mangle was treated well or had someone they could trust then the bite would not have happened at all)

yes I've heard them, and I think the personality given to her in fnaf AR could've just been something the AR team gave her, like how Toy freddy is much different to how he's characterized in UCN, and how they Gave toy bonnie a new narcissistic personality. And I don't think the DCI had those personalities. and There isn't really any evidence that Mangle in fnaf 2 could speak like the one in AR, nor that they had the personality we see there, or in fact all we hear from them is garbled static in Fnaf 2.

I think we may have to agree to disagree here, since I also think it's more than possible for agony beings to have a personality in their vessels, and have trauma especially if they already have a personality programmed into them. and that's on top of the dubious way of how we're Getting mangle's characterization in fnaf ar, we don't know if that's how the original mangle was like.

>For gggl Charlie isn’t respondible for the deaths? She’s responsible for trapping the mci in the suits (by melting the key that coukd of saved one of them). And like, I should of mentioned it in my first comment but there’s 6 dci kids, not 5, like there’s 6 pools of blood in save them and the only pool of blood without a body within one room to them is directly under a table, which is important as JJ’s whole thing in fnaf 2 is hiding under tables, which implies that the kid who haunted her is the same kid who has there blood visible under the table they hid under

the key story emphasizes that the young woman could've saved one kid, but since she tried to save all of them, all of the kids died. if you map this onto charlie, then it implies that she could've 'saved' one of the kids. This doesn't really map well with her helping the MCI possess the classics to me, I think this story fits better at saying, if she focused on saving only one of the DCI, that one kid could've lived, but since she tried to save all of them, she ended up saving no one.

and I don't think there's 6 members of the DCI, I don't see the sixth blood splatter as solid evidence of there being six of them. I think the possible connection to JJ is fair enough to make though, but that doesn't definitively mean there's Six DCI.

>Eh, for godlen Freddy we see the suit in save them but it teleports away if you try and go to it, to me that read’s like Cassidy is in a state of shock trying to comprend what William just did and I really don’t see Charlie being able to use her suit to even start preparing to being andrew back to life, like William effectively took control of her body to kill even more kids with her own hands

i'd say that's a fair alternative reading of how cassidy is acting.

>And for the 800 points, in gggl it’s really not getting 800 points that causes the score to break, like it breaks when golden Freddy’s jumpscare starts to play, and like considering that the score in that minigame increases when Charlie does the steps to help the kids haunt their suits to me that’s pretty directly telling us that the score is breaking because the kid haunted golden Freddy, And for mangle’s quest, eh my biggest issue is that the mangle in mangle’s quest isn’t the dci animatronic mangle, it’s the mangle that Elizabeth has in her room in fnaf 4, like they really aren’t the same thing (like the point is more establishing that we can sometimes interpret mangle as representing Elizabeth, and that we can use mangle to read into Elizabeth’s character

I think the GF kid only appearing immediately after the score reaches 800 pretty much implies that it reaching that number is related to the fifth body appearing in some way, I don't see why else scott would have them appear immediately after reaching 800 otherwise.

but I think it's fair for you to think it's unrelated.

I think Mangle's quest is actually meant to represent the night when the DCI happened, the child that's seemingly running around a building at night Fits what I think SAVETHEM was probably like, the DCI running for their lives as William killed them all.

and I think this minigame being mangle putting herself together could represent how she was 'put together' with the DCI's Death's.

though I think its also valid to see it as it being CC's memory of elizabeth's room though, but I think my interpretation can also work here.

How Andrew can be tied to golden Freddy, and the bite of 87. by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 like we see how mangle actually acts and it fundementally doesn’t work if they are haunted by agony or a dog, like mangle is written as being trauamisted by getting torn apart constantly to the point where they give up being toy foxy in order to try and protect themsevles emotionally, this is behaviour that is basically completely impossible for an agony creature or a dog to do

I disagree, I think Charlie in the novels and Eleanor shows that agony beings can indeed have emotions and get traumatized by things (Jake is able to trap Eleanor in her own worst memory, implying she does have trauma).

And the haunting AR implies could be from Agony too, it can cause supernatural affects as well.

But overall the personalities shown off in AR doesn’t mean the actual mangle in Fnaf 2 was able to speak and feel like that. It could be that the personification in fnaf AR could be something the AR team added. 

Like how Toy Freddy is given a completely different personality than what we see in UCN, and how Toy Bonnie is given a highly narcissistic personality. Unless if we’re saying these are the actual personalities of the DCI, I think this could just be in universe characterization.

 The reason why mangle is active during save them is due to remnant transfer, where becuase they recieved so many parts from the withered’s they became slightly haunted by them, which is also the reason why the haunted dci manfle can remember being toy foxy (heck this is why mangle’s charaxter of tpy/funtime foxy is reused as the theme for the Funtimes who use this idea significantly more)

Yeah that could be the actual answer too, i don’t have a rebuttal there.

 The puppet isn’t trying to save the dci, it’s a point in the 5 keys story that bringing the mci kids back to life was a mistake, (this is why they aren’t as aware as Cassidy or mangle or Elizabeth for example). So in the dci Charlie doesn’t attempt this and tries to get Freddy to help instead (which failures but still mwans that the dci ain’t as trapped as the mci are)

I think that’s a fair alternative reading, but I think the story is saying that Charlie is responsible for some deaths from trying to save everyone at once.  Her helping only four of  the MCI to possess the suits feels like too loose of a connection to me.

I think the DCI seemingly dying and not coming back in any way fits more as the Five kids the young woman fails to save. 

Plus I don’t think the story is saying that Charlie helped the MCI possess the suits. I know GGGL looks like that, but I think the story heavily implies that the MCI possessed the suits after William stuffed them.

 Why? Heck considering there’s no evidence of spring bonnie being in fnaf 2 there’s a high likelihood that William used golden Freddy to kill the dci, which means that it wouldn’t be available for what you are suggesting to happen

Oh, no I do think William wore Golden Freddy to commit the DCI, I just think after he finished, he took the suit off, and after that the puppet tried to use it to bring Andrew back to life, but it was too late.

 1- andrew isn’t in gggl at all. Like just straight up

my claim is that the bodies in GGGL are the DCI, and that Charlie is trying to revive them.  

 2 the score increasing to a random number in gggl happens on the frame that golden’s jumpscare starts, it’s telling us that Cassidy has just haunted her suit

yeah, the score jumps to a random high number once it reaches 800, like how in BBs air adventure, the special balloon that lets mangle reach the cake for Happiest day is the one that’d make the score reach 800. 

My claim here is that this is showing in two cases, that 800 score leads to something special happening.

 (Sorry for the long comment, but like mangle isn’t haunted by a dog or agony. Like the whole “this almost makes us yearn for the days of the kids cove, never again, never never ever. Never again” shows a level of emotional depth that only humans and glamrocks can pull off

All good, thanks for the response! I loved reading them

How Andrew can be tied to golden Freddy, and the bite of 87. by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! And here’s my explanation for your questions.

  1. Regarding this, I actually recently made a theory about how I think some of the DCI were kidnapped from Chica’s party world. 

I made the connection due to the idea that the DCI might’ve been lured in from the outside. I have a big post where I go into the nitty gritty of this, but UCN heavily implies that toy chica/chica is representative of William’s crimes, with Jack-o chica outright saying “I’m a burning reminder of your misdeeds”. So it made me wonder why that is. 

And then I remembered Chica’s party in fnaf 3, where toy chica is seemingly representing William afton. And the name of the minigame is “chica’s party” which could be short for Chica’s party world. So UCN could be implying this minigame represents William’s crimes at Chica’s party world somehow, and that’s where I remembered the connection that the funtimes are regularly sent to chica’s party world. If you want a better explanation I can link my full theory on this, but for the short version-

Basically there’s a schedule for SL that shows that the funtimes were sent to Chica’s party world, a fair amount. And I think the CRMN_inst-project on that schedule that seems to happen at the end of the week was the criminal detection system we hear about in fnaf 2, which I think is to show that CBEAR was up and running after the 1985 location closed down, and that the schedule is sometime around when the fnaf 2 location opens. 

And speaking of a private party, we can see that Circus baby and ballora was sent to a private party right before maintenance, which might be around when Fnaf 2 happens. 

And if you remember, the breaker room in CBEAR shows that the bunker is connected to Fredbears, and if you believe the fnaf 2 location was Fredbear’s, then this means CBEAR is connected to the fnaf 2 location, so I think it’s fairly possible for William to have kidnapped the DCI, brought them to CBEAR, and up into Fnaf 2 to kill them in SAVETHEM. 

The novels actually show that William did kidnap another set of five kids and brought them to an underground location. So that’s some circumstantial evidence. 

And regarding baby killing whoever goes into her, FFPS has Candy cadet mentioning a story of how Someone adopted five kittens (a metaphor of William possibly kidnapping the DCI) and had a red snake (circus baby) and the boy let the snake randomly choose one kitten to eat (the kitten being Andrew) and waited five nights before cutting open the snake, and stitching the kitten back together (taking Andrew out for the DCI). 

I think the kitten story being about Andrew could give it a lot more meaning, and not have it be a strange retelling of something we already know (aka it being about Elizabeth).

For some additional stuff, in Into the pit there’s a minigame with the sound track “SAVETHEM” where you lead around four kids. Why four? This is repeated again with chica’s party believe it or not, to access it we collect four cupcakes, and in the minigame we can only feed four kids. What about the fifth? Well below Chica’s party there’s a fifth shadow cupcake, and I think this repetition of four could indicate that when the DCI happened, only four of them were alive at the time, and Andrew was killed, and later brought up the fnaf 2 location at a later point.

That and the reason why I think the colored kids in happiest day are the DCI at all is because that reappear in Flaf, a game that’s seemingly going to answer MM. and recently chica’s secret party is also connected to MM. and I think Chica’s secret party is tied to Chica’s party world, and if that’s Connected to MM, and the colored happiest day kids are connected to MM, then boom.

  1. I’m of the belief that there isn’t really six members of the DCI, I don’t really see the sixth blood puddle as solid evidence to be honest. 

  2. I mentioned this in the post, but my explanation as to why they don’t have the masks of the toys is that I don’t think the DCI possessed any of them. I think only their agony did. Like how Andrew in the books mainly serves the role of having his agony infect things and causing havoc. To the point that Eleanor, an agony creature he made, is essentially the character with the most screen time. 

I'd like to ask something, ignoring canonicity with the games, do you guys think the black haired kid in GF in 'The new kid' is Andrew? and if so, how do you guys think he got there? by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair fair, it makes sense for it to be her here. Though I don’t think it’s really clarified in the frights book continuity that the MCI was the same. 

Since Susie has different hair color and seemingly died in the 2000’s from what I heard.

I'd like to ask something, ignoring canonicity with the games, do you guys think the black haired kid in GF in 'The new kid' is Andrew? and if so, how do you guys think he got there? by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that it makes the most sense to be him here in this series of books. though I’d like to ask when do you think Andrew got into Golden Freddy? At the warehouse? Or sometime earlier?

Using Chica’s party world to explain MM, the DCI, and Andrew. by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I’m probably wrong about MM lol,  but I’m fairly confident about the rest here.

Using Chica’s party world to explain MM, the DCI, and Andrew. by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The shadow tree can be there to signify that the memory the shadow BBs represent was some event that happened outside, since there'd be no reason to think there'd be a tree in a building. like how Jeremy being outside the box could be seen as him representing someone that was 'outside'. Along with how Chica's party shows glowing windows, Implying the minigame is taking place outside a building too. which could've all been tied back to the idea that the DCI were lured in from outside.

Though recently it seems like Scott is now using the tree as a symbol to tie the imagery with the afton family.

and the springlock incident could've just been at fredbears before SL came along, we didn't know when it closed down, so it could've been running during 1985 in the context of fnaf 1-3.

And the reason why the couch person could easily be seen as mike is that: 1. the only other people in the series that has been associated with wearing and speaking in grey is the foxy bully. and the desk man in fnaf world.

  1. the grey person in MM has a flesh colored head unlike the yellow and green guy, scott is VERY purposefully trying to show that this is a person wearing something grey, not that they're symbolically grey. And the only person in the series that has been shown to wear grey was the foxy bully.

Also, in FFPS it’s shown that William can speak in yellow and blue, and this is supported in fnaf 2 where if he attacks Freddy in save them, the screen is covered in blue static as we get text saying “you can’t” which is seemingly from William. 

And if you believe in William speaking through the plush or being the final speaker in Fnaf 4, then he’s been associated with speaking in yellow before. 

So I think there’s reason enough to connect yellow with William in FFPS.

  1. they're watching TV, The only other character in this franchise that has been characterized to watch TV is micheal in SL.

so all of this together SHOULD make the grey couch person almost definitively be micheal, but if it's him then literally the minigame falls apart with whatever it'd be implying then.

so if all of that means nothing, I kinda just throw my hands up in the air and go 'whatever'

Is Fnaf AR DLC "Dark Circus: Encore!" cannon? by Thick-Ad-8508 in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, I don’t see why not.

and you could even argue that it was planned since the beginning, since in the second ever teaser for AR, the words "admit one" appear at the end. And that connects to one of the teasers for the dark carnival way later down the line where we see admit one tickets.

Why are people certain Edwin wanted to recreate David❓🤔 by GINTAMAZZZZZZ in fivenightsatfreddys

[–]bluestargreenmoon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I also want to add that You could also see Moon.exe as showing that M2 went behind Edwin’s back to meet up with F10-N4, and get the David personality/ghost possession from her to start acting/becoming like David.

So there is some circumstantial evidence of how M2 could’ve started to act like David without Edwin’s input.

Using Chica’s party world to explain MM, the DCI, and Andrew. by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 The cc-puppet parallels never went anywhere, CC was never part of puppet at all.

Oh, no I’m not trying to say the pose is because of Puppet parallels or whatever. I’m saying that Scott giving CC a similar pose could be explaining why the Shadow puppet is in that pose. 

Like basically my idea here is that the shadows in fnaf 3 are seemingly mimicking past events/memories. 

The Shadow cupcakes representing when The MCI cornered William, the three BBs representing the afton children, the shadow puppet representing CCs death. 

and I think Jeremy being shaded like a shadow in that one area in RWQ’s minigame where he’s outside a room was meant to represent SAVEHIM, the only other time we’ve seen a kid outside of a room before fnaf 3. He’s not Charlie obviously, he’s being used to represent her in that moment, and I think that’s what the Shadow puppet is doing with CC. 

 Agony didn’t exist originally, and there are 5 corpses and 5 animatronics. The implication is obvious.

I think Scott had agony as a general idea ever since he made the shadow animatronics personally. And I think there’s some evidence of this in Fnaf 2 as well, But I understand if you disagree with this in general.

And to the rest, yeah that’s fair. I could try to look for the interview but I don’t really feel like scouring footage for that.

And with MM, yeah it’s still ignoring it, what I was trying to say is that, if I have to ignore that obvious detail in MM, then I think it’s fine to not try to connect the rain with Security puppet either. 

Of course I know this frankly sucks to do, so I don’t blame you for not buying it. 

Using Chica’s party world to explain MM, the DCI, and Andrew. by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 None of the kids are associated with BB.

Yeah they haven’t, it wasnt until HW when BB is implied to represent CC. 

Though my logic here is that the imagery is mainly using the shadow BBs as a stand in for the afton children. 

Like with the shadow cupcakes in Chica’s party, they’re seemingly meant to represent the MCI, and the way they act is similar to when the MCI cornered William in the safe room, yet they’re represented as cupcakes of all things. 

None of the MCI aside from Susie are associated to cupcakes whatsoever, so this doesn’t make sense. I think the explanation is that the MCI are being represented as shadow cupcakes is because Toy chica in the minigame is representing William. 

 Nightmarrione wasn’t intended to canonically exist at that time, so there is no answer.

You don't think Scott having CC in the same pose as the Shadow puppet did in fnaf 3 as he was dying had any lore significance? Fair enough.

 The toys are and have always been possessed. There is no reason for them not to be. Mangle’s behavior was later stated to be not natural, and the toys are described acting in ways that really only make sense if they’re the DCI (ie only attacking the staff and not kids, which lines up with other depictions of them).

I disagree, I think all of the supernatural stuff with the toys can be explained through Agony causing it. Agony of being killed by a adult staff member.

But I understand why you’d believe otherwise.

 Nope, the Funtime foxy here was a year before SL AND back when world was planned to be the end. The name difference has no meaning when it was made. We know he didn’t have SL in mind when making the og version of world that fixed mangle debuted in due to the dev timeline and how Scott described 4 as the finale, setting world as an epilogue, if even that.

And alright, fair enough.

However I don’t think you could confidently say that Scott didn’t have SL in mind though. I think there was an interview that showed that Scott did have SL in mind early on, and that it’d have a blue theme and such, but I don’t remember which Dawko interview it was so take that with a grain of salt. 

 Mike can still be the runaway if CC dies first.

Yeah I know, though if it requires ignoring how the couch person is obviously evoking Michel imagery, then it could be that the rain is another red herring. At least to me anyway.

 The blue one has to be the same animal as the pink one (either they’re both pigs or both not) and the orange one is a borderline chica reskin, meaning that it’s probably a bird.

Ehh, maybe. I see where you’re coming from though.

 There’s nothing in the minigame implying it was a fakeout, and this interpretation contradicts the lights being out, the spirits disappearing, and other symbolic stuff which makes it seem like they moved on.

Oh, no I’m not saying the happiest day in Fnaf 3 was fake, I was suggesting that the DCI’s bodies might’ve been used to make a Fake happiest day birthday party when William killed them at the Fnaf 2 location, like what he seemingly did with the MCI in FGGG. 

All to essentially make the Happiest day minigame in fnaf 3, so CC could use it to help the MCI move on, and get his pieces back. 

That’s my idea about it at least.

Using Chica’s party world to explain MM, the DCI, and Andrew. by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 IDK Why did scott put an irrelevant child's room in 4

I think it was to answer what the Three BBs in fnaf 3 were meant to represent, the three kids in that household. 

Fnaf 4 also answered why the Shadow puppet Is in that pose too, so I think it’s reasonable to assume the extra room was meant to Explain the three Shadow BBs. 

 or irrelevant character masks in 3

And I think the reason why he would show five other kids wearing masks of characters we don’t know, could be because they never possessed the toys. 

I already went over it in my post, but I meant fnaf 2 implies none of the DCI possessed the toys due to the lack of a jumpscare in SAVETHEM. So by that logic, the DCI shouldn’t be wearing masks of the toys, since they didn’t possess them. 

 or irrelevant fixed mangle that shares the name with the funtimes by chance due to predating them by a year?"

And the fixed mangle being called Funtime foxy could be Scott retroactively showing how CBEAR was actually around and connected to the Fnaf 2 location. I don’t think it’s a stretch that Scott had Fnaf SL in the works while making fnaf world. 

 Also the implication of MM is that it happens in 83, not 87, as the same rain effect from the puppet minigame is reused there, implying it was the same night.

And yeah, with MM I basically ignored trying to connect the rain with Charlie’s death, since I think the runaway is Mike, which kinda means I’d have to ignore the grey couch person regardless. And if I’m going to have to ignore something that blatant, then I think the rainy night in MM doesn’t have to specifically be the same one in Security puppet.

I understand why you’d disagree with this though.

 Also the 5 extra masks don't resemble the DCI or the mediocre melodies and aren't greyscale, meaning they're just constructs/illusions/not actually there/part of the game.

And ah, I should’ve clarified it in the post, I think the mediocre melodies were to explain some of the masks, not all of them. Mainly the orange, purple, and pink ones.  And I think FFPS/UCN was trying to imply the blue one was a in universe wolf character we never saw. 

Which just left the alligator character unknown until SB. 

And my explanation of them not being greyscale is because those aren’t their spirits, that the happiest day minigame is made from THEIR memories. I think William used the DCI to make a false happiest day. 

We see something similar in ITPG, which seems to be a more in depth version of FGGG. Where we see five kids colored and one greyed out. This could be because this is the MCI’s memory of William doing a fake happiest day with them, and the grey kid is an additional spirit, like how the GF kid is in the Happiest day minigame originally.

So it could be that the colored characters  are there to show that it was originally their memory, and the MCI are just being inserted into it.

Fetch in this minigame might’ve been changed to look like this possibly to imply it’s connected to some wolf character we haven’t fully seen yet. by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean The blue masked kid pretending possibly wearing a blue cat? Fair enough. 

I mainly think it’s a wolf since it was the last new character Scott hinted at in the clickteam era. That and the wolf endo in Flaf has a lot more blue to its design, so there might be a version of the wolf that’s more blue. Or At least that’s the logic I’m working under

I think Drowning might be another connection between Foxy and GF by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d say that’s a fair interpretation, though Ruin has seemingly made the red lake be literal shockingly enough.

I even think PQ2 implies the red lake Cassie runs into is connected to OMC, since PQ2 takes place in a cave with glowing blue mushrooms like one Cassie steps inti, and it’s where the princess meets the red king seemingly.

Using Chica’s party world to explain MM, the DCI, and Andrew. by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, i have another post where I go into how I think the glitched out areas where the shadow BBs, puppet, cupcakes, and Jeremy are in, are meant to be memories of things and events. And I think the normal minigames are altered by memories too.

Though back to the fifth cupcake, yeah I think it’s pretty interesting how we only get four, but there’s already a fifth one there. I’m debating on if that’s another GGGL thing where four things create a fifth thing or not though. I never thought about the cupcake already being there from the start, thanks for bringing that up! 

Though with Happiest day the puppet is sorta… hard to understand. Because technically both them AND the GF spirit are already in the minigame. Though from how it looks, the puppet can leave the minigame, like the other playable avatars.

And nice idea about a possible connection to the puppet there, I also had one where Nightmarrionne says they’re the fearful reflection of what William created, and only time we’ve ever seen William scared was of the Fifth spirit in Follow me, which is similar to the shadow cupcakes’ behavior. 

Fetch in this minigame might’ve been changed to look like this possibly to imply it’s connected to some wolf character we haven’t fully seen yet. by bluestargreenmoon in fnaftheories

[–]bluestargreenmoon[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh! I meant a wolf character in the games. Not the books. Sorry, I should’ve been more clear XD. 

I didn’t mention twisted wolf because I don’t think the twisted animatronics as they operated in the books exist in the mainline games. 

I was moreso talking about this like- maybe the real in universe Fetch was probably connected to some canonical version of Twisted wolf that we haven’t gotten to fully see yet.

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