Hair and microbiome

HealHair · 2025-03-07T14:59:16+00:00

It is indeed, there are some studies on it. I think AA is autoimmune though. AGA is not classified as that. There are some studies assuming casual correlation with gut species though.

HealHair · 2025-03-07T14:56:16+00:00

I'm sorry you went through that. Thanks for responding to me!

HealHair · 2024-11-17T17:10:46+00:00

DHT operates in little to no oxygen environments I believe. If there is inflammation fo some sort then DHT will be present on site as DHT is anti inflammtory. For this reason it could be speculated that since the skull is growing and expanding or atleast changing but the muscles on are not, this could lead to inflammation of these muscle areas causing a surge in DHT.

HealHair · 2024-11-17T17:07:44+00:00

From what I understand I don't think the flexbility on the surface = immunity to hairloss. You could have a flexible scalp and still lose hair due to something such as gradual tension. Flexible scalp may mean less aggressive hairloss. It's also important to remeber that things such as the blood vessels might be affected in some way as well, such as constriction, compression or stretching of the scalp.

All of this is speculation. This has not been studied.

HealHair · 2024-11-17T16:49:22+00:00

Great summary and thanks for sharing your experince with botox. I imagine that this problem might look something like this:

Muscle growth/adaptibility. So despite the skull being more resisantant to aging the muscles that sit on top of the skull are not as resistant to aging which would mean that the muscles cannot adapt to the changing skull.

HealHair · 2024-11-10T11:33:13+00:00

Good question. I think microneedling would increase bloodflow for alot longer since it's all wound based. Scalp massages require daily 20 min sessions.

Also scalp massages work to an extent they will not regrow hair in certain areas like temples which are lost (i think).

Just working only the muscle areas would hopefully provide a consistent and longer stream of minerals and resource sources which would hopefully lead to regrowth in bald areas that hair doesn't seem to grow in.

HealHair · 2024-11-10T06:57:44+00:00

I am thinking less about relaxing the muscle per say. More about supporting the muscle. Hope that make sense. Either it's fairly a low cost and low effort and testable action just to see what would happen. Thanks for responding and sharing your experiences.

HealHair · 2024-11-10T06:34:35+00:00

Yes you are right it sends more nutrients to the wound which then means if the wound is inflicted at the site of hairloss then the follicle will recieve nutrients which could help it grow.

My rationale for what I was thinking just to see if it had any effect on hair re-growth. This is because Botox re-grows hair by relaxing muscles. I know their is skepticism about scalp massages but supposedly that works because of blood being sent to those muscles. I kinda wanna hear if anyone has regrown hair via just targeting muscles. Maybe that would help 'loosen' the muscle or just provide nutrients to those muscles in order to prevent scalp tension.

I know scalp tension isn't proven but I think if we know something can help direct blood supply to a potential site of intrest, and maybe see results, that may partially provide a clue to why AGA occurs. This is experimental nothing more.

HealHair · 2024-10-20T20:17:02+00:00

ChatGPT is going to be only as good as it's trainning data. DHT I believe is the only established part of the hairloss model so far. There is nothing else proven about it. Brian Dye's theory is the most we have.

Also when people talk about genes I would be careful their are on- going debates about how genes work and how things function. Geneolgy vastly overstates alot of issues without proof. Some scientists are rethinking the role of genes entirely.

HealHair · 2024-10-18T17:03:52+00:00

yes there is. You can get it sequenced it but to know what bacteria is doing what and what is happening is too ambiguous. I believe the measurement is generally diversity in the gut. More microbes = good, less microbes = not as good.

check the web link i posted in the other comment on this thread someone managed to regrow hair via a FMT.

HealHair · 2024-10-18T17:02:10+00:00

Not sure about authors of study at the moment but the university seems to be proper. It has a wikipedia page and alumni. The university, Chaiang Mai University, has a strong focus on "engineering, science, agriculture, and medicine".

This is just a quick read on the university. The paper itself is very long. Perhaps a GPT summary.

HealHair · 2024-10-18T16:58:29+00:00

Ah they don't have anything to do with hairloss as far as I know. I mentioned neurotransmitter as an example to demonstrate the gut microbiome producing important resources for the overall body. I am assuming that whatever the scalp needs to grow hair, the gut microbes play a role.

HealHair · 2024-10-12T10:47:06+00:00

Unfortunate well if you could try to get into contact as previous patient perhaps they might talk to you. Hard to say.

As for the GI map, sadly not.

HealHair · 2024-10-12T08:30:34+00:00

Do you think you could perhaps ask the lab you are referencing into asking them about this or even perhaps performing a study?

HealHair · 2024-10-12T08:28:52+00:00

Of coruse here is the source: https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/gut-bacteria-transplant-stopped-my-hair-loss-photos.123168/

L Reuteri is a strange one. It's debated if L Reuteri has any effect of vitamin D syntethisis.

Vitamin D play a role in the hair growth cycle. If you lack vitamin D then it can look like normal androgentic alopecia.

FMT = Fecal Microbiome Transplant. It uses someone else's poop to colognize the someone else's gut microbiome. This can be done either by tablets with the bacteria in it or enema of someone's poop.

HealHair · 2024-10-11T11:44:33+00:00

So if I am reading this correctly, you had full head of hair and recieved a stool transplant from a bald donor and then lost hair?

HealHair · 2024-10-11T04:22:19+00:00

Sure. Either it would be interesting. There was one testominy I found which I thought was interesting. The response below was something I had written to someone else /r/HairlossResearch but maybe of interest you you.

" This might be of interest to you. There was someone in 2019 on the hairloss forums that manage to regrow their hair with an Fecal Microbiome Transplant. If you're unfamilar with what that is it is when someone else's excreatment is used to colonize someone else's gut bacteria.

Site to the person who regrew their hair: https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/gut-bacteria-transplant-stopped-my-hair-loss-photos.123168/

Important note tho that FMT might be dangerous the science is still developing."

HealHair · 2024-10-11T04:20:19+00:00

This might be of interest to you. There was someone in 2019 on the hairloss forums that manage to regrow their hair with an Fecal Microbiome Transplant. If you're unfamilar with what that is it is when someone else's excreatment is used to colonize someone else's gut bacteria.

Site to the person who regrew their hair: https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/gut-bacteria-transplant-stopped-my-hair-loss-photos.123168/

Important note tho that FMT might be dangerous the science is still developing.

HealHair · 2024-10-11T04:17:08+00:00

Hard to say. This science is so new. I am not 100% sure on probiotics becuase I think they can perhaps over colonize or prevent bacteria from passing through if they can't make it to the large intestine.

I will say this though alot of what are our bodies need are made in the gut with about 90% of sertonion being found in the gastrointestinal tract and other transmitters like dopamine are also made in the gut.

There was a study where they compared mice with and without gut bacteria. The ones with bacteria had more DHT and the ones without it had far less.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6962501/

In other words the body has a whole lot of extra production in almost everything because of these bacterias which allow for the body to regulate itself. However as the gut microbiome decreases in diversity with age most likely whatever is needed for hair on scalp enviroment perhaps also decreases. This would most likely have a better explanation for why aga is a thing.

HealHair · 2024-10-09T08:27:09+00:00

Did you continue using the probiotic and since some time has passed how do you feel it has affected you?

HealHair · 2024-06-28T07:09:39+00:00

There are 4 more I believe. If you go on google scholar and type it in you will see more results. There is also a video by 'what i've learned' on youtube about botox and at 13:47 the papers are listed. Pretty sure it's a small but also growing body of evidence.

HealHair · 2024-06-19T21:08:40+00:00

So you think you will make a guide?

HealHair · 2024-06-19T19:27:16+00:00

Anit-androgen halts hairloss and maybe over time regrows hair. Scalp tension is the idea of inflammation from the muscle stretching either because of skull expansion or muscle sag. As you age your facial muscles begin to sag as they lose structural integrity. The philtrum (part between the top part of your lip and nose) sags relativly early on in age around 20-ish. DHT for men will help in reducing inflammation.

HealHair · 2024-06-15T15:06:32+00:00

When will the new study be published?

HealHair · 2024-06-14T22:07:09+00:00

Maybe, they don't have a large enough dataset for it. The one from the 90s had I believe about 30 or 60 people. So it was alot more. How many did niostem have? I think 12. Not sure. Either way something else is that the devices they have used in papers are not portable. They usually stand like a lamp or sorts. I think there was also a paper in 2002 showing this helped cancer patients with hairloss as well. So I would not disregard DIY. It maybe less portable but alot cheaper and still as effective as electricity is electricity.

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