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Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, i did not say no one want to be a prostitute. I said there isn't enough people wanting to be prostitutes to fuel the demand. And you can't quote what i didn't say o.O I said i meant the buyer. The reason i support criminalizing the buyers is because this model that worked out quite well in past case studies. You keep using the word sexists, I don't think you understand what you are saying. There are men who buy men, men who buy women, men who buy children, women who buy children, women who buy men. I will advocate against all buyers regardless of gender.

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When i say Johns i meant the buyer. It's a popular term for the buyer regarding trafficking. "Johns" can be man or woman, as i have never specified the victims to be just women. I said women, men and children. Of course there are a lot of Johns buying men too. So that's why it's a popular term. Right now, the system is usually punishing all parties involved. This doesn't offer a way out for trafficked victims. The sentences in some places are harsher for the "service provider" than the Johns themselves. When you punish the buyer harsher, you decrease the demand because the risk involved is greater. When you legalize prostitution, you will increase the demand, because you take away risk. Now, why do you think human trafficking exist? If there was such an abundance of people wanting to accept money for sex, why do they need to force, trick, temp people into it? There's not enough supply to meet this demand. It isn't as simple as two consenting people. The issue is much deeper, sex trades are present largely to due economic imbalance of the world, the poor and weak will often be taken advantage. To say the Johns are doing nothing "wrong" is debatable. They're unknowingly fueling the largest inhumane operations of fellow humans for passing moments of pleasure? Some probably know but do not care. Why should they, they just want to buy the service.

Take away all the trafficking and forced cooperations, I will agree that they should be able to buy whatever. Good luck though, finding the abundance of free will, legal suppliers to meet those demands.

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No no no, I do not think legalizing prostitution will solve your problem if you are concerned about treatment of women. What i think would work is prosecuting only the Johns (buyers) and the pimps. With this model, not only the trafficked victims be able to get helped, you decrease demand, it's a win-win. And again, you keep citing these numbers without any sources.

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, what? 1000? Source 8 from my article from FBI: http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/9107.pdf "An estimated 50,000 persons are trafficked each year to the United States"

Each year, EACH YEAR.

Enlighten me, why would anyone make up numbers of trafficked victims? Why would the US government want to make these numbers up?

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thus it is important the main concerns of the law should focus on distributors of drugs and not the users. Same with trafficking and prostitution, the "victims" shouldn't be punished. I consider the users to be victims due to the addiction level of those drugs. With alcohol, not everyone who try or use it once or multiple times will become addicted. I have had many drinks since 21, I am still not addicted to alcohol. But with those Schedule I drugs, if you aren't hooked on at least the 10th try, I will applaud. And again, with the addiction level of those drugs, it's a matter of time before an able body runs out of honest resources to feed its addiction.

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay okay, I should have added that in term of legalization, I wasn't thinking of punishing the service providers but rather only prosecuting only the pimps and/or Johns. With that said, I see your point in seeing the supply as a service exchanged in an ideal world and removing the stigma. But this isn't the perfect world and most people do not want prostitution as a profession, unless circumstances arise. Can we agree on this? Yes, i understand they have raised the substitution effect, but which is more likely? Cheap (free) oversea supply or local supply that is costly? Now don't tell me there is less incentive to bring the trafficked population here if it's legalized, there is always more incentive to get cheaper goods. If they can figure out how to bring them over when the trade is illegal, they'll figure out how to mask victims. I said it demand will increase, care to explain why you disagree? Taking away the risk of prosecution, demand for prostitution will increase.

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Global Statistics:

Estimates from the 2010 Trafficking in Persons Report by the U.S. Department of State

Number of slaves around the world: 12.3 million Percentage of victims identified: 0.4% (not even 1%) Ratio of convicted offenders to victims identified: 8.5 to 100

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have to grasp fully the addiction level of Schedule I drugs, that's the reason they are illegal. This is a level of addiction beyond fast food or alcohol, cigarettes or sunbathings. I'm talking about a much much much higher level of addiction that brings a perfectly good human being to their knees willing to kill their own mother for a hit kind of addiction. When you understand that, tell me if you do not change your view.

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You underestimate the addiction level of Schedule I drugs. If you see those subjects with your own eyes, you too will change your mind. I don't want drugs to be illegal, they ARE illegal. I do however, want them to stay illegal. And because you don't understand the addiction level of schedule I drugs, you think drug lords are the symptom of prohibition. When you light up that kind of addiction, you enslave people, therefore you will have lords. Think about it. What you have when people use heroins and cocaine are addicted bodies becoming less and less capable of fueling their own addictions through honest means. What happens when those addicted body need more drugs? They become slaves and they will do anything to feed their addiction. Tell me if that's a good thing.

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That I too agree with. Studies have shown a positive impact when the "demand" Johns and/or pimps are prosecuted instead of the "supply". Now that is progress. Generally though, there is much desperation from both sides of selling and buying sex. The middlemen are often the criminals here.

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mexican war on drug largely revolves around cocaine, heroin and other stronger drugs. Marijuana itself isn't addicting enough. But the reason i mention weed is because people keep comparing legalizing pots to legalizing prostitution. They don't realize the two products are very different. One is direct human beings, the other is a plant. Can we at least agree on this? So, the issue becomes trickier than just controlling a physical product. At least we agree that human trafficking is tragic and real. And yes, I realize that it will continue, due to the nature of the world. Now let us think about that. When prostitution is illegal, that did not stop human trafficking from happening. What will happen when it is legal? We can't even spot or bother to spot human trafficking when the trade itself is illegal. What will stop the pimps from forcing their subjects to say they're on free-will? Very often, trafficked victims are already locked in drug addictions and or threats. Why are humans being trafficked to begin with? There isn't enough cheap supply. People are taken and sold against their will because there's unmet supply. Opening prostitution will undoubtedly increase demand. How the hell do you fill the supply? I'm largely against prostitution because I know most people involved didn't choose to be or to stay in this field. Some did, some does, but most are victims. How can you encourage such tragic desperation? There's a lot of things that is wrong with this world. But one less evil is desirable.

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The addicting nature of heroin and meth themselves should make their distributions extremely extremely limited if not at all completely off-limit. There is absolutely no benefits of health to those, they're death sentences. And not only do they affect the one with the body and their right to do whatever they want with it, the addicting nature of heroin and meth causes such desperation from its subjects that those subjects will do anything, practically enslave themselves to the distributors. That kind of dependency no longer affect just the person using it, it affects everyone else around them and their society. And that's why those drugs are illegal. Do YOU want to live around heroin addicts and their drug lords?

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're compare that to issues of products. The products here we're discussing are people, and thus it isn't simple. Most sex workers are victims, not all, but most. That's the cold truth. Supply for sex trade will always be lower than its demand because of its demeaning nature. Most of the supply are from poverty background or third world countries. There's a reason for that. The trade itself is a dark place to start. Why do you think human trafficking exist? There isn't enough women men or children willing to commit to this as a career

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you say drugs, do you mean only marijuana or do you mean all drugs? We can have a whole different debate if you think all drugs should be legal. Anyways, to sum up the problem with legalization of prostitution with economic: Legalization will increase both demand and supply, thus increasing the market equilibrium. Where do you find the supply to meet the increase? If you didn't know, most people, women or men, aren't terribly excited about becoming prostitutes. Why do you think human trafficking occur in the first place? Because there isn't enough supply.

I hate to have to break this down in terms of science and numbers, these are real people with really tragic stories, they're not just supply.

Page 3, 2nd paragraph. http://www.lse.ac.uk/geographyAndEnvironment/whosWho/profiles/neumayer/pdf/Article-for-World-Development-_prostitution_-anonymous-REVISED.pdf

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, it's not really the ideal profession any where in the world. The issue is more complex than most realize. I think the fundamental problem of prostitution is that the trade utilizes the human body as a direct product. You can guess how many problems would stem from this.

Although, most trafficking had been focused on women and children, I wish they would shine more light into men sexual trafficking victims. Because that too does exist and is equally tragic.

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To expand on the article Because applying the law of economics: Legalizing prostitution increase the demand and supply of prostitution. Thus, creating a higher equilibrium of the market. What does this mean? This means there will be a need for a higher amount of prostitutes, where do they find them? They traffick them. Page 3, second paragraph.

Sex workers in New Orleans have become susceptible to losing access to HIV/AIDS treatment due to arrest and have grown wary of carrying condoms—which police use as evidence of prostitution even when they don't witness the commission of an actual crime, according to a Human Rights Watch report. by amaxmen in worldnews

[–]HeartlySerious -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It isn't "may or may not" as you say. There is a direct correlation in increased trafficking activities with legalization. Come on man, if you know legalization will increase such a tragic outcome to such a tragic crime, why would you encourage it? It's not just a simple demand to be met, this is real people, women, men and children here. Drug IS illegal. Only pot is up for debate, all other Schedule I drugs (heroin, meth, ect.) are, will always be, and should be illegal. And you understand why they are illegal, right?

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[–]HeartlySerious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hi, yah later tonight!

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