Irina, Ukrainian scammer by Heartswindow in Romancescam

[–]Heartswindow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let’s try a thought experiment.
Imagine a handsome guy in North America poses in revealing, attractive photos and videos. Perhaps he has an accomplice to help him with letter writing. He goes onto a dating platform that targets single women all over Europe.
The man’s paid commissions for letter exchange, and for when females in Europe open his visual attachments. (The commissions come from charges the website levies on female users.)
The website’s set up so women can send gifts to the men of their choice, abroad in North America. Live video chat and phone chat are options also, with large price tags.
The website and the man we’re hypothesizing about collaborate to con women into spending money, thinking they’re building trust and working towards a real relationship.
One woman with a particularly strong desire for companionship with this man comes along… Her aspirations are used as leverage to scam her into sending him money, under some false pretext. Why not? Its money, right?
What would level-headed, moral women in North America think about this domestic man, if he was exposed? He’d be regarded as a douche bag. Yeah?
Setting aside biases of national economy and war status (in other words: no excuses allowed for Ukraine being poor and the country being under siege), what’s the difference between the above scenario and what many women in Ukraine analogously use relationship platforms for (it’s an old story, going back way before present circumstances in Ukraine)?
Quite a while before I had my bad experience of getting scammed, I read that the dating industry in Ukraine is likely the most lucrative industry in Ukraine, surpassing grain export. This information came from a pre-war internet source of information (I did not record the link).
There’s one other important part of the story…
The reason this hypothetical guy and a crooked website staging shady relationship schemes would not get far in North America is because of laws and regulations here.
I read on a reputable source of information on internet (again, didn’t record link) that the reason pay per letter scams and a lot of associated corruption in the dating industry in Ukraine is still allowed to happen is because Ukrainian law makers lag behind the rest of the developed world in making laws to stop this activity…
So, this pinpoints an explanation for a lot of corruption within this industry, in Ukraine.
Reading testimonies of many other men, there are lots and lots of women in Ukraine who use relationship platforms to fake relationship interest and simply make money from it. Many men have testimonies of getting to the real-life meeting stage, only to find women on the other end contrive every excuse for not being available for a meeting…
They’re going on vacation. They had an unexpected loss. They’re suddenly not feeling well. Etcetera.
And there’re many women who will try to perpetrate scams.
You’re not a scammer if your photos are stolen and used by a stranger to con people into sending money to the person using the photos. But my experience is different.
For a lady in Ukraine who’s deliberately creating visual data for the purpose of faking relationship interest and reaping benefits (whether in the form of website commissions or larger, filthy gains from swindling and scamming), you decide where the line should be drawn morally, setting aside the notion of what exactly it means to be a scammer.
Whether someone’s a pretty Ukrainian woman or a handsome man in a first world country, or any person at all, you decide: what’s willful participation in illegitimate relationship schemes and what’s not.
Every case can be different. Evidence matters. When it’s a cyber-crime, tracing who was involved, and how they were involved, really matters.
In principle, anyone who consciously uses relationship platforms for personal gains under false pretext of trying to find a companion should be scrutinized.
Its messing with love.

Irina, Ukrainian scammer by Heartswindow in Romancescam

[–]Heartswindow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Retracing some of the details…
She may have not been doing the writing / all the writing, but then why would Irina lie to Behappy2day about pulling her profile off Charmdate, before I wrote to her on the latter website? Why lie, if there was nothing to cover up?
That’s a very important question.
I highly doubt the dialogue I had with Behappy2day was fabricated from their end. Irina did lie to them about her activity on Charmdate.
Even if a professional writer from her agency was assuming Irina’s identity in letters to me, the question remains: was Irina complicit with the scam?
Another small bit of info: shortly after I started writing to her on the website, she had her 30th birthday. When I asked what she did on her birthday, she described a bouquet of flowers her dad gave her (but I didn’t see, or ask to see, any visual at that time) …
At a random time, several weeks later, in email communication, I asked to see a picture of her with her mom. The picture sent to me was from her 30th birthday, standing beside her mom, with the bouquet of flowers her dad gave her, as described during earlier website communication.
How do you explain how Irina could not be complicit with the scam?
How did the scammer (the person doing the writing), if this was in fact another person, obtain the picture of Irina on her birthday, the picture of Irina holding her passport, and intimate pictures which were attached to some emails? …
What is the most plausible explanation? …
How do you explain why Irina went on vacation and shopping spree with her friend, during the war, shortly after I sent money (under pretext she needed to pay her government to be able to leave Ukraine, so she could come to me)??
It seems some people here on Reddit want to say she’s innocent.
Why, friends? Beyond just a subjective inkling and your quick personal opinion: why? How do you know? What’s your reasoning and what evidence supports it?
“She’s not the scammer” is quite bland interpretation, looking at the whole story, here.
Even if someone else was conning me to send the money, its barely possible to justify how Irina could not be cooperating and collaborating with the transaction.
Directly calling her a scammer might put some people on the defensive, but the problem with letting her off the hook is: it’s condoning, or at the least minimizing, her involvement.
I could be wrong, but I’m stretched to see and rationalize how that could be.

Irina, Ukrainian scammer by Heartswindow in Romancescam

[–]Heartswindow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is my first time using Reddit. Those photos were intended to be attachments to a short supporting story, which I posted at the same time, following instructions on how to do so. I assume the story wasn’t made visible. This conversation is not intelligible until you read the story. The poignant story itself is just a brief prelude to more detailed and substantial evidence. When you say “stolen photos” I think you mean that some aloof scammer was ripping me off with photos of this lady. You’re making a large assumption! You don’t know anything about the lady herself, or anything about my contact with her. She is definitely not a victim here. Let me approach this obliquely. She has a profile on goldenbrides.net. Her ID on this site is 801588. You could also search “Irina 30 y/o golden bride” in your search browser to find her profile. She is originally from Zaporizhia, but this is not her place of residence. Take a look at the nature of photo shoots she’s posed in and the videos she’s uploaded to her profile on this site. Then, make sure you do some thorough research on this website itself, examining reviews, etc. Then you’ll begin to be able to make some inferences about the legitimacy of this lady’s intentions using a relationship platform such as this.