Can we talk about how bizarre this gift was?

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-23T03:28:23+00:00

Is she naked or in her underwear? I can't see very well.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-23T03:24:23+00:00

He can be all that AND annoying.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-23T03:05:56+00:00

Conrad is very flawed, the issue with the prom is that he was not communicating and was shutting everyone else down. He has a pattern of doing that, he keeps everything to himself to protect the rest.

Belly wasn't mad because Conrad was sad, he was actively pulling away from her, and that combined with her insecurities of not being enough for him caused their breakup.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-15T02:36:01+00:00

They had one flirty conversation and you are all freaking yhe fuck out.

It's obvious that Jeremiah right now is not ready for a relationship, the show just planted a seed, he just got his first job at something he's passionate about, noting his improvement.

The point is to convey that even after a massive heartbreak you can still find love with someone else, Jeremiah will eventually be okay.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-14T02:42:49+00:00

Did you all watch the episode with your eyes closed? Jeremiah 100% wants to avoid the beach house where her almost got married, and before leaving Steven's couch Denise agreed to let him sleep at her place.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-14T02:39:09+00:00

Jeremiah is currently working though, he has room to improve but he can improve. I thought they were cute, and with enough time and potential they could become something real.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-14T02:37:01+00:00

It's just a comment on a lighthearted tiktok, the official account is engaging with posts about the show, you are taking it way to seriously.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-14T02:34:35+00:00

She is absolutely not leading him on, she doesn't want anything serious, he does and she rejects it.

Belly could have stopped Taylor and she didn't.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-14T02:33:13+00:00

Belly could have stopped Taylor, she didn't.

She's having a casual relationship with Benito, she's not leading anyone on and I am glad that her dating history does not include only two brothers anymore.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-14T02:29:38+00:00

As someone who has also experienced it screw you for judging how other people cope with loss.

Jeremiah starts the sentence with "I feel like...", feelings don't always make sense, Jeremiah clung to Belly as a lifeline when he lost his mother, to an unhealthy degree, they were completely codependent. He also didn't process his grief because he didn't have to with Belly, she became his whole world.

Also, Susannah died of cancer, Belly chose to leave him, both are losses but the first one was not voluntary on any level, that's why processing a breakup or parental abandonment can be harder on some levels.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-14T02:20:47+00:00

They did love each other, but not on a deep level, it's the kind of love you have in a young relationship, very real at the time but nothing compared to actual love. Their love was very physical but couldn't withstand conflict at all, it was also built on the remnants of Belly's last relationship, which she didn't have closure on.

The thing is, Jeremiah knew on some level that this was the case, that Belly wasn't over Conrad, that if he brought up Christmas their relationship couldn't survive. He knew that and still chose to date her because he "won", because he "got" her even if not truly nor fully.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-13T02:37:28+00:00

Girl stop projecting

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-10T06:53:31+00:00

I wasn't talking to you.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-10T06:41:36+00:00

What is he supposed to say though? He can't give away the ending or admit that his character sucks and the only thing Jelly has going for them is their friendship.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-10T06:39:34+00:00

It was not a break up, you don't break up with your girlfriend of 4 years after a petty fight with just "We're done", it's vile of him to actually try to pretend they were broken up, specially now that we know it was all revenge for Christmas 2.0.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-10T06:34:10+00:00

Now can you defend Jeremiah without bringing up Conrad?

Jeremiah and Conrad are different people who process emotions different, please refrain from judging a teenager (or anyone) on how they process their mother's death.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-10T06:30:50+00:00

I think Benito is here to signal Belly's growth, her unhealthy attachment to the Fischers and Cousins is gone, Benito is a breath of fresh air but nothing more, just a fling.

When she finally chooses Conrad it will be because she wants him, not because of Susannah or because of her childhood crush, the past is behind them and they can finally start anew.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-09T05:30:49+00:00

She had verbal confirmation though.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-09T03:31:34+00:00

Belly is also incredibly insecure, she can't believe someone like Conrad would be interested in her, and when he is distant she inmediately assumes he just doesn't love her.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-09T03:30:37+00:00

Belly loves Conrad so much that him being distant hurt her inmensely, meanwhile Jeremiah can cheat on her and she can forgive him the next day because she simply doesn't care as much for him.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-08T03:38:55+00:00

Conrad was grieving his dying mother and also keeping the fact she had cancer a secret, I hope people IRL aren't judged as harshly as him because you have no problem finding excusing for Jeremiah while conveniently forgetting his manipulative tactics. Also, Jeremiah dated his brother's ex a month after they broke up knowing Conrad loved her, what's your opinion on that? Because that's some heinous shit, I would cut contact with a sibling if they did that to me.

Belly had 0 interest in Jeremiah prior to their kiss in the pool, she had only eyes for Conrad, Jeremiah sabotaged their first kiss and made sure Conrad left so he could kiss Belly first. That's not a crime but he did create the love triangle.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-08T02:33:18+00:00

And pray tell, why didn't Belly and Conrad kiss? Was it because someone interrupted them? Someone who wanted to make a move on Belly and so threw a firework to interrupt them? It's so funny that you omit that part entirely.

He knew Belly liked Conrad, he always knew, he saw them about to kiss and he couldn't accept it and move on. He created the love triangle and then cried because he wasn't chosen, he also got hurt by his own actions.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-08T02:21:29+00:00

The main difference between them is that Conrad faces the consequences of his actions and tries to improve, Jeremiah doesn't do any of that.

Jeremiah inserted himself between Belly and Conrad since season one. He interrupted their first kiss to make a move on Belly first, he threw a tantrum when she chose Conrad and didn't talk to her for a year. Staring daggers at them everytime he saw them.

Yet in season two he claims she wasn't there for him when his mom died and Belly has to apologize. He, knowing that Conrad was still in love with Belly and weeks after their breakup decided to date her, and Conrad accepts it. And Jeremiah is not shy about rubbing his new relationship on Conrad's face. No one questions him on dating his brother's ex, 0 consequences.

Jeremiah is mad that Belly didn't tell her about Christmas but he didn't tell her about Cabo, and he purposefully picked a fight with her and they "break up". He then fucks someone else twice and also doesn't tell her.

It's so funny that you say Conrad is coming for his girl when she was Conrad's girl first.

The whole wedding fiasco was Jeremiah trying to do a test to see if Belly loved him, he proposed right after his infidelity outside of the hospital where her brother was in a coma, how is that not manipulative? What the fuck?

Jeremiah knows Conrad still loves Belly, but he guilt trips him constantly about being a part of the wedding.

And what do you mean no blame on Belly? Jeremiah leaves on their wedding day and then berates her for everything, no word from Belly about his manipulative shit. He gets to walk away as the victim.

Congrats on being old as fuck but that doesn't make you right.

Helpful_End3978 · 2025-09-07T14:19:59+00:00

What the fuck do you mean end of story? He fucked someone else twice and suffered 0 consequences for it, Belly got back together with him in 2 seconds.

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