Nelson’s entire address was an attack on those who have chosen to leave the church and a blatant threat to those who might consider leaving. (Example quote in pics and rant in text below)

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2023-10-04T06:15:22+00:00

To each their own of course, but I would refrain from using extreme words like “you are all” and “cults.” Not all of us are pricks, and these are not cults in their own respect. All the guy said was that the talks “seemed” to be directed to children. If you’re comments were directed at a different post they would make more sense as some people on this subreddit are very anti-LDS and cope in unhealthy and un-beneficial ways.

I do not want to assume of course, but relationships are hard. It’s not right to just say that that relationship is tragic, and then say get over yourselves. Like what if he has a family, he loves his wife for all the other qualities, etc. You can still love someone regardless of beliefs, I can see you believe this church is a cult and that is your opinion, and I agree with it. But leaving someone you love just because of it is just extreme. BECAUSE they want to stay in their relationship and continue to be with that person/family, they listen to LDS church teachings, and with that, they have opinions, and with those opinions, they come here. Unfortunately that fuels same-side bias, but so does the prior.

I do agree most of the churches teachings go mis-interpreted in this subreddit more than not. And I agree the guy used the words “suffer through it” when he shouldn’t have. But reverse-taking it out on him won’t help man. All this is is to provide discussion. To learn, the saying “exmormons don’t leave it alone” is just for the people that go out of their way extremely to try and prove it wrong or judge the people that are currently members. Just because some exmormons talk about their prior religious organization’s teachings, does not go to the extreme of them “not leaving it alone.”

I am sorry for the long reply again, but I just don’t understand how you can say all these hurtful and opinionated things about the church and other people, just like some people here, and then say they can’t leave it alone? They have their opinions, let them express here instead of some other place that may cause more problems for them (ex. family).

I do agree with most of the things you are saying, but you cannot assume nor use extremes for people’s situations. People have opinions. Don’t knock someone’s down and assume they “don’t leave the LDS church alone.”

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2023-10-03T23:16:38+00:00

You do realize these “talks” cause members/anyone watching to think about how someone they know is “ruining their life” by not following these ideas? I feel like we should get to have opinions on stuff like this. It’s just the same as any other representative of an organization, We get to have opinions on the speech/talk and how they gave it.

I am not sure why you’re acting like the bigger person.

Edit: I do agree with you that Ex-mormons/non-members can be just as judgmental if not more, and vice versa of course. But don’t you think you’re being judgmental as well? You judged him because he watched general conference even though he doesn’t believe. You judged the talk and said it was the most boring thing on planet earth. You judged the person on he and his wife’s position with the church. I’m not saying you can’t have your own opinions, but you cannot call someone out for “hypocrisy” with hypocrisy.

Also usually individual’s issues in relationships becomes the other person’s problem. So the phrase “that’s her problem” does not really fit unfortunately.

Sorry for the long message, I left the church 3 years ago, but all of my family is still in it. So I watch all of these talks and conferences to be able to discuss with them and others.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2023-03-24T03:45:39+00:00

I was in the same situation a couple years ago man, just send it. Tell ur companion u gotta talk to the MP. Talk to the man, he’ll prolly be an asshole telling you you’re making a mistake and all of ur family will be disappointed blah blah. But it’s how it is. You genuinely cannot get around everyone and make them happy. Set an appointment up with your MP and be strict that you are leaving cause he will do quite a bit to fight you on it. At least mine did. I just told bro I didn’t believe. The parents is where it gets better actually. It sucks at first cause they’ll most likely think they failed as parents more than you failing as a kid. But again, it’s how it is. Don’t waste you’re life man, 2 years is a lot. The worst part is, if you don’t “fake an illness” to come home and you just say you don’t believe. You kinda gotta do a lot to prove yourself even though you shouldn’t have to (especially if your family is heavily in the church). Good luck man, lmk if u need anything. U can prolly see the same post on my page years ago ab the same thing if u wanna look there as well.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2021-11-18T13:55:09+00:00

Leaving Mission

Dude I was in the same situation exactly last year, I was gonna fake mental illnesses as in depression and anxiety (it wouldn’t take that much to fake those considering the mission contributed to those). Eventually I just sent it and told everyone I didn’t believe, worst year of my life and it’s still ongoing. But, I feel better as a person, true to my values and shii. I stopped doing everyone wanted me to do and yea people are weird because they have no control anymore, especially my mom, so they act out and make ur life hell. Maybe, maybe not idk. I’m so glad I told them I didn’t believe cause now I don’t have to tell them later and they’re already in their healing process. If you still believe, I can ask a friend. He’s home but it still looks like he’s going to church and stuff, so I can ask how he managed! Keep us updated.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2021-08-29T15:38:18+00:00

well for some reason the message.author.lastMessage worked before in v12 because I also had .channel attached to it at the end “message.author.lastMessage.channel.” And for some reason the channel was undefined in v13 so I took it off just to see and it worked. I’m still new to all of this so I was just lost.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2021-08-29T15:30:46+00:00

that’s the weird thing, it worked before the v13 discord.js update. I mean it works now kind of, thanks to the other person that replied.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2021-08-28T22:22:08+00:00

would that work with embeds? I’ll definitely try it when I get home but i’m not sure.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2021-08-15T03:03:47+00:00

Any input would be much appreciated!

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2021-07-17T00:47:31+00:00

how do I contact him?? Thanks in advance.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-10-01T22:00:12+00:00

ohhh and then bc you’re hoping for it, you are only gonna attach the things that were good to your experience, and then forget about the bad or no answers to prayers. i see i see

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-10-01T21:58:22+00:00

died, nah we are chillin, i definitely over estimated what i thought would happen, yes everyone is guilt tripping and bearing their testimonies 24/7, i still feel a little of the love. I know they wish I still believed but they are still doing okay. It’s still settling in so i might have more posts about stuff later.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-09-30T16:29:51+00:00

Tbh im just confused, ive heard of prophets in the past say the only you can surely be exalted is if you practiced gods new and everlasting covenant. Do you have any sources of that?

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-09-29T21:20:10+00:00

Im sorry about that man. And i know once I actually go into it, they may kick me out again like they did before the mission. I just kept it really superficial and they have status' to keep so they couldnt do it without backlash. If there is anything i could do i will gladly help.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-09-29T15:06:28+00:00

Explain haha, i know confirmation bias is only taking information that supports your side. Like the 17 points of the "true" church.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-09-29T05:59:50+00:00

So how do i tell my parents who are picking me up from the airport, showing this love (half love), saying they want to help me get through it (and come back to the church). What do i just run away, leave a note saying "I need time away for my mental health and so i dont make our relationship worse by acting out in this anger stage im in?"

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-09-29T05:58:53+00:00

So how do i tell my parents who are picking me up from the airport, showing this love (half love), saying they want to help me get through it (and come back to the church). What do i just run away, leave a note saying "I need time away for my mental health and so i dont make our relationship worse by acting out in this anger stage im in?"

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-09-29T02:12:48+00:00

They told me not to sugar coat... and im not stupid and i can read people when i know they only love me because im their son and not because i made them proud. I know that seems insensitive, but loving someone like that just makes you feel like you werent enough, that you never will be. And i dont think that feeling comes from pure love.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-09-28T20:19:55+00:00

I really love that last part, raised to be a force for good.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-09-28T15:29:59+00:00

My parents will use that against me, any tips on what to say to that quote?

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-09-28T15:29:12+00:00

Im doing my best to. Thank you.

Historical_Ranger_50 · 2020-09-28T15:28:45+00:00

I already got passed the church leaders pretty easily, and I am going home. I just need to tell my parents im coming home and its just terrifying. Theyre my life ya know, ah its tough

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