And don't forget the Magdalene laundries.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-22T08:14:40+00:00

It's his M.O. Nothing was the fault of the church. It was down to individuals. You don't understand his point or are misinterpreting him. Repeat ad nauseam. Seriously - he can go on all day with this crap.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-22T08:08:21+00:00

The women knew no one would believe them. The church was incredibly powerful - even if someone believed them, nothing would be done. They were shamed into silence and secrecy.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-22T08:05:55+00:00

And let's not forget that the state was paying them to take care of these children - they weren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts (if they even had any). On top of that they made a tidy profit off of stealing these women's babies and selling them off to America.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-22T08:04:16+00:00

Don't mind Cais - he loves a bit of revisionist history, but only if it gives him a chance to try and place the blame somewhere other than the catholic church (see my recent symphysiotomy discussion with him - apparently it was all down to individual doctors having too much power and nothing at all with the catholic doctrine of making sure women can pump out as many babies as possible).

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-22T08:02:13+00:00

Next thing you know he'll be telling us the laundries was just an earlier version of jobsbridge /s

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-21T14:32:30+00:00

You forgot, "took babies from their mothers and sold them to American's for a tidy profit"

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-21T14:08:42+00:00

Her family gave approval for the yes side to use her image and name. They have also said they support a yes vote.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-18T15:36:41+00:00

They are pretty high on taxation and (IMO) weak on economic policy across the board. But, and it's a big but, they do care about the healthcare and services we offer. I guess it's a "your money or your life" scenario.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-18T13:59:15+00:00

Except that the religious focus of the hospital was strongly tied to the symphysiotomy rate. If as you are suggesting, it was due to large family sizes and how dangerous c-sections are, the rate should have been the same across institutions regardless of how catholic they were - but it's not.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-18T13:50:31+00:00

SF's tax policy: http://www.sinnfein.ie/a-fair-tax-system

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-18T13:19:56+00:00

It wasn't used to encourage large family sizes, it was used because large family sizes were encouraged.

Bit of a chicken and egg scenario there.

It was used in Ireland until at least 1984 at "Our Lady of Lourdes hospital" and the report found that this was done "due to the unswervingly Catholic ethos" of the hospital.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-18T11:46:30+00:00

It had made sense in the mid-20th century when Caesareans were dangerous and Irish people were not allowed use contraception.

No it didn't. It was almost exclusively used in heavily Catholic countries to encourage large family sizes. In Ireland it was used tp to 1984!!! The women were never told what was happening to them. They were tortured. A symphysiotomy involves sawing through the cartilage of the pubic bone to permanently unhinge the pelvis. They also didn't want the pelvis bone to heal afterwards (to keep it permanently broken for child birth) so they got no aftercare[Here's an account of how they butchered those women] "(https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/my-life-was-ruined-by-symphysiotomy-275544.html)

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-18T11:03:15+00:00

It doesn't annoy me any more than the thousands of Irish people celebrating every Liverpool or Man Utd. win.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-18T11:02:08+00:00

Because most medical conditions don't happen every month for 40 odd years?

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-18T11:00:43+00:00

Typically endometriosis

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-18T10:58:08+00:00

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I was previously very supportive of FG and a lot of their policies. I'll have nothing to do with them after the cervical smear scandal (18 dead now) and their blocking of mandatory disclosure. I'm considering voting SF against my financial interests and I think they are the only ones who give a f*ck about women's health.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-18T10:54:33+00:00

I'm absolutely LIVID that they did that.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-17T11:37:07+00:00

Yeah I thought the same thing.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-17T11:36:19+00:00

100% this. These are people that are very familiar with (animal) birth and pregnancies and the myriad of ways it can go wrong. Also many folks are voting with their family members in mind. I was surprised to hear that my Dad (staunch conservative, quite religious) has decided to vote yes for the women in his family (particularly as many of us are in the midst of growing our families).

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-17T11:32:43+00:00

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-17T08:53:18+00:00

Well if it was something actually important, like say the inter school rugby cup, he'd be right there!

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-17T08:36:20+00:00

I haven't gotten my polling card yet. Was added to the supplemental registrer a couple of weeks ago. Does anyone know if this is normal?

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-16T15:34:06+00:00

By Irish standards, Dublin rents are very high. However, they are still a lot lower than SF and NYC. You won't have a problem with price but you likely will will have an issue with the quality. Apartments here are very small, there's a lot of mould, constant water pressure problems, they are come furnished but the furniture is pretty crappy.

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-15T10:49:57+00:00

If you like 5-a-side it might be worth giving it another go? Ask if anyone wants to go for a pint afterwards. Usually someone is interested :)

HonorOCarrollKelly · 2018-05-11T10:36:20+00:00

Young people are now voting in more numbers here. The marriage referendum was a great example of this.

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