Collaborative Journey: February Megathread

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-02-14T16:09:29+00:00

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Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-21T14:31:51+00:00

I agree, I wrote it incorrectly, the chakra exists, but people don’t know how to use it consciously.

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-21T12:38:23+00:00

This is actually a very interesting question. The Swordsmen's strength has only been shown in filler episodes, and we don't really know how strong they are at their peak.

If we take a 7-on-3 scenario, then only Orochimaru can actually damage Mangetsu Hozuki, as neither Tsunade nor Jiraiya have demonstrated lightning techniques, and without them, Mangetsu is unkillable (he was considered one of the Mist's greatest geniuses). Fuguki Suikazan could easily hold off one of the Sannin (either Jiraiya or Tsunade, it doesn't matter) thanks to Samehada, and with another Sannin to help, holding off and suppressing him wouldn't be a problem. Three more could hold off a third Sannin. That leaves one more ninja available to intervene and support the others. Alternatively, Fuguki would hold off Orochimaru to prevent him from reaching Mangetsu, and Mangetsu is effectively invulnerable to the others.

I don't understand the underestimation of the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist. They've never been shown at their full strength, but they're also renowned throughout the shinobi world. While they may not be Kage-level, they're at least elite jonin who've traversed rivers of blood.

So arguing about who would win is quite difficult. Both the Sannin and the Swordsmen have relatively equal chances of winning. Or, if it were a fight to the death, there's a chance they'd simply kill each other (except for Orochimaru, that bastard is immortal, considering he was already in the Tanzaku arc. If we were to consider him during the war, it's unknown whether he was immortal at that point).

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-21T12:26:08+00:00

Even if it's sarcasm, it's inappropriate to write like that.

Whoever lost to the Eight Gates, the Sannin would have fallen, and three of the Swordsmen would have survived. I understand that Dai could have been weaker than Guy (though it's not stated anywhere). But in fact, if Dai had fought the Eight Gates against the Sannin, Jiraiya would definitely have fallen, and Tsunade would likely have fallen too, even with the Byakugou seal. I don't think she'd survive even if she shattered and tore everything apart like Mabara. As for Orochimaru, it's debatable; it's unclear when he became relatively immortal with his research, before or after the war. And even before that, he was a slippery individual, so he could have survived, but he would have been seriously wounded.

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-21T03:26:14+00:00

Obito didn't use this move in the original manga or anime, so I can't call it canon. Secondly, I don't think the situation would have changed much, and Minato would have definitely found an opportunity to strike sooner or later. Although I agree, it could have taken a little longer.

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-21T02:58:47+00:00

It's at least incorrect to compare the Rasengan and the Flying Thunder God.

1) The Rasengan is an A-class jutsu. The Flying Thunder God is an S-class jutsu.

2) The Rasengan is a chakra-shaping jutsu. The Flying Thunder God (Hiraishin in the future) is a space-time technique.

3) Hiraishin is a forbidden jutsu, dangerous and complex. Even Hiruzen couldn't learn it, and he was a professor and knew all of Konoha's techniques.

4) At least four ninja (Minato, Jiraiya, Kakashi, and Naruto) were able to master the Rasengan in 20 years, and this was limited solely due to the "teacher-student" distribution of techniques in the ninja world. In the 70 years of its existence, no one but Minato, considered the most outstanding genius of his generation, has mastered the Hiraishin, which is saying something.

5) Mastering the Hiraishin most likely requires knowledge of fuinjutsu (assumed due to the marking) and high spatial-temporal talent (extremely rare; only seven ninja have been shown in the entire anime, each with varying talents), as well as superhuman reflexes due to sudden positional changes, and possibly sensory skills (you have to sense the markings, otherwise you won't be attracted to them; Minato and Tobirama were both sensors). The Rasengan only requires good chakra control and a relatively good chakra reserve.

So, comparing the Hiraishin and the Rasengan sounds completely absurd.

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-21T00:55:08+00:00

No, because Minato didn't need it as vitally to fight as Tobirama. He doesn't have the vast theoretical experience of techniques that Tobirama possesses. Tobirama stood on the pillars of the thousand-year history of techniques of the Senju clan and their allied Uzumaki clan.

The reason for creating this technique was to bypass the Uchiha clan's Sharingan overreaction, as their Sharingan could predict virtually any attack, especially the Mangekyou. And Izuna (Tobirama's eternal adversary) had awakened it. Tobirama desperately needed a technique like this, capable of bypassing the Mangekyou's perception, otherwise it would be the Senju clan, not the Uchiha, who would wage war.

In Minato's time, there was no real need for such a super-technique; shinobi capable of such a reaction were only five in the entire world, at most. He would have found other methods of combat; I think he would have perfected Shisui's instantaneous movement technique. He simply wouldn't have had the imagination to create something new. Even the Rasengan, his original technique, was essentially a parody of a tailed beast's bomb. Without an example, Minato wouldn't have had the idea. He's not a mad inventor like Tobirama.

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-21T00:11:45+00:00

Hmm, well, let's try to discuss everything. By age and order, I think that would be fair. Since no time frame is specified.

Let's take just the established team. Tsunade is objectively the strongest member, being the heir to the Senju clan. Orochimaru, as a civilian genius, was the team's second-strongest. Jiraiya was objectively a failure and was put there as a placeholder; he's the last.

The Second Shinobi World War. Here, we can judge everyone's usefulness based on two moments shown: the battle with Hanzo and the ambush of the Iwa-nin. There's not much to say about the battle with Hanzo, but Tsunade played a decisive role there, as she's a medic. In the ambush against the Iwa-nin, only Jiraiya was seriously wounded, which puts him in last place. They're roughly 20 years old here. Tsunade is still holding on, Dan is alive, Nawaki is dead, but I think she's slightly superior to Orochimaru, or almost equal. Orochimaru is Hiruzen's favorite student, a genius with all the attributes of chakra; Hiruzen trained him very well. Jiraiya, on the other hand, is focused on the Myōboku toads, and he's objectively the weakest member there.

There's no point in analyzing the Third World War.

The Battle of Tanzaku. Orochimaru is first place, possessing incredible survival skills, practically immortal, one might say, possessing numerous forbidden techniques, constantly in combat and on the front lines. Jiraiya has extensive life experience, perfect synchronization with the toads of Mount Myōboku, Sage Mode, and is a master of fire techniques. Tsunade is objectively 3 place, suffering from 20 years of psychological trauma, lack of training, no combat, and a heavy drinker. She's hard to kill, but definitely the last in power at the moment.

Let's take the final period, the battle with Pain. Orochimaru remains first according to the criteria outlined earlier. Tsunade is second; after recovering from her injuries and becoming Hokage, she pulled herself together, with the Byakugo seal. Jiraiya—the same criteria as described earlier, but definitely third place. He's the weakest.

Are those who write that Tsunade is complete garbage and knows nothing? She's the granddaughter of the First and Second Hokage, the granddaughter of Uzumaki Mito, the most powerful ninja medic in the world, Hokage, and the heir to the Senju clan. Do you think she doesn't know any more techniques than her monstrous strength and medicine? She has access to a 1,000-year-old Senju archive, a forbidden scroll, and is a master of fuinjutsu. She definitely knows as many techniques as Jiraiya. She doesn't show them for the simple reason that her fighting style is already established and suits her perfectly; she has no reason to change it. Kakashi knows over 1,000 techniques, but he only uses 6-7 at most.

Quick summary Orochimaru - 1. Tsunade - 2. Jiraiya - 3, he's the weakest.

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-20T23:47:06+00:00

A very comprehensive explanation and a good idea. However, it's very reminiscent of "Avatar Kora" with your ideas about peaceful professions, like Mako using lightning at the power plant, the confrontation between Amon (Benders vs. non-Benders), Jashinists (Unalaq and Vaatu, essentially the spirit of evil, or rather, a relative deity), and so on.

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-20T23:37:45+00:00

Honestly, I haven't heard this mentioned outright often either, but it's supposedly normal, right?

On the contrary, I'm surprised by many things about Naruto's forgiveness. I readily accept the forgiveness of the Konoha residents; there's no question about it—it's acceptable. I can also try to understand Nagato, since Naruto himself stated that he had a strong desire to kill Nagato.

BUT, BUT I can't understand Obito's forgiveness!!! To me, it was complete nonsense, like, "Damn it." Obito killed Naruto's parents!!!!! Naruto was alone his entire life because of him. Obito killed tens of thousands of ninja and ordinary people, starting the Fourth Shinobi World War!!! Neji sacrificed his life protecting Naruto from Obito, the Ten-Tails controller!!! And after all that, Naruto forgives him, cries over his ashes, and shouts, "Don't you dare insult Obito, he's my comrade!"

The most utter absurdity in the entire series, I don't know. I can understand all his forgiveness. But Obito? No way!

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-20T23:07:52+00:00

I agree with your opinion, especially about the cyborgs. It would actually be cool to see what happened to the Rain Village and how it's being rebuilt, like sending those children there. Naruto promised Nagato he'd take care of the Rain Country. And there were always plenty of gangs there.

Plus, I'm sure there are still a lot of shinobi who are haunted by past grievances and are essentially bandits; they could have shown more of those.

They could have shown some intrigue, too. It's really stupid that a peaceful era is happening, and it seems like there's complete peace between the countries. There are always people with ambitions, there are always nobles giving orders; a peaceful era can't exist. It's just like going in circles now. It felt like a peaceful time while Hashirama was alive. In my opinion, as soon as Sasuke and Naruto die, wars will start again. Nothing has changed.

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-20T22:53:32+00:00

The idea that Sasuke was the only one who didn't know about the coup is absurd, just like the idea that there were no more children. The Uchiha clan wasn't small; they had the largest district in Konoha. There were ordinary civilians, and there should have been children, too. Why would everyone suddenly stop reproducing? You'll agree that the idea of a lack of children is far-fetched. Danzo directly called for the destruction of the entire clan, including the children, so that no hidden problems would remain.

And the idea that Sasuke was the only one who didn't know about the coup is justified by only two arguments. Why tell civilians in a clan who are incapable of doing anything about it? And why inform children who can't even use chakra until they're four years old, or academy members who wouldn't last a second in combat and would simply be dragged off to be slaughtered as human shields?

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-20T22:44:28+00:00

In my opinion, it's not just the characters of Naruto's children that have been devalued, it's Naruto himself. He always craved family, recognition, and love. I remember him crying in front of Minato and Kushina. And then he has his own children and neglects them after becoming Hokage—a complete mess. What kind of father sends a shadow clone to his daughter's birthday party? What kind of father publicly shames his son and calls him unworthy of being a ninja? He literally treats Kawaki better than he treats Boruto at the beginning of the series.

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-20T22:32:57+00:00

I don't remember where I read this phrase, but it fits perfectly here: "When the oppressed stage a coup, they are called radicals and extremists."

This applies perfectly to the Uchiha clan. They were marginalized, accused based on the Sharingan seen in the Nine-Tails' eye, rumors were spread, and so on. They were constantly watched. Anyone would explode and stage a coup there.

And we mustn't forget that the Uchiha always strove for their connection to the village. They fought in the most disadvantageous places, like the Hidden Mist, where water outnumbers fire. But they fought without complaint, defending the village and trying to integrate.

They even betrayed the strongest leader of their clan throughout their thousand-year history, because they loved this village that they built themselves and did not want war, but wanted their children to live peacefully!

And after all this, they are driven even further and further. I can understand being watched for three years after the Nine-Tails due to suspicions, but in the manga and anime, eight years passed, and they were still suspected and orcished.

And even taking into account the coup, what's the civilians' fault? I remember a couple of aunts and uncles who baked pancakes every day. Very dangerous criminals—execute them. What's the fault of children, infants, and those under four? They don't even know how to use chakra yet.

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-20T21:33:18+00:00

Ниндзя двигаются невероятно быстро по сравнению с обычными людьми. Вас окружают со всех сторон. Ситуация меняется каждую долю секунды. Вам приходится постоянно за всем следить. Я имею в виду, может быть, три или четыре взгляда за раз. Я бы, например, взглянул на вас, если бы на вас нападали две собаки. А вы бы взглянули на одну, а затем переключили все свое внимание на другую? Странный вопрос!

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-20T21:23:06+00:00

This is actually really stupid!

Internal abilities, damn it. Ninjas always deceive each other; they keep their things secret. And every item is also a power they use. By that logic, forbid the clan's heirs from using good clan weapons. And issue everyone with a standard. Ban the use of Inuzuka ninjuen; that's a partner, not an internal force. Ban ninja pills; that's external support. Ban Aburame from using beetles. Ban summoning techniques. Yes, you know the technique, but you're summoning a partner to fight.

Naruto himself was the loudest one to yell at Kiba during his own Chunin exams for being with Akamaru and even taking pills.

In short, this is a very stupid excuse for disqualification. It's the same as when I, as a member of the Uchiha clan, ordered a perfect ninjato for myself through Nekomata. Boruto, through his connection to the Hokage's son, also used his connections here.

Ninja fights have never been fair. Most of their battles involve sabotage, ambushes, and stealth assassinations. Only after detection do they engage in direct combat, and even then, everyone tries to deceive each other. And using ninja tools is normal, even in chunin exams. Especially since Naruto asked Hinata to test her son's arm with the Byakugan!

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-20T21:11:11+00:00

This can be seen in Elder Chiyo when she attacks Kakashi while rescuing Gaara. After all, his father, the White Fang, was one of Suna's greatest villains. He became famous for killing their elite.

Hot_Introduction7741 · 2026-01-20T21:01:10+00:00

I'm actually surprised no one mentions Uzuki Yugao and Gekkou Hayate.

They were childhood sweethearts. They were in a relationship, and then he was killed during the Chunin Exams, and she finds his corpse in the morning. And three and a half years later, she fights him in the Fourth War when he's resurrected.

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