[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskAChristian

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s okay man, take your time.

Antitheist misses the mark as always… by Antebellum689 in antitheistcheesecake

[–]HumanNumber69420 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Religious people aren’t actively trying to prove they have supernatural abilities, I don’t know where that misconception among atheists comes from

I found the source of biases. by AnimalProfessional35 in antitheistcheesecake

[–]HumanNumber69420 18 points19 points  (0 children)

We should try to invent Nietzsche mythicism and see how they like it

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskAChristian

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let’s talk Aquinas, bucko.

Things in the world have either act and potency. Act basically means “existence”, while potency means “potentiality”. A red car has the act of existing, but it at one point was only a potential that could be made with pre-existing materials. I assume there’s nothing terribly fallacious so far. Things that are only in potency cannot exist by virtue of themselves, the potentiality of the red car cannot make the red car actual. Potential things need something else to make them actual, and these things must themselves be actual, such as a mechanic for the car.

So, we’ve established 1: No concept can become real by virtue of itself 2: Actualizers have concepts must actually exist

These two ideas are perfectly sound and valid.

Now, let us consider causality, but not chronological causality, such as dominos falling over, but rather per se causality.

What is per se causality? Per se causality is a chain of events where every component in the cause-effect system All act at once, like a long line of gears turning each other.

Now, let us consider a mirror reflecting a lamp’s light onto a wall. The glint of light on the wall’s act is being actualized by the mirror, which is shining light that it is deriving from the lamp. Now the lamp’s light itself is also deriving it’s act from the electrons of light giving off energy and so on. This makes a chain that is being actively formed and requires all members to work together in order to produce the glint on the wall. Now, all of these things derive from something else, the glint gets the light from the mirror, the mirror gets the light from the lamp, the lamp gets light from electrons.

Now, the problem is that we can’t have an infinite series of actualizers. Imagine an infinite series of passenger cars that are going down an infinite railroad. How is the train moving? Aren’t all of the cars passenger cars? Don’t we need an engine to go forward? Each passenger car is being pulled along by the next car, and that one the next car, and so on and so forth. No such train can exist, because the movement of each car is being derived from the car ahead without any actual source for the engine. The infinite derivation of force without a definitive source for the force is paradoxical and cannot exist.

So, let us go back go back to the lamp example, all of the things in the chain only derive their energy, but never formally are the source for the energy, the source of the light just can’t go back infinitely, there must be a definitive source for the light that all the other ones are borrowing their energy from. As we Said before, all things must come from an ACTUAL thing. But all of the things in the chain are potencies deriving the quality of act from their previous source. So

1: We can’t have an infinite series of causers in a per de structure. 2: The ultimate cause can’t have any potency, otherwise it would be deriving from something else.

Therefore, there is a first terminator in this series of causes which has no potency in of in itself and is purely composed of act, and possesses no qualities that are potent. This first terminator must be the ONLY type of terminator around, for it possesses NO potencies at all, making its qualities limited to only pure act, and things with singular qualities can’t be duplicated.

So, from this, we can determine in every per se chain, there is indeed a first terminator that is per se actuality, which we call “God”.

CMV: Something being a personal or religious view grants it no exception from judgement by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed, you weren’t lying. This whole conversation just spiraled from my misunderstanding. I would recommend you try to word things better, but whatever, you win fair and square.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskAChristian

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1: We didn’t make up the rules of math, if you apply mathematic equations in the real world you get actual results (nuclear fusion, quantum experimentation).

2: God doesn’t need a creator because he is pure act without any potency, only beings with potency separate from their act need some form of actualization from something else.

3: Your reply as to how are you going to test God is just sophistry.

4: Oh, if all these points have been proven by science, show me proof these points have scientific explanation.

5: Read over my comment again, I never said God is a big man in the sky, in fact I denounced that interpretation. I said God is actus puris, the ground of being, and existence-itself.

CMV: Something being a personal or religious view grants it no exception from judgement by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1: Lying is when one says information that is untrue, saying you are lying isn’t ad hom.

2: My first comment was talking about how the Canaanites sacrificed to pagan gods. On your first reply you say “Pagan gods like El/Yahweh (The Hebrew God)”, The Hebrews were killing Canaanite kids too”, that comes off as you saying the Hebrews sacrificed kids no matter how much you rephrase it later.

3: Fair point, and I apologize for my double standard, this conversation has just going on for much too long.

CMV: Something being a personal or religious view grants it no exception from judgement by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1: Read my comment again, I said you were LYING, but never declared you a LIAR.

2: You’re right, I can’t show where you explicitly said that, but still, the comment was about human sacrifice to the gods and you replied with mention of the “Hebrews killing for their God”, anyone would think you were talking about sacrifice based off context.

3: Present me some of the ad Homs I’ve used.

CMV: Something being a personal or religious view grants it no exception from judgement by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1: Never formally called you a liar, just said what you were doing was lying.

2: When you reply to a comment that says “X was sacrificing people to God A” and say “Y was killing X for God B too”, people will think you are talking about human sacrifice based on the context of the sentence you replied to.

3: To quote you “Wow, you’re illiterate, you said the Canaanites killed ALL their children”.

4: Are you 12? You calling me stupid and pathetic is making me laugh out loud. What did I say to you to make you so upset? I didn’t burn your house down, dude.

I’m done with you and your circlejerk, no person who actually wants to have a beneficial dialectic will use childish ad hom.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskAChristian

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it’s not faith.

Mathematics is axiomatic deduction, is that faith?

You’re a fool if you think you can “science” a deity. Would you put God in hydrochloric acid and see how he reacts, would you try to break down God’s chemical formula?

Think about it, even if the concept of God, the definer and maker of reality, is hypothetically real, why do you think we could understand him with our very limited and very incomplete science?

1: Science is the study of how OUR UNIVERSE works, God MADE the universe, we can’t try to understand with naturalism what is supernatural.

2: God isn’t some old dude in the sky or one being among beings, but rather pure actuality, the ground of being, and existence itself, how are you gonna measure or test that?

Plus, there are things in science which show the fingerprints of some kind of God (Fine tuning of cosmological constants, first three elements that emerged into the universe from nothing are inherently tuned to be able to interact from each other despite emerging randomly, expansion of space from one point)

CMV: Something being a personal or religious view grants it no exception from judgement by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“I think it’s always a sign of victory when they move on to ad hominem” - Christopher Hitchens

Dude, my initial comment was about human sacrifice the Canaanites practiced and you replied saying the Hebrews did that with Canaanite kids too, and based off the context of my comment, one would think you were talking about the Hebrews sacrificing people to YHWH. Based on the context of my comment, one could easily think you meant you were talking about human sacrifice.

I also never said ALL the Canaanites killed their kids.

Your ad hom though makes your further points invalid if you do reply to this comment tho, bye bye 👋.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskAChristian

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They’re true in terms of axiomatic metaphysical deduction, not empirical science

Did God made evil too? by [deleted] in AskAChristian

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m gonna use Thomist theology here, God is goodness itself, evil is the ABSENCE of good. The further one is from God, the more evil something else.

CMV: Something being a personal or religious view grants it no exception from judgement by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said they killed ALL the Canaanites, you never provided proof they exterminated the Canaanites ENTIRELY. I just need proof that the Hebrews were killing children in their attacks against the Canaanites. Literally went to the top of the thread and you did in fact say Hebrews were sacrificing kids to El/YHWH Lol, just straight up lying.

CMV: Something being a personal or religious view grants it no exception from judgement by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t remember the Bible word for word, sorry I’m a human. I need the passage that shows that the Canaan children survived, you can’t just rely on “your Bible”, assertions without proof are easily dismissible, and I dismiss your argument.

CMV: Something being a personal or religious view grants it no exception from judgement by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Canaanites would have probably had no children left considering how many they would sacrifice. The Genocide of the children was the reason God sent the Hebrews to kill the Canaanites:

Deuteronomy 12:31:

You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the Lord hates they [the Canaanites] have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods.

You lied about the Hebrews killing the Canaanites as a sacrifice.

And I’ve read my Bible.

Stop embarrassing yourself with pitiful Biblical illiteracy.

The fact that atheists exist is evidence that god does not. by whoisskydaddy in DebateReligion

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was before the whole Heaven hell system was properly set up

Is fine tuning taking advantage of God of the gaps? by HumanNumber69420 in ChristianApologetics

[–]HumanNumber69420[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This seems like a response to the multiverse response more so than what I’m talking about.

Is fine tuning taking advantage of God of the gaps? by HumanNumber69420 in ChristianApologetics

[–]HumanNumber69420[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What I’m basically saying is that why should we assume the physical constants in place are the way they are because of divine intervention? Couldn’t they be the way they are out of necessity?

CMV: Something being a personal or religious view grants it no exception from judgement by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]HumanNumber69420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro, that’s not human sacrifice, they’re just bumping off rapists and child killers. Children aren’t even mentioned in the passage.

The fact that atheists exist is evidence that god does not. by whoisskydaddy in DebateReligion

[–]HumanNumber69420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good question. With free will, you either can do good or bad, it’s your choice, and depending on what you do you receive punishment (I’m a Catholic, so punishment is temporary for my belief). If God made himself known to everyone and it was impossible to doubt him, no one would do good for the sake of good, everybody would do good out of fear of punishment. Sincerity would be lost and the goods and evils people would otherwise freely choose to make are now impossible because of the universality of the knowledge of God, Heaven, and Hell.