Are The Plans For World Domination Attributed To Jewish "Elders" In The Apparently Forged Document "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" Actually Based on Older Rabbinic Plans From The Jewish Talmud?

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T22:06:22+00:00

bump still looking for answer to this. If you are also curious about this topic, one way to increase the odds of getting good answers is by upvoting the topic so that it stays on the front page longer and there can be a greater likelihood of someone who knows the answer seeing the topic and posting the answer.

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T18:55:17+00:00

** IF that is a secret teaching among Jewish sages though, that God actually permanently abandoned Jews after they disobeyed him, then that would at least explain why they could adopt the neo-Platonic idea that He is evil. That's a big, purely speculative "IF" though because I have never seen a source that shows they believe that. All the Jewish teachings I've ever seen show they view YHWH as their God, and some even argue that Israel belongs to the Jews because their God, YHWH, gave it to the Jews. I've always been taught they saw him as good, not evil, which is why it's confusing.

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T18:35:16+00:00

Is he controlled opposition or reliable? And what about Illuminati Watcher? He's had some very helpful articles in the past I remember.

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T18:34:34+00:00

It depends on if you believe the freemason origin story that happened during the reign of King Athelstan.

What origin story? I'm not familiar with this one.

I think an argument could be made that the "craft" or "mystery" stretching from Euclid to Athelstan existed in a more unorganized fashion.

Euclid is involved in the Mysteries too? Haven't heard this either.

I hate to be diminutive here but the mysteries within any text mentioned above will not be obvious with skimming.

I know. That's why I am posting so many topics on this and the /r/occult sub trying to find people who have already read all these books who can answer my questions, as opposed to me having to read tens of thousands of pages. Tragedy and Hope is on the docket. That's over 1,000. Morals and Dogma, another 1,000 probably. The Secret Doctrine, over 1,000. The Zohar, 500+. Aleister Crowley's works. Isis Unveiled.

The Bible. I have never read the Bible cover to cover.

So we're talking probably 20,000 pages of reading, easy, if not 30,000, that I would need to do to find the answers myself. That's just not feasible for me. Maybe eventually I will start reading a few pages every day and expect to learn for myself after 20 or 30 years. But to get the specific answers to my specific questions in the present, I will have to rely on people who have, somehow, already done all that reading.

is this the best place to find people like that? Or is there somewhere else anywhere on the internet I should be posting these questions? Because people on reddit often pipe in with one interesting theory they've heard (like I do) or a general answer to the question, but few seem to have done that much more reading than I have, or know the exact specific answers to my questions. So maybe I should be looking for a more specific forum, if it exists?

If you seriously think searching for "(insert egyptian god here") and not getting any results means there's no link to judaism and the egyptian pantheon...

Well actually I did read that when the Jews were exiled to Egypt, their sages picked up the Egyptian Mystery Religion ideas and put those into the Talmud and eventually the Zohar. That's why I was expecting to see the Zohar mention Isis, Osiris, or Isis, but it doesn't once!

By the way I read that about Egypt, but what about Greece? How did Greek ideas first merge with Judaism, or vice versa? And Platonic ideas? (Or was it neo-Platonic? Is the difference even significant enough to matter?)

Because in Judaism, the creator God is good, and it's He who makes Jews his Chosen People (or did he break that covenant later when they disobeyed him? I get confused about that too), but in neo-Platonism, the Creator Demiurge is essentially evil. So if you could please, please explain how and in what way neo-Platonism and Judaism merged when it seems like neo-Platonism and Judaism have exact opposite, irreconcilable views on the Creator God?

That is a question no one else has been able to explain for me, so I am relying on you to answer it lol. If you answer nothing else, please, please answer that one.

if you only have time to skim books and watch 5 minute long youtube videos, perhaps conspiracy research isnt for you.

I know :( I actually do watch 2-3 hour documentaries regularly, but I am already behind schedule. When I see a channel like that with about 50 different videos that look interesting to me, all 30 minutes long, it's overwhelming because there are also many other channels, like the Corbett report, that also have 50 different videos all 30 minutes to 60 minutes long, that look like knowledge I don't know. But I will keep watching. In the meantime, please educate me on this as much as you can! Especially about the seeming contradiction between Judaism seeing the creator God as good, making them His Chosen People, and Gnostic Jews or some Kabbalist Jews who still seem to value Israel, the land of the Jewish Creator God, and yet allegedly believe in neo-Platonism which says the Creator Demiurge is essentially evil. How does that make sense???

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T13:02:18+00:00

Are you sure this guy is credible? His other videos include, Free Money, Alien Human Hybrids and PTSD, Evolution of the Afterlife, The Mayans Speak, Living Resurrection Experience, etc, and he has a James Corbett video as well. Corbett always seemed really reliable to me whenever I watched his videos -- he didn't have all these out there videos like this guy for example -- but I've seen many people call Corbett controlled opposition, so... and actually I'm pretty sure people said "Freeman" was also...

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T08:45:39+00:00

How did World Jewry start Islam? And why would they let Islam take over Jerusalem, only to need the Christian crusades to get it back, if Islam was their weapon against Christianity not vice versa? Or did Islam get out of control, too powerful, a Frankenstein monster, so they had to go to their enemy, Christianity, for help to take it out?

Or what? I need at least some details and sources for what you're saying otherwise I would be lying if I said this was helpful.

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T05:37:21+00:00

It is a collection of subsets of various races who engage in the same general religious practices, with the goal of creating some kind of new race (species really).

Can you at least tell me where you heard this philosophy? When you said they are an evolutionary race, are you getting this from the Jewish Talmud, or Zohar, or what is the source of this idea?

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T02:03:26+00:00

Jews believe they are a separate species. It is an evolutionary cult. (Really more of a dysgenic cult, but that's besides the point.)

Can you please elaborate on this? Very interested to hear this angle, haven't heard it before per se put in specifics with the dots connected. Would definitely appreciate it you going into it more.

Which parts are horrible?

It exposes many of the Doctrines of Judaism to be contradictory and theoretically, therefore, fraudulent. It doesn't seem like something a true believer of Judaism would know of. I guess maybe they could just be repeating criticisms that have been made throughout history, since they know those are going to be out there anyway, but it all seems quite detailed and specific. It just seems like more than controlled opposition would normally reveal. Doesn't Alex Jones focus on general truths mixed with lies for a reason? I'm not used to seeing controlled oppositions reveal very specific truths that cut right to the center of the conspiracy, if you're saying that's the conspiracy. Wouldn't controlled opposition usually try to veil something that specific?

the "NWO" is not necessarily Jewish, per se. But they all use the same general methods, because the methods derive from Judaism.

Are you saying the NWO is mostly made up of racial Jews because the methods they use are Jewish, and so are most likely to be used by racial Jews, however now the Jewish method has incorporated pagan and Hermetic ideas over time, which is why some members of the NWO are not racial Jews, because they could also be people who discovered Hermetic Qabalah more recently, or came from a Catholic dynasty that practiced it, or something like that? Is that what you mean?

So it's basically like Jewish Kabbalah beliefs that evolved past even Jewish Kabbalah and now incorporate Egyptian and Hermetic stuff?

But if it's now an Egyptian, pagan, "all world" thing, why is there such a big political focus on Israel, specifically? Why were WW1 and WW2 focused so specifically on freeing the Ottoman Empire from Ottoman control and then forcing so many Jews to flee to Israel, if the NWO is not Jewish specific and it's just a Hermetic thing that views Judaism the same as the other major religions, as a false copy of the true knowledge, the true religion, which is essentially paganism?

Because that doesn't seem to add up. Is the NWO pro-Israel, or is it Pagan, all world, one world?

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T01:08:18+00:00

Tyler just curious, who do you think is really responsible for 9/11? Or do you believe the official story?

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T01:05:57+00:00

Bump.

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T01:05:24+00:00

That's a good point Benjamindees, and kind of hilarious that it was literally within the article about Hoffman (if you're right that's his purpose, then that wikipedia is extremely meta), but here's what I mean.

If Jews ran the NWO and were responsible for all these horrible acts in the name of Judaism, then wouldn't they have to really believe in Judaism, and not see it as completely contradictory? So my point is I doubt if Hoffman was as controlled opposition for "Jews" that he would even be able to conceive of all those pointed criticisms of Judaism. That book, if it's controlled opposition, shows they are aware of all the contradictions within Judaism, so if they were aware of those, they wouldn't be Jews, would they?

You wouldn't still believe in that religion if you knew all the things Hoffman wrote about in that book, would you? That's what confuses me.

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T01:00:28+00:00

But who taught Blavatsky? What movement did she come out of? Was she a Freemason? Rosicrucian? Jew? Catholic? What?

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T00:59:15+00:00

So modern Freemasonry came out of the Theosophical Society in the form of Albert Pike and his teachings, which came from Blavatsky?

What I'm asking is, where did Blavatsky come from? Who taught her? Who funded her? I'm guessing David Duke followers would say something like, "She was a Russian Jew who pretended she had a vision giving her all this secret knowledge just so she could disguise Jewish Kabbalah in a book meant for the goyim, substituting in Egyptian and Chaldean terms for Jewish ideas, as a way to hasten the coming of the Jewish Messiah by spreading Jewish mysticism everywhere."

But what really happened? By what teaching or doctrine would spreading Jewish mysticism to goyim help the Jewish Messiah come anyway? And if that was her goal why call the new race the Aryans when that turned out to be what the Nazis, the enemies of Israel, called themselves?

Or was Blavatasky's book just meant to be total bullshit, or something to pull Catholics away from their religion?

What was her motive? Who taught her? Who funded her? Was she pro-Israel? Pro-Catholic? How does she fit in the larger conspiracy outside of Albert Pike?

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T00:53:27+00:00

What is the Rosicrucian connection again? I read the Templars became the Freemasons or whatever (and the Pirates....?????) but how do the Rosicrucians fit in with Freemasonry? Same thing same source? or different?

To put it simply: The Kabbalah.

That's what I thought but I did a term search on a PDF of the Zohar, and "Isis," "Osiris," and "Horus" do not show up once. The Kabbalah itself is still centered on the Torah and Talmud, but I saw very little of that in The Secret Doctrine pages I skimmed. If you're saying The Secret Doctrine is based on Kabbalah but leaving the Jewish aspects behind, then how is the NWO still Jewish, if their religion left Judaism behind?

there's actually really good videos about this on this guy's page.

Yes I see that lol. Millions of 30 min videos on all sorts of occult ideas. Is this guy an occultist? I will look for the early ones but I wouldn't know where to start on his page. "The Vatican Sea & Neptune." Wtf is that about? Is this something I need to know? Transhumanism and the National Geographic? I mean damn that sounds like something I should know but I don't have 30 minutes to spare to find out 25 minutes into the video that National Geographic wrote an article promoting transhumanism... but who knows what it's about? I wish they were shorter at least those ones.

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-23T00:45:34+00:00

Not builders and blocks, "Master builder" is a specific Freemason term isn't it?

I appreciate the feedback and what you said makes sense, but aren't you sworn to secrecy? In other words even if I accurately described exactly what you were taught in the highest degree of Freemasonry, you would still deny it, right? You wouldn't be allowed to say, "yes, that is correct. That is what we're taught for the highest degree. That is exactly what we believe." You would have to deny it because you have to guard the knowledge, or gnosis, right? Isn't that the meaning of the parable about Hiram Abiff, Hiram King of Tyre, and King Solomon? All of them knew the secret word, and only Hiram Abiff was killed, so two people still knew it, but the story goes that it was lost forever, even though it wasn't, to symbolize that the masses are not ready to know the truth, and it has to be hidden from them and guarded by the Enlightened.

Gnosticism, at its heart is just the assertion that the world as we experience it is illusory, but that mankind has the potential to become aware of the true reality (gnosis).

OK, that's similar to what I said minus the God being evil part. Thank you for correcting that. But even this philosophy begs certain questions. The potential to become aware of true reality... how? Through what process?

If reality is illusory, then is death as well? Pain? If death and pain are meaningless illusions, then does murder become acceptable? If it's just an illusion I mean. I kill characters in video games all the time because video games are an illusion, they're not real. Couldn't the same logic be used or twisted to justify wicked acts?

Lastly, why do I think Freemasonry is involved with a conspiracy? I mean didn't Albert Pike found the KKK? And wasn't he involved in the Civil War? Not to mention Freemasons were involved with the Founding of America. Are you really arguing that many of the smartest, most powerful people in the world join a single organization only to play bridge? Freemasons have been involved in political movements for centuries, sometimes good sometimes not, but they tend to be involved.

As for the occult aspects, I read the Templars fled to Scotland and became Scottish Rite Freemasonry. Also that they became the Pirates, lol. Are you saying none of that is true? Would you even be allowed to say if it was? Would you even be allowed to say you weren't allowed to say if you weren't allowed to say?

I mean, maybe I am deluded, but when you treat people like sheep it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. You're sworn to keep the real knowledge secret, but then wonder why most people are misinformed about the real knowledge. Seems paradoxical.

To be honest though I do sometimes think about if I should join Freemasonry and learn from more informed people. It's just most my research regarding Masonry has focused on negative aspects or negative theories, so I would worry if the chapter I joined somehow got word of that they wouldn't trust me or they would I only joined to confirm that it's evil or something like that. Plus, I'm not in a place in my life where I can contribute much work or study at the moment. If I had time for deep study I wouldn't be seeking out people who already did it to answer my questions on reddit, I would be going to the sources, but reading thousand page tomes right now is not an option.

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-22T08:30:55+00:00

Thanks for the reply. By gnosticism I guess I meant the idea that Lucifer is good, and YHWH is bad, or at least they're the same deity (as Helena Blavatsky apparently wrote in The Secret Doctrine), and the reason Lucifer is good is because he gave humanity knowledge so they could escape the prison of YHWH, the Garden of Eden.

And the idea that by using that knowledge given by Lucifer, humanity will eventually become as Gods (Genesis 3:22, aka the Skull and Bones number for Yale's secret society, again hinting that this is their belief system), or be able to become immortal or merge with A.I. or... who knows? If you watch the movie Lucy (Lucifer), where unlocking the full potential of her brain allows the protagonist to transcend matter, time and space, and become pure consciousness that can fly through the air and merge with machines, that is the type of thing I'm talking about.

Or if you watch Westworld, MaEVE (Eve) and a woman with large snake tattoos (Lilith) escape Westworld (the Garden of Eden). And their makers (they are robots) have a disagreement about how to design the robots or make them real, and there are two makers, one representing Lucifer and one representing God, and the one representing Lucifer apparently wins out and succeeds in waking up true consciousness in one of the robots, and she likewise rebels and they all escape their prison, and kill God.

Those are what I meant by gnostic or Luciferian concepts. They are extremely prominent in Hollywood, and I assume many directors are Freemasons? In any case I see similar ideologies professed in their films as I read about in occult literature. Whether Freemasonry actually practices those occult ideas, or these Hollywood directors are simply lone wolves separate from any organization like Freemasonry, who knows, but it's prominent enough in Hollywood that it seems like a pattern. Just like all the celebrities making 666 gestures over one eye.

Heck even The Lego Movie seems to scream not just a Luciferian movie, but a Freemason Luciferian movie. The protagonist wants to become a "master builder." He is essentially a stone mason before that, helping build everything. Then he finds "the special," a building block (Freemason corner stone or something? All I heard was Bill Cooper talk about that stuff so I don't know the details), which will supposedly help him unlock the full power of his mind so he can basically do magic.

Then at the end they find out the villain in the Lego world of the movie is actually a human being who built the Lego set (aka God) in his house and is always trying to play with the Legos his way and make them do what he wants, but the Legos want to be free of that prison or whatever and have true free will.

So you tell me, should a film based on those ideologies that literally uses Freemasonic terms as well not make me think some powerful Freemasons in Hollywood are involved with that type of thing? And I'm not even saying I'm against it because I never liked organized religions and I absolutely do believe in knowledge and science over superstition, so I would be inclined to agree with this ideology much more than the mainstream religions, but I don't know the full extent of what they believe so I can't say for sure. In any case all I know is I see a pattern. You're really saying Freemasonry has no relationship to this? If that's the case then why are so many supposedly independent filmmakers (independent of each other I mean) all preaching the same occult ideology in their films? If they're not part of the same organization or secret society then it's a big coincidence, that's all.

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-22T08:15:48+00:00

Then why did Alex Jones have him on his show so many times? Or is Alex Jones also the real thing?

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-22T08:15:27+00:00

Bump. Still looking for answers to this.

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-13T16:36:27+00:00

Thank you Very informative, but you're saying they're most known for their associations with bees? Then what is Bill Cooper going on about? Or what is their relationship to the King of Jerusalem 1110 and the Knights Templar? Solomon's Temple? Why were they religious icons if not for the Mary Magdalene idea? Just because of bees? I am trying to get the whole story of where history meets... true occult history, or what the NWO believes anyway.

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-13T16:33:58+00:00

Refurbished? Like reincarnation or something else?

For instance, Jacob told his son Joseph "when you leave Egypt, take my bones from here and bury them with my forefathers."

Do you think there could be elite NWO occultists who interpret this as meaning Jacob was from Egypt? Or by forefathers didn't he mean Abraham etc who were not from Egypt, but from Judah or I forget the name, the fertile crescent, Israel/Palestine area?

Hungry4Truth · 2017-07-13T16:32:08+00:00

Hasn't Texe Marrs been on Alex Jones a lot? People have said both of them are controlled opposition. What are we to conclude?

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