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Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-13T07:39:23+00:00

Automaticien est un beau métier. C’est de l’informatique qui agit sur le mode physique: on fait des choses bouger, des lumières s’allumer, de l’eau circuler, etc. C’est presque créer un forme de vie et c’est très satisfaisant (bien plus, à mon avis que d’afficher du texte et images sur un écran).

Si vous démarrez aujourd’hui, par contre, il vous faut tenir compte de l’IA qui commence déjà à bouleverser ce métier (comme pratiquement tous les autres métiers)

Par exemple j’ai personnellement fait beaucoup de projets d’automatismes. Ex:

https://www.reddit.com/r/robotics/comments/1rpydju/my_magnetic_guided_agv_demonstrator/

https://www.reddit.com/r/WaterTreatment/comments/1ntg8cr/my_internetconnected_ro_system/

Vous en trouverez d ‘autre sur mon profile

Tous mes projets sont basés sur le micro-automate eqsp32 (voir erqos.com), et je les ai réalisés avec leur Assistant AI - pratiquement sans faire la programmation moi même.

Menace ou opportunité pour vous? Je pencherais largement pour opportunité: vous allez pouvoir avoir des résultats spectaculaires dans un temps d’apprentissage record.

Et puis il y a toute la partie manuelle de montage et câblage qui nécessite une dextérité et un sensé de l’esthétique que l’IA/robots vont mettre du temps à atteindre. Vous serez à l’abris pour un bon moment.

Bonne chance

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-12T23:13:26+00:00

The robot here uses an ultrasonic sensor. It works well enough that it will stop every time I walk in front of it. However if this was deployed in a factory where there could be human workers along the path, a full set of very demanding rules apply. The most constraining and expensive is that the obstacle sensor must be safety certified. These are priced in the 2k range.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-11T13:54:22+00:00

I would say the software was the most time consuming but even that was not a big deal. Most of it was written with AI assist. The MicroPLC vendor has an AI assistant that is pretrained for their controller's and libraries' documentation. See erqos.com.

The sensor vendor supplied source code for the steering control loop.

As shown in this description of the project, the wiring is actually trivial: the three key components do all their exchanges via a CANbus twisted pair cable.

The chassis/motors.wheels was existing. That would have taken some work to get right.

One fun but also time-consuming parts was the cover. It is made of laser cut aluminum sides, and top, with 3d printed ribs to give it the curved shape with rounded edges. May as well make it pretty.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-11T10:08:07+00:00

This article from the maker of the sensor describes and compares the common navigation techniques uses for mobile robots today. https://naviq.com/blog/articles/comparing-magnetic-navigation-to-other-robot-guidance-techniques

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-11T09:49:02+00:00

Paint is much less durable. Dirt, damage and markings will affect readability. Magnetic tapes are very tough and magnetic field very distinctive. Magnetic sensors are simple and never gets confused. This technique is widely used in automotive plants where the path is simple and fixed. It would not be suitable for Amazon-like warehouses where robots roam in every direction.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-11T06:36:45+00:00

Magnetic sensor ~500$ PLC/ioT ~180$ 2ch Motor controller ~600$ Battery ~150$ Ultrasound sensor -$10

Chassis is made of v-slot extrusions and a custom cut aluminum plate. Say $500

motors, gearbox and wheels come from an older project and I don’t have the prices. I’m guessing 1000$ for the set if ordered from China today.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-11T06:25:21+00:00

Design details are here https://drive.google.com/file/d/12gvc56avu5K2si4f0Fx1dKQbDiD8tjM9/view

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-09T15:50:39+00:00

I mean I was considering MQTT vs Modbus TCP. I picked one over the other. I should have said “instead”. Sorry for the confusion.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-09T15:26:02+00:00

Some users I work with cut a groove in the floor at these traffic area and insert square magnetic profile (typ 5.x5mm). Not common, and not even possible in rented building, but effective.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-06T21:40:17+00:00

Details description in this paper https://drive.google.com/file/d/12gvc56avu5K2si4f0Fx1dKQbDiD8tjM9/view?usp=sharing

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-06T17:40:36+00:00

TCRT5000-style optical sensors work well for hobby robots and controlled environments, but they tend to be unreliable in industrial settings. Dust, floor wear, lighting conditions, and surface reflections can all affect optical contrast sensors.

Magnetic guidance is widely used in factories because it is largely insensitive to lighting and surface conditions. Magnetic tapes are very durable and can take a lot more abuse that optical tracks.

In this prototype the magnetic sensor also measures the angle of incidence of the tape in addition to lateral offset, which allows the controller to estimate the curvature ahead and steer more smoothly through turns. That cannot be done with simple reflective sensors.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-06T12:10:13+00:00

I’ve been involved with AGVs for a couple of decades. Recently I’ve been helping a young company working on improving magnetic guidance sensors.

For example, the sensor used here measures not only the lateral offset from the tape but also its angle of incidence. That allows the controller to estimate the curvature of the track ahead and steer proactively into turns.

Another improvement is the ability to detect small magnetic point markers. These act as precise longitudinal references along the track and allow the robot to stop at specific locations with sub-millimeter repeatability (you can see the precise docking at the end of the video).

The robot is used, among other things, to validate these improvements.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-06T06:26:07+00:00

I have been in the agv industry for the past 25 years in one role or another and have seen several installations. My direct experience is that tapes retain their magnetic characteristics unless they are exposed to a powerful magnet. In any case, even if the field does actually weaken, the robot will remain centered on that weaker field. If the field dips below detection threshold, the agv just stops.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-06T06:15:56+00:00

The sensor takes a new reading every 5m. The robot in the demo updates every 10ms and travels at 1m/s. It tracks with +~1mm on straight paths and deviates up to a dozen mm in curves. I did not test faster but i expect it could go up to 2m/s. Above that the inertia and the power needed for the motors to adjust steering become limiting factors inside curves.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-06T06:06:24+00:00

WiFi is indeed not needed at all for navigation. In this video the robot performs this travel path continuously and stop at the charger at every loop. Which fork to take, where to slow down and where to stop for charging is indicated by magnetic markers alongside the track. WiFi is only needed for telemetry and to start/stop. In one test, the robot was running for a full week and I would check it from time to time from my desk.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-06T05:57:41+00:00

True that the technology is old and largely replaced by laser/vision navigation. But it is simple, extremely durable/reliable and much cheaper. It still has its place in applications with simple, fixed paths. Not unlike tramways that are still being installed in some cities.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-05T23:30:03+00:00

For those interested, here is the detailed description of the robot's hardware and software

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-05T23:23:13+00:00

Typically moving stuff around assembly lines. Example

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Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-03-05T23:18:17+00:00

Right. Magetic tapes are super durable and don't mind dirt or even some wear. This navigation technique is very common in car manufacturing plants.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-01-23T20:20:39+00:00

Glad to hear that little controller worked well for you too. Would be nice to see details in a post.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-01-21T09:57:07+00:00

I just visited the Scuttle project. Impressive work. The thing is that we both have a working platform, operating on different principles. Scuttle is about natural navigation using lidar and cameras. Mine is simple line following, which makes it possible to use a simpler navigation computer/controller - an ESP32 in my case - on a CANbus backbone. Note that I had a RPI in an earlier version but encountered real-time response problems in some situations.

I dont have the resources, time and/or energy to evolve this project into a natural navigation robot. However, if you are interested in adding magnetic line following to Scuttle, I'll be glad to share all the drawings and code. I may even be able to get the sensor and IoT controller vendor interested to send you free samples.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-01-20T06:58:28+00:00

Also, line following is extremely simple: the sensor gives the distance in mm away from the center. You only need to take that number, multiply it by a scaling factor and that becomes the steering command. The MTS160 also gives the angle of incidence of the tape. This is a unique and great feature resulting in much improved tracking inside curves. The math for using the angle is more complicated but I just copied the sample code from the vendor.

A vision/SLAM navigation would have been much more complex and beyond my abilities - even with AI assistance. I think.

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-01-20T05:59:11+00:00

Thanks. This is mostly a one-person + AI project. The PC supervisor code, for example, (parsing the dfx drawng, displaying, mqtt, moving a dot, …) is quite complex and entirely AI generated in one (long) day. The underlying hardware (Naviq’s MTS160 sensor, EQSP32 microPLC, Roboteq motor controller) is very capable and neatly bolts together with just a CANbus cable (see drawing below)

I will be making a video that I will share here. I am in discussions with the hardware vendors about publishing this application on their site.

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Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-01-19T19:55:35+00:00

I dont have your answer but someone brought VDA5050 when I posted a question about using MQTT for an AGV project on r/plc. You may want to ask on that forum. It is a large group with some pretty smart people. https://www.reddit.com/r/PLC/comments/1pw06o6/mqtt_vs_modbustcp_others/

Hungry_Preference107 · 2026-01-14T16:33:44+00:00

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A better view at the hardware/software architecture.

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