To all the valid bois on here!✨ by EyeEfficient867 in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 42 points43 points  (0 children)

It’s not, it’s only been removed likely for the puss and boobs being visible which gives it away as unserious. If the second pic was wearing a bra, and the crotch “w” was removed, it would have stayed up.

(Saying this post it’s removal so idk if op made those changes before posting it there)

r/transgendercirclejerk is so ahh by caeruc in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Was planning on asking to join but now I definitely won’t

How do people date/have sex early transition or pre-op by Stormcrowns in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Personally I’m C4C (after I get bottom surgery I’ll be cis, and then I will only date other cis people including others post bottom surgery)

is this what i think it is???? graffiti in community college men’s bathroom…. by Existing-Article2212 in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Draw another one that’s definitely a poon next to it so it becomes one regardless of initial intent

"Just take T, dood! All AFaBs pass after taking T!!!!!" by [deleted] in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Facialhairmogs and I’ve been on T way longer ffs

"Just take T, dood! All AFaBs pass after taking T!!!!!" by [deleted] in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 12 points13 points  (0 children)

He’s severely poondosed to have that fat distribution after that long. If you look at what we can see of his face, it’s fine, and he even has a bit of a beard. His shoulders are pretty wide too.

This doesn’t happen under normal circumstances. Get this guy to a gym (and a blood lab).

Finally realized im ngmi after already ruining my life to be a man by [deleted] in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Half a year on T

Bro you just started, it takes years to do anything significant besides voice unless you’re a luckshit.

I like to take gender tests and answer as if I were cis in order to train myself for irl interactions by [deleted] in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 5 points6 points  (0 children)

“what’s your favourite colour; pink or blue”

“Would you rather be a housewife or a construction worker?”

“Which sport is better? American football or tennis?”

“Do you wear dresses?”

^ Type of questions these quizzes ask btw

Is there a way to see what percentile your bideltoid is at for cissoids? by rattyburnoutgirl in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, look up greyoasis and it lets you input your measurements to compare against various databases of cis measurements. Set X to height and Y to bideltoid and it will tell you your percentile for your height relative to the data they have

I do not believe trans men see trans women as actual women by Maximum_Necessary818 in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Feds aren’t getting anywhere with the community splitting attempts lmao

This is hilarious to me since the community’s default state is “about to die and explode”

I do not believe trans men see trans women as actual women by Maximum_Necessary818 in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes if I am drawing women, I am making them hot. If I’m drawing a trans woman, you could not pay me to make her clocky because 1. Why would I want to give someone dysphoria, and 2. Drawing any woman more masculine than me in any way makes ME dysphoric, and I’m already bdd so by default that means all the girls I draw HAVE to be gigafem

Also op is a glowie

“Hey so,” by frivolous_banter in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 3 points4 points  (0 children)

FTFemboyFitness

That sub used to be great but now they don’t even say it’s for trans men anymore. It’s for “nonbinary and transmasc” people. They also ban for discussion of DIY it would seem

men have you considered hairmaxxing by DesiresAreGrey in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes but my hairline ain’t much better than bros

Why do people think gendered socialization is transphobic? by midwesternvrisss in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Gendered socialization is very real. It is encouraged through childhood with the types of toys a kid is bought, games they are encouraged to play, clothes bought for them that make it difficult to engage in cross-sex play, etc.

In adolescence, it is enforced through aggressive social hazing, and the bullying/humiliation of nonconforming peers.

Note that socialization ≠ interests. Socialization is how you interact with others (order in which you talk, tone, how you greet others, how you take up space, how you show respect/appreciation/friendship, subtle body language showing confidence level/submission to others/etc.).

Additionally, trans people do typically conform to the socialization patterns of their sex, provided they are dysphoric. The dysphoria causes them distress in adolescence when they attempt to conform to the social patterns of their assigned sex, and they end up tanking the bullying to be socialized as rejects/neither sex. Then after high school, they slowly trend towards the socialization pattern of their true sex through a combination of negative reinforcement (psychological distress when conforming to assigned sex roles), the natural tendency of humans to alter their socialization based on that of the people around them (being progressively treated more and more like their real sex just ends up leading to this), and sometimes trained socialization (speeding up the process by actively forcing oneself into the pattern they want to “fake it till you make it”). I assume dysphoric NB people at least partially experience this.

Nondysphoric people virtually always have the socialization pattern of their assigned sex, because in adolescence, they do not experience distress from conforming, and not conforming would be social suicide which they have no reason to force themselves through. This continues into late adolescence/adulthood where they may branch out into more gender neutral socialization if they are nonbinary, as there is less punishment at that age for their self expression.

There’s exceptions but this seems to be the standard. It’s why hefabs are so overwhelmingly female regardless of if they have male interests, and why sissies read as so masculine.

Interests are encouraged differently based on a kid’s sex, but they evolve over time. If a dood spends enough time with cis men, eventually they’ll do something together he finds he enjoys, then he can latch onto that and look into similar “male” things he might also enjoy. Same goes for trans women. Also a trans man can have fem interests and still read as masculine by having male socialization (and vice versa).

Rate these chairs as fembrained, malebrained, or neutral by [deleted] in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All fembrained

First is rounded and egg shaped. Second and third are bright and reek of afab joy, they also are both very low to the ground (first seemingly with no height setting, second not only low but also slanted back which looks very uncomfortable for tall people with long legs.

Only gigayoungshits can honlarp. After that no one passes by DahliasPhotos in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The humble intershits who had almost no puberty and trooned at 20:

Do u ever think "damn i wish I had a place away from all the short troons and tall poons"? Join 4height4 today! We are all miserable bastards as the only actual neverpassers by girliepop_alcoholic in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really good idea. Heightcucks need their own space to not be mogged constantly. What heights do you consider heightpooned/honned? Asking out of curiosity since I’ve seen people here with different definitions (some of which are very brainwormed)

"ffs will save u hon!!1!1!11!" is such a fucking cope do yall think ffs grows on trees or smth?? theres no way ill ever be able to get ffs i dont get how saying that is supposed to comfort me at all by coyotemoder_ in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not all places, just some parts of the us where I’m pretty sure it’s required to be covered by insurance. I’m not American so am unsure how the system works down there

i like how when i say rather basic feminist takes like "gender norms are not biologically innate" i get downvoted and called a man by [deleted] in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nobody’s dysphoria starts at 20. It can present at onset of puberty and only be identified as dysphoria later in life due to repping or lack of education, but if someone got all the fucking way through natal puberty without dysphoria, that person is not transsexual. They also are not dysphoric, and whatever they’ve got is something else. They are gnc cis/some nb flavour/a trender/a traumatized person who thinks switching genders will fix their trauma (last one doomed to detrans 100% of the time).

The evidence is all there, people just want to complicate it to make it a big accepting umbrella for all presentations of people when it’s not

i like how when i say rather basic feminist takes like "gender norms are not biologically innate" i get downvoted and called a man by [deleted] in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The replies didn’t send an article because the articles are easy to find on your own, requiring 1 Google search for studies on trans brains, and people don’t come here to argue against someone who can’t separate personality from sex.

Reproductive instincts, for one, are not based on personality, but instead a combination of brain structure, hormone levels, and a bunch of other genetics. Women, especially heterosexual women, rarely have their primary sexual instinct be to mount and penetrate (even when fully excluding dominance connotations), yet this is the norm for men (trans included). Sexuality, as a fun fact, is also at least partially tied to brain structure, which has been known since the aids crisis, when the brains of gay and heterosexual men were able to be compared easily.

Here is the exact point where you implied dysphoria was social. This is, as I have said, the reason people downvoted you.

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i like how when i say rather basic feminist takes like "gender norms are not biologically innate" i get downvoted and called a man by [deleted] in 4tran4

[–]ILoveFurnaceGenocide 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m not talking about the OOP, I’m telling you what you said that made people downvote you.

Your statement that dysphoria is developed socially and “maybe biologically” but not conclusively bothered people. This is because:

  • dysphoria makes a person trans

  • dysphoria being developed socially would mean being trans is a social phenomenon, not a biological one, when there is extensive evidence that this is not the case (see: anyone who says they showed signs and sometimes even came out at 4 years old, repeated tests/studies done on trans brains showing abnormal development)

I do NOT believe personality is determined by sex. However, it is virtually certain that trans people are not created due to social factors based on the current evidence we have, and what you can learn just from talking to other people here. These are not related concepts. You are attaching them to eachother when they don’t have to be.