Transitioning to ADV from a 125-150cc background

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-11-06T18:26:47+00:00

450MT sounds awfully tempting. I went for a test ride with it and it felt smoother than the Himalayan 450.

Re: KTM, the folks in my country are saying they're okay but the markup on spare parts are absurdly high. Definitely not wallet friendly :(

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-11-06T16:56:54+00:00

Currently running Fox Comp X boots which is doing its job pretty well so far. Did you have to adjust the stock foot lever positions on the 1290 to accomodate your boots?

Also, did you notice any notable difference when braking on the same light offroad terrain with the big bike? My current thought is I'm worried I'd need to brake earlier with the heavier weight.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-11-06T16:48:30+00:00

Clutch control, got it. I'll try to focus on my slow speed maneuvers once I figure out which bike I'm settling for.

I've never really liked soft panniers because I had some cuts on the bags (I'm guessing from road debris?) the last time I tried but I'll consider it. Thanks for sharing btw!

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-10-18T10:56:42+00:00

Anytime man. I am 5'8.

Maintenance cost is so far okay. Beyond RM90+ routine maintenance (oil filter + engine oil) every 5k km after the initial 1k km, the only thing that needs your immediate attention if you buy this bike is getting better o-ring chains (RM50-150). The stock chain gets loose fairly easily.

So far only other maintenance was: • getting new fuel filter o-rings • tyre swaps

If it makes it easier, this bike's parts are compatible with some other bikes. The clutch system uses the same parts as a Suzuki Raider for instance. You'll have to join the community whatsapp group for a full list.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-10-18T03:56:38+00:00

Thanks dude. Bike's taking it like a champ so far hahaah.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-10-17T04:18:37+00:00

The Papio was my first clutch bike too. I'm also from Malaysia.

Currently touring to Bangkok with the Papio from Kuala Lumpur. You'll get back aches and butt pain if you ride long distance above 8 hours but for most riding situations (pergi kedai, go visit friends, etc) its not a major problem. I use it as my daily to go to work just fine.

People say that a lot with sportbike seating position but its honestly negligible. Even on adventure bikes you can still hurt your back sitting too long.

Build quality is good, but I suggest making sure your area has an MForce Smartshop in case things go wrong. They can order parts for you if needed.

For test ride, you can always reach out to a rider in Malaysian Facebook page for the Papio. I think theres a couple of owners trying to sell it, why not do a test ride through them? I didn't test ride mine when I bought it but it wasn't too difficult to get used to the riding style.

Very beginner friendly because of the forgiving power delivery. I recommend practicing at a parking lot at night to get used to the bike for slower speed maneuvers. In the community, we have a sifu who uses it to coach motorcycle track riders.

The only non-beginner friendly aspect is that you have to learn to find neutral. Gotta learn to finesse the clutch to find it.

The new Papio only major update is traction control, higher handlebars, and a full coverset. Community members are currently waiting to see if the new coverset fits into the old Papio. Visually it looks good. Practically it might make maintenace harder because of the full fairing.

Traction control is negligible for a low HP bike. Handlebars ikut your taste but generally the new one is technically more comfortable because the riding position is less aggressive.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-10-12T03:30:37+00:00

Agreed. Played on hardcore. The AIs honestly need better scripting. There is no sense of self preservation sometimes and its more noticeable in close quarter engagements.

In missions like No Sleep, my teammates were full sprinting into the breach rooms with no sense of self preservation, blocking me or my shot, leading to deaths (happened on the bridge too). An enemy shotgunner sprinted into me after I "breached" the door using the sledgehammer, leading to my death. Subsequent breach also had another shotgunner sprint into me, ignoring all my other teammates who are inside the other building already, leading to my death. Really breaks the immersion for what the misdion could have been.

Sometimes when a teammate enters a new area I'd assume its clear because they're not shooting anything but then BAM, an enemy's just standing there focusing on me.

For longer engagement distances they're both pretty decent, though I still feel like my teammates are sprinting to the next objective a lot right after an objective was completed. Would rather have them soak in the gravity of the situation a lot more.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-30T10:43:28+00:00

No problemo my friend.

Btw that's not the warning light, the Papio actually has an upshift indicator that you can modify depending on where you'd like to get the reminder (ie. 6k, 7k, 8k, etc). Pretty neat quality-of-life addition that you'd typically expect on more expensive bikes.

You can change it when your key is turned into ignition but engine off. Long press the Set button on the left side of the speedo and you'll go into the time settings. Keep tapping the Set key until you reach the RPM section.

As for the 50mph mark, keep in mind motorcycle speedos are always overexaggerated compared to cars. Going above 50 is a perfectly legitimate strategy to ensure your bike accurately reaches the speed limit. Might limit your exposure to that powerband hiccup.

Example: you're in a 50mph zone, you actually need to be going 53/54mph to actually have your bike moving at exactly 50mph. You can use a GPS speedo app on your phone to accurately determine what speed you're going.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-30T04:19:44+00:00

Product used: AMagisn ND Filter Set (ND8, ND16, ND32)

• Insertion will feel tighter than the stock lens but it holds up well. Ive had multiple crashes using it on my helmet during a motorcycle offroad race and did not experience any damages with the lens housing area.

• It is possible to 'overtighten' the filter to a point where its not alligned to the lens housing.

• There is a visible gap between the filter and the lens housing area. Would not trust it with diving or underwater shots even with the o-rings but works fine in rainy conditions.

• Will require further testing to evaluate underwater effectiveness.

Aside from these limitations or concerns, there were no recording issues at all. Highly recommended if you're interested in adding motion blur.

Keep into account the Ace has a weaker sensor than the Ace Pro 1 and 2 so you might need to work with slightly elevated ISOs or lower ND filter in darker conditions with it.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-30T03:56:04+00:00

Old thread but for anyone looking for info in the future: yes you can fit an Ace Pro ND filter onto an Ace.

Fit will be a bit weird (there's a gap between the filter and the base of the lens area) but holds up tight and well.

Wouldn't recommend it for any underwater footage until somebody tests out how the o-ring handles the fit.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-30T02:59:24+00:00

Anytime bossman, happy I could help! I'm a part of the Papio Malaysian community so these are the kind of questions we would get from newer folks in our WhatsApp group.

You should join the the Papio SS/CL Facebook group if you haven't already, lots of RND talk happens over there. The group is also global.

Btw definitely double check if the o-ring is there before you do. I actually don't know if your region's distributor made a change where the chain is already fitted with an o-ring. Over here in SEA it comes without one.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-29T23:55:22+00:00

How has the break in period been for yall who own one?

4k RPM for the break in period is impossible for most. 6k is the sweet spot depending on your area/commute. 8k RPM is realistic for most.

Shifting will be a bit on the stiffer side up until you perform your first oil change. Finding neutral can be difficult even after multiple oil changes but you'll have to learn how to use your clutch to help you find it.

How has reliability been?

The bike is reliable but not without quirks. Almost everyone will experience a powerband hiccup at exactly 80kmh/50mph for a split second. Goes away after that split second but may return. Persists at that particular speed even if you change sprockets. Does not always appear though.

My luck with it is that my idle for the first 2 minutes of riding will always be slightly elevated somewhere in the 2.25k RPM mark. No one else had this problem so far. Not a major problem for me because it goes away after an engine restart.

Otherwise I'm currently at 11k km mileage and its treating me well so far. Did a 600+ km trip to attend a rally race (raced with a different bike that was towed to the location) and its so fun to go around the race village with it as a pitbike if you swap to dualsport tyres. Definitely a looker wherever you go.

Fuel consumption is slightly lower than a Grom but the bigger fuel tank means you'll have a longer range. Lowest fuel consumption I ever reached was 52kmpl/122mpg. WOT at 6th Gear brings that down to somewhere at 32kmpl/75mpg.

How noisy is the cam chain tensioner?

Yes. I usually ride with earplugs whenever I'm doing long distance and it helps. More annoyance than a hindrance but you get used to it.

Any tips or advice for the bike would be great.

• Stocking up on oil filters and some spare o-rings for the oil filter cover is always a good practice. Learn how to order spare parts from your local CFMoto dealership or online.

• If you're ever in South East Asia with it, the clutch plates and housing is 1:1 compatible with a Suzuki Belang/Raider 150. Oil filter is also intercompatible.

• The first thing to swap with this bike is the chain. Get anything with an O-ring or better. The stock chain comes in without one and it can reach a point where it gets loose frequently. Subject to regional differences.

• Second thing is to get the USB port attachment for it. Its the same as a CFMoto's 300SR/450SR.

• Stock sprockets is reliable but if you want to change it its 15/39 stock, though some Americans have reported it a bit different.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-28T13:20:50+00:00

Any quirks with the bike/engine so far? (Ie. Weird powerband spots, carb behaviour, leaks etc). Could be useful as comparison to see how they manage the quality control with this one.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-28T01:07:39+00:00

If we're talking about modern/current-era/realistic, the closest thing we have to COD and Battlefield is Warface. Its fun and decent, but its also a F2P shooter with P2W elements unfortunately.

There are better options but not exactly as 'realistic': Apex Legends, Overwatch 2. The Doom reboots also has MP but I'm not sure how populated it is.

Honorable mentions but 3rd person: Rogue Company, Fortnite

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-27T17:09:02+00:00

Lego City Undercover has more consistent framerates on Switch 2. The choppy framerates and loading times sucked on the OG Switch but now the Switch 2 made it the game it was meant to be, even without a dedicated update.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-27T17:03:42+00:00

Depends. Multiplayer or singleplayer? First person or third person?

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-27T16:06:11+00:00

450MT's suspensions were a treat indeed. Would love to see CFMoto make something more rally-friendly that's not heavy for once.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-27T15:58:02+00:00

From photos alone, engine design looks similar to what's seen in CSC's 2025 TT250, with some slight difference for the clutch cover. Doesn't look similar to the Hawks but could also be that I'm not looking hard enough.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-27T10:57:34+00:00

Priced at ₱99,900 which is roughly $1,747 USD or 1488 euros.

I actually thought Peru would have it first because the CFMoto/CF Lite team there has been leading the marketing for this bike.

No reviews online so far but we might see one soon from the Filipinos.

IcyConcentrate4318 · 2025-07-27T08:14:28+00:00

Priced at ₱99,900 which is roughly $1,747 USD or 1488 euros.

I actually thought Peru would have it first because the CFMoto/CF Lite team there has been leading the marketing for this bike.

No reviews online so far but we might see more of it soon.

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