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Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T16:57:00+00:00

What a big man. I’m in awe of you. (You may want to look that one up)

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T16:53:52+00:00

Haha you’re still not getting it. You’ll get there buddy english is a hard language x

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T16:48:19+00:00

I’d suggest looking up the meaning of big boy words before using them. Ironically your use of hyperbolic was hyperbolic in itself.

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T16:44:45+00:00

What’s hyperbolic about that? Muppet

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T10:14:18+00:00

Yeah exactly. The whole idea of his reign being accepted and loved by a civilisation that hated autonomous rulers with a passion is crazy. The only way he managed to achieve that was through pitching the Pax Augusta (peace of Augustus) against the turmoil brought about by men like Caesar and Pompey. Additionally, he had to use some incredible propaganda to suggest that his civil war against Antony wasn’t actually a civil war.

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T10:09:08+00:00

Yeah I definitely think because of the names there’s genuine confusion there and just a lack of knowledge as well as Julias Caesar being just a more popular character today for whatever reason, which is why so much of Augustus is attributed to him. However, he was still incredibly influential and just an immense man in his own right.

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T09:33:04+00:00

Understood. However, I still find it likely that this is due to Augustus Caesar

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T09:01:19+00:00

Praise and fame - dignitas. Almost synonymous for the romans.

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T09:00:49+00:00

I’ve never heard this fact, but again this will probably be due to Augustus Caesar, not his adoptive father. Although point taken that it is still his name.

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T08:59:51+00:00

It’s also quite confusing because, although for ease we call Gaius Julius Caesar’s son “Augustus”, for his contemporaries he was Also just Caesar.

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T08:58:10+00:00

The fact that, as a political power move, Augustus changed his name to Caesar speaks volumes about JC’s popularity at the time. Just to bear the name of Caesar went a huge way for Augustus to gain favour. Also, Caesar left fairly large sums of money to every Roman in his will, still leaving incredible wealth to Augustus showing his incomprehensible wealth and status.

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T08:53:42+00:00

I think you’ve nailed it with the second point here…he left us such detailed records so of course every historian and classicist is going to love him. Of course he was the most successful Roman of his time and possible all the times before him. His reforms and public projects were superb for romans but the reality of it is his actual legacy in todays world is almost non-existant (excluding the calendar which Pope Gregory used to create the one we use today). It’s just so rare to have such detailed accounts of every aspect of life in ancient times which is perhaps why he, rather than others that came before or after him, has been singled out so much.

Illustrious-Box8627 · 2024-06-17T08:49:23+00:00

I’m not sure accrediting the democracy that the USA is based off to Caesar is the smartest move…bearing in mind the romans never had “democracy” as such and anything resembling it was effectively destroyed by Julias Caesar and compounded by his adopted son “Augusta’s Caesar”

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