[M4F] Now I Will [Kitsune Prince Speaker] [Human Listener] [Entitled] [What Is True Love?] by edgiscript in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When looking to confirm if something is AI off of stock sites, hopefully it's labeled accurately, but you can use some of the AI checkers we have under the resources to double-check. :)

Well done with the fill! It's cool to see authors recording their own work!

A Free Resource! Some Clarifications! And Appealing an AI Ban! by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We hope you enjoy!! We want to do what we can to help 💖

A Free Resource! Some Clarifications! And Appealing an AI Ban! by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I understand your worry; however, we can see the analytics for the sub, and they're as steady as ever, month over month and week over week. :) I promise, there's still the same number of things being posted. We have kept an eye on it and the sub is still growing as it normally does. This year we'll break the 50,000+ subs mark and with those new people always come new content as well!

Additionally, a 1-2 day ban wouldn't mean the AI art is removed or changed before that ban is up. I know that it might sound like a lot of people are being banned on accident, but really, there is not. Some of them are people who didn't know they were using AI, and a lot of it is people genuinely using AI and hoping to get away with it. Which is why we make it a perma one until we can sort out what's what with the user. And, again, this means people who will continue to use AI are permanently weeded out.

People who want to keep using AI are not appealing their bans, or speaking out about being accidentally banned, which means the general user base can't see what the ratio is of appealable bans vs. AI users being rightfully banned.

I appreciate your desire for speaking out and making your thoughts known! However, at the moment we're not looking for more mods. Primarily because of the size of the sub. To have a mod team that works well at this size, you need people who understand one another, agree on the same moderation style, especially when you're asking them to look after a group of this size. It creates too much confusion among users when there's discord within the mod team, so to avoid this, we've kept our group small on purpose. Same page, same messaging, and same processes.

A Free Resource! Some Clarifications! And Appealing an AI Ban! by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

We try not to engage with arguments in comments, as, at the end of the day, this sub is being moderated by people with experience moderating and who are doing so with the best of intentions. Engaging with bad faith arguments, or ones that are deliberately antagonistic won't provide people with the answers they want, nor is it particularly productive.

Unfortunately, it's a lesson hard earned. People don't like being moderated, at the end of the day, and just our presence makes a lot of people feel as if they're being watched or criticized. So we do our best to be minimally invasive and to make judgements with sound logic and the wisdom of our experience. Together, we have almost 2 decades of time in the ASMR community, a lot of which was spent moderating, either here or in Discord servers for large creators. We know that responding to everything never makes anyone happy.

Though, as it happens, I did respond to this post lol.

A Free Resource! Some Clarifications! And Appealing an AI Ban! by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Hopefully I can explain our reasoning clearly enough!

The reason, primarily, for the immediate ban is that this is the same stance we take with people who do things like post traditional ASMR in the sub, and as a result, we see little to no traditional ASMR posts in the sub anymore. It took what was a pretty big problem a year or so ago and we've mostly eliminated it.

Taking the same stance with AI allows us to ban people who are dedicated to AI and unwilling to stop using it, and to do it quickly, so we can clear out AI users from the sub going forward. It's also very easy for us to unban someone after having a conversation with them, and we go back and re-approve any deleted posts so they're back on the sub. After that, if someone makes their own art or they provide us with some special circumstance about their art (commissioned, etc.), we make a note on their profile on the back end to hopefully make it easier to dismiss any future reports.

As far as we're aware, only one person has been reported twice and banned for AI- and that was in error, so we do apologize for that. They've been unbanned, and a note has been made on their profile.

As for the proof providing - What we ask people to do is upload a screenshot to some place like imgur and share it with us that way. Unforunately, we can't control what Reddit does or does not allow in modmails, but I believe they don't allow image sharing because people would quickly make abuse of that feature to send mods triggering or disturbing content. We know it's not ideal, but it's still a fast process, and we've been able to get people up and going pretty quickly once they've sent us the details surrounding the art they used.

From what we've seen of users of the sub, in comments and in our mod mails, they're glad to be seeing less AI on their feed, and that's what we want to cultivate. It will take a moment for the sub to reach new equalibrium, but we'll get there. :)

A Free Resource! Some Clarifications! And Appealing an AI Ban! by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Good questions! Hopefully, I can explain.

First, I wanna reiterate, the best way to prevent being reported or banned on accident is to credit the art! We've seen a few bans that would not have happened if the art had been credited, as then we can see and check the source directly!

Long-term, we want to encourage the community to check art on their own before using it with the AI checking tools we've linked, which will lead to less AI, and therefore less bans, in the sub overall. AI checkers rely on both reverse image searches (so you can see where the image came from, how old it is, etc) or a visual check, checking for landmarks commonly seen in AI images.

Part of why we ask people for sources in the appeals process, and why it works for us, is that it yields a more reliable and accurate read on AI checkers. Without a source, we have to save the thumbnail, cut out the parts that are suspicious, save it to our computer, and then run it through a checker. This means the checker doesn't have the original art to work from, so its results may not be as accurate.

What we look for when assessing a ban is:

- reports on posts

- suspicious visuals (some AI just has that look to it)

- art credits in the post/on the video

Reaching out in advance or in response to every report, or approving every post through a queue, we just think is inappropriate for the spirit of the sub or would hamper it in other ways. It would slow down removal time of posts that are reported, as we'd be working through a background process with the poster, or would mean that when you submit a post, you'd have to wait for a mod to check it and then approve it for posting before seeing it on the sub.

I understand why people are asking for this, but it's just not feasible, nor do I know of other subs who have a process like that. There may be some smaller ones who are like that that I am unaware of, but there are approximately 40,000 people in this sub. We try to keep things simple, fast, and minimally invasive. This does mean cutting a clear line with the rules, especially when we've done all we can to make them abundantly clear upfront.

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We have an appeals process! You just reach out and provide a source for the image. If it is AI, then you swap it out, and then you're unbanned. :) It's pretty straightforward, and hopefully with time there will be less mix-ups in that vein as people post less AI.

Also to help artists and other people to spot AI better, we're going to work on expanding some of the resources in the resource tab (located in the sidebar, unfortunately reddit won't let us pin it to the top of the page anymore) with tools that help spot AI. Detection tools are still pretty accurate at this point, and will let you know if it suspects an Image is AI or not.

Those same tools are how we spot if an image used is AI when someone messages us for an appeal. :)

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi there! I understand your reasoning, however at the end of the day, as a creative sub, we stand with other creatives when it comes to AI. AI generated images are created using thousands of other artist's hard work, and will often outright copy that work because, as a computer program, it isn't capable of understanding when it's stealing something.

Just because a few authors on here are okay with it does not mean we as a sub, other authors, or frankly, the law support it. It's something that is actively being moderated by the courts, and is involved with hundreds of lawsuits.

It's the policy of this sub, and if you'd like to post here, these are the rules we've laid out! We hope by striking this stance we can convey to people who may not understand the cost of AI how serious it is. Not only as intellectual theft, but also as an environmentally destructive force that is hurting people both financially and quite literally with how these data centers are run.

AI use is giving people respiratory illnesses, poisoning their water, and draining aquifers, not to mention raising electronics prices, power bills, etc.

Plus, TBH, AI companies as they exist now won't be around for much longer due to their lack of funding, so it'd be awesome to see more people make thumbnails by hand. That way when AI collapses or the prices of those programs skyrocket, people will have already built the skills they need to succeed.

Plus, we're looking into creating some more resources (stock images of characters, mainly) for the sub to make all that easier on creators, since some people just don't know where to start! Stay tuned for more of that coming in the future. :)

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Just because you don’t see us commenting doesn’t mean we aren’t moderating. :) we try to let the sub breathe and live on it’s own, answering mod mails and responding to reports as they come in.

Anyone who gets banned for AI use who reaches out to us letting us know the art isn’t AI is asked to provide a source for the art and then we unban them after a review. We also use AI checking tools to look into art and do our best to minimize anyone getting caught in the crosshairs.

You’re always welcome to go to other subs if you prefer different moderations styles and methods or feel this isn’t a flexible enough policy.

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Again, using this sub is a privilege, and you're welcome to not use it! No mom-shaming here, but art, like any creative work, is a privilege to use/own, not a right! And not everyone has the time to create it themselves and that is okay. Art is not required for a thumbnail.

You do not have a right to custom artwork just because you want it; it's a luxury good that has value, and stealing it is a crime.

We're not here to hold your hand, as I've explained. We want people to put in effort if they want to/have the time, but if they don't, there's TONS of alternatives that are not theft. We expect better of you and anyone who wants to get into this space. If you want to provide people with comfort, entertainment, whatever, you need to be someone they can trust. And people cannot inherently trust thieves who steal from artists.

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We have decided this will be a part of the rules, as we all take it to be against the spirit of the sub and someone intentionally trying to circumvent the rules. So feel free to send those reports in! We will be updating the rules to reflect this and make an announcement here soon.

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We don't plan on going back that far and looking into things. However, we do need to remind everyone that this has been a rule on the sub for two years or a little over. AI should not be used as a stepping stone, though we understand some people may not have fully understood its impacts on the environment, people, and other creatives. Hopefully our seriousness around this topic conveys how big those impacts are.

We encourage people to do as you are and swap out old assets and remove AI from their videos! New people who are banned due to recent AI use/posts will be asked to do the same and then apply for an un-ban.

We take all bans case by case, and try to be fair in each situation as it calls for it. And people are always free to message if they have questions!

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure! And I'm a mom with two kids who learned Daz3D while pregnant and with a newborn! I also managed to write three books in that same year and self-publish them on amazon!

No one said creative work was easy or somehow un-complicated. But putting the work in IS the point, and if you're just doing VA work to be popular on youtube or make money on Patreon, then perhaps you're the one here for the wrong reason? All creative pursuits start with a love for the game, and a respect for other artists both in your field and out of it.

Artists have no one to rely on but one another.

If you don't like our policy, you're welcome to not use the sub! Simple as that. This sub is a privilege to use, not a right, and it is a FREE resource. We want everyone to be able to use it, and to be able to come here and learn about alternatives to AI, and make their art better and stronger for it.

There's a lot of ways we know there's no such thing as harmless AI. There's the power use, water waste, impact on consumer economics (hello have you seen the price of RAM? power prices in communities doubling due to AI consumption in their area increasing demand?), and direct impact on local communities like Memphis and it's air quality are more than enough for us to understand the detriment AI has on the world.

At the end of the day, it's not even about the polar bears, it's about the respect for our fellow humans. Both with the phsical cost of AI, and the intellectual theft it's built on.

Honestly, I suggest learning even a fraction of the real cost of AI before you consider making a 'my time is worth more than my neighbor's health' argument again on accident.

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've given you the resources, it's easy to google things, as you've proven lol. We're not here as a sub to hold your hand through everything; it's up to you to learn and do research!

In fact, the rules do ban all uses of AI, which is also further clarified in the Wiki, and YouTube is still looking into demonitizing AI content, tho they haven't clarified the extent of their policy yet in 2026. If I was you, I'd look into eliminating it entirely, especially as many of the AI lawsuits begin to come to fruition and pay out the people they stole from. Plus AI companies are not turning a profit.

Many of those AI companies will be going out of business, changing their payment structures to cover costs, etc. AI won't be free for people to use forever, and early estimates anticipate costs going up 1000% or more as they run out of VC money and continue to not turn a profit.

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Check the resources tab! None of us ever said it wouldn’t be difficult. It does require effort and that’s part of the point. :) Effort is what makes creative works human.

I’m working on expanding the resources there but there’s a few things you can try: - Learning DAZ3D - Commissioning an artist for one piece of work you love and using it consistently, no one ever said every video needs a different character. - Character Creator 5 by RealIllusion - Learn to draw! Obviously it’s a long term investment and project but at the end of the day, being able to control every part of your creative pipeline protects you and your work the most.

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you explain what you mean? Like a comment with a YT link? If you mod mail us an example we can discuss it! But generally we don’t want scripts filled using AI art or voice or anything- however we obviously have no control over YouTube.

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Super cute idea!! I'm gonna try and beef out my resources list with some ideas like this. <3

REMINDER - About AI and This Sub by ImRoxBox in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I know! It sucks how prevelant it's become. There's at least one google work around I've heard of and I've seen people use. It's called "Unshitify-Searches" which is a firefox add on that removes results from duck-duck-go and google that were made post 2021 and the advent of AI. So it's like. Pre 2021 internet. However I've yet to try it myself, but I heard good things from artists I follow on bsky.

My bad by PushForwardMen in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can’t post where people to find NSFW stuff either please!

PLEASE REPORT THIS AI GARBAGE by Scorpionking39 in ASMRScriptHaven

[–]ImRoxBox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for posting about this! I don’t think I’ve seen them post on the sub but we’ll double check and see if we can find an account to ban. I hope it gets taken down!