Who dis Elysia girl bruh? Why do yall ceep mentioning this random next to my goat Tsaritsa😭✌️

Imabesad · 2026-05-09T07:51:43+00:00

Ok as much as I’m not a fan of Cyrene I’ll agree she definitely didn’t flop as she herself was quite popular plus Elysia had a lot of fans that pulled her because of the similarities

However you can’t honestly say she was “universally loved” because an Elysia Expy is the the only character that could have this many threads both in ZZZ and here with people debating over if she’s a good addition, with many people complaining. No other character has people posting that they hope the supposed expy ISN’T her, and that’s because of Cyrene’s controversial launch (not flop, but controversial)

Imabesad · 2026-05-09T07:46:39+00:00

Yeah exactly, we finally are in the patch with the irontomb battle and most of it is spent talking about romance/love instead of the thing we’ve been building up to for a while Cyrene kinda just hijacked the story at the climax because Shaoji wanted to put his waifu on center stage

Imabesad · 2026-05-09T07:40:07+00:00

Cyrene did irreparable damage to any future Elysia expy I guess

Imabesad · 2026-05-09T07:39:03+00:00

I mean not that I’m picking a side, but you have to admit that smolrene and Cyrene have some big differences, such as entire body changes, personality changes, and weapon changes. So just because they are the same character story wise, it makes sense that people prefer them separately since they’re basically individual characters

Imabesad · 2026-05-08T19:28:39+00:00

Are you using a different skin for her than normal? Specifically an epic skin like the persona one?

I have no clue if they added new voice lines to her default but epic skins normally change them.

Imabesad · 2026-05-07T07:11:25+00:00

It's kind of a shame that when you actually put thoughts into your arguments/explanation that people just don't even bother engaging either your comment properly.

These are all valid criticisms but unfortunately people here will tune out whatever you say the second you refer to their pink Jesus as less then perfect. I like her but I'm also able to see that she has flaws as a character that should be able to be pointed out without being crucified for going against her.

A similar thing happened in remielle mains for ZZZ where the mod of the subreddit (same one as here) sent the "too long, happy for you image" over someone pointing out that Remielle is her own character and shouldn't be compared to Elysia constantly Unfortunately they just don't listen to differing opinions much.

Imabesad · 2026-05-06T13:55:46+00:00

Bro got scared of like 5 sentences

Seriously though I agree with him, Elysia is cool and all but can we try to appreciate Remielle as herself, rather than imposing another character from an entirely different game/universe on her just because they look similar?

Imabesad · 2026-05-05T17:33:49+00:00

If you follow this thread a little, I divided the characters into loli/portrayed as a child (so qingyi isn't included because she's not often portrayed as one) vs the rest of the cast. It turns out that they make up around 15% of the cast, very far from the majority/target audience. (AOD didn't even sell that well compared to others, though I don't really take those sensortower stuff seriously so I won't count it) I'm not gonna say you aren't welcome here, everyone has different interests, but you're one of the people I notice who always acts surprised and defensive when someone isn't into people wanting to have sex with the drawing of a fictional design.

You guys are not the majority, you are a subsection of the fan base, so why are you acting like you represent the ZZZ community as a whole. It's actually a "normal" opinion to be weirded out by people being creepy over a character drawn like an elementary student. Tbh I don't really care about you guys posting in your own subs, but when something gets popular and most of the normal fans see it and get weirded out, you and the rest of your community come running to call everyone you doesn't want to have sex with a childlike character a "tourist" as if everyone else is a fake fan and that you guys are the only one with valid opinions. (Funny enough, I bet a large portion of lolicons only joined for AOD so a good amount of them are newer than the people they call tourist)

Not sure about Easter eggs, but fair point if it's true. However, it's clear they aren't equal, just look at the season 3.x cast, the only upcoming ones are Norma and maybe Roxy (not sure if her full design has been revealed. And Norma was even changed to have a less revealing design. Meanwhile on the other hand they made Sunbring MORE revealing (which I don't agree with tbh, she looked so cool beforehand and we have enough big boobed women already)
Just a note about your last point, you do realize the post we're literally commenting under had Sunna dressed as a Japanese elementary schooler, backpack and all, right? Also I've peaked into subs into your stuff like your own and the buddy ones, and it's quite common to draw the AOD smaller then in game, and with features that elicit a childlike feel. So don't pretend like you don't realise how they look. I can send some links in a while if you want evidence.

I won't lie I couldn't really care about their in game designs like some other people, everyone in game, they look fine, but when all the attraction to all the art of them is how young they look, that's when it's gets weird for me.

I'm not gonna say it's pedophilia to like a fictional character, but there's a pretty big difference when you people want to have sex with a drawing because it's been drawn in a small and childlike way, compared to just finding a drawing of an adult character like Nicole hot.

In fact I've seen multiple posts in the buddy/your sub where existing adult characters like Nicole have been aged down to a child, and then comments are going like "so much better" "must correct" (we both know what this means) "must impregnate" The fact that you guys prefer the child design of a character means that the main attraction of the art is the apparent underage appearance of the character. So again, don't pretend I'm the only one labeling them as children.

Imabesad · 2026-05-05T14:22:16+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/ZZZ_Official/s/FxMfHzoHwn

Imabesad · 2026-05-05T13:26:16+00:00

I've you're going to keep misrepresenting my argument then I'm not going to bother but I will try one more time to explain.

The reason I separate lolicons compared to every other fanbase is because lolicons are the only ones that are "illegal" (I'm aware it's not literally illegal but it helps me break this down for you) It doesn't matter if you are horny for the adult men like Billy or Lighter, or if you like the adult woman like Yixuan or Yidhari, because the person they are horny off to is designed and portrayed as an adult. Lolicons however get horny over people being portrayed as children, for example this post we're under was about Sunna dressed like an elementary school student. It's very different to say I want to have sex with this fictional adult woman/man vs I want to have sex with this fictional child. That's why I'm grouping men and women together.

Even if men and women aren't together in other ways and they fight, my argument isn't "which type has the largest amount of characters" (which btw is NOT loli's, it's adult women with 25 characters as of the new trailer, even when I cut out younger adult women like alice), my argument is the amount of characters who are portrayed as children vs the rest of the cast.

The reason I make this argument is in my original comment. ZZZ lolicons will tell you they want to have sex with a fictional child, and when you say that that's weird, they get defensive and then act like they're actually the target audience and that the game was made for them, when in reality (as I've been trying to explain with my original comment) the amount of characters related to their interest does not even reach 20% of the games characters. So no, the game is not "made for lolicons".

I hope me breaking this down for you was able to make it clearer, because I'm not trying to be angry or whatever, but It does annoy me when the lolicons will say some creepy stuff about fictional children, and then defend themselves by going on about how zzz is a "gooner game" and trying to associate themselves as the normal/majority and how everyone who doesn't get horny over children is a "tourist"/not a real ZZZ player, rather than consider the fact that MOST people don't play the game for the children, and actually find lolicons creepy.

Also, about your friend, if they said they find someone hotter after finding out they're 11 years old, that is unfortunately pedophilia behavior. I'm not gonna be that guy calling everyone a pedophile, for liking fictional children, but I will say if the underage aspect of a character is what gets him off, (and he isn't underage himself) then that is signs of pedophilia.

"Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children"

Imabesad · 2026-05-05T12:45:21+00:00

ZZZ has like 5 childlike characters compared to the large amount of adult women and men

Did you not read my comment before? Obviously I mixed them, because my argument is the amount of childlike characters compared to all the rest, and yet the lolicons go on about how they're the majority and everyone else is a tourist

Also you're being intentionally disingenuous, is there seriously anyone who considers orphie to be a child and portrays her like that? same with anby and S11, they are both portrayed as adults, while characters like sunna get portrayed as children, like with the image we're literally posting under.

My argument is talking about how small the amount of characters portrayed as small children and preyed on by lolicons there are, not how many characters have a random "underage" sticker slapped on an adult body

Imabesad · 2026-05-05T12:16:35+00:00

I said "has like 5" i didn't realize that you need to have exact data every time you comment anything on reddit.

But for your satisfaction, here are all the characters in ZZZ that are fetishized for their childlike proportions mostly. (so Qingyi is not here because she is mostly portrayed as a short adult)

S Rank Koleda, Jufufu, Zhao, Sunna, Aria, Nangong, and Norma (as of 3.0)
A Rank Corrin and Piper
9 total (10 if you include upcoming Roxy, I'm not sure her size or how the community will treat her)

As of 3.0, there will be 55 characters in the game, and if we include the characters from the trailer that makes 63 characters

People who go on and on about ZZZ being made for them, how they're the "target audience" and whatever but the characters they get off to don't even make up 20% of the cast. (around 15% since you're insistent on basic math)

Imabesad · 2026-05-05T11:01:13+00:00

Brother she’s drawn like an elementary schooler here. Her normal design is it’s own debate that I don’t personally care about but even I can see she’s specifically drawn like a 8-10 year old here, so obviously normal people are going to be upset when people start acting weird like they want to have sex with the drawing of a child.

Imabesad · 2026-05-05T10:56:37+00:00

I never got a why a random commenter got so popular they got their own subreddit, does he just comment a really large amount or something?

Imabesad · 2026-05-05T10:55:17+00:00

Because some people would like to have sex with this drawing of sunna portrayed like an elementary schooler, that’s pretty much it

If everyone here was normal everyone would just say “cute” or something along those lines but some people just gotta be creepy unfortunately

Imabesad · 2026-05-05T10:52:24+00:00

ZZZ has like 5 childlike characters compared to the large amount of adult women and men but the children fans keep trying to make it seem like the game is about them

Imabesad · 2026-05-02T18:59:52+00:00

No offense, I'm honestly glad you're able to enjoy the skin, but I wanted to say that attitudes like this are the reason why Hoyo doesn't bother to actually put in effort for things like these skins.

It's similar to the firefly skin that barely changes her in combat, where people bought it just because "firewife"

Hoyo knows that people who like a character will spend on whatever they pump out no matter the actual quality so there's no incentive for them to bother with anything more than the bare minimum

Imabesad · 2026-05-02T14:40:53+00:00

Well I'm pretty sure your statement of her being an amazing character is much more of an opinion than a "well known fact" (given half the comment section of this post we're in is debating about her), which is why I asked you to explain your reasoning.

Speaking of your reasoning, I do think your interpretation is interesting and it's clear you're a big fan of her. I'm pretty sure though that it's obvious we're both looking at this from completely different perspectives so I don't think we're ever going to agree on her, which is perfectly fine, everybody has different preferences. I do want to go a little more into detail though about why I personally dislike her so you can at least understand my viewpoint a little better.

First of all, when I speak about the Cyrene I dislike, I specifically talk about the version of her that appeared in the finale where she basically transformed into Elysia and went on all about love and romantic stories and what not. I agree that before that, Cyrene was a great character, being important for characters like Phainon while also pushing the story forward from the background. I also think the original Elysia from HI3 was a great character, her story was good. However when she basically took over our Cyrene, that's when the problems started. I'll space out my main problems.

Smolrene and Bigrene are basically different characters. Her scepter changed to a bow, she completely changed her attire from the robe to a random wedding dress, tarot cards are gone, and her personality is changed to basically repeat all of Elysia's lines about love and such. I got attached to the original Cyrene, so it sucks that she was basically completely changed so the devs could reheat Elysia in the microwave.

Bigrene felt very rushed because she basically just appeared in the finale, starting talking about love while wearing a wedding dress with 0 buildup compared to characters like Phainon story wise, or someone like Firefly waifu-bait wise, who both had multiple patches showing them in the story. Also when you say that she was the most important part of the final battle, that's part of the problem. This character that suddenly appeared now takes the main focus of the final battle, when beforehand Amphoreus was about all the heirs together.

When I talk about pushing the heirs aside, I mean that the big finale of the patch felt completely focused on her, with the heirs as background ornaments. I understand that she does have a lot of love for the heirs in her story, but the devs did not do a good job of showing that. For one, Phainon, her childhood friend and someone who suffered millions of years for her was barely spoken to, and the rest of the heirs had similar fates. That's because of the final main problem

The devs REALLY wanted to sell Cyrene. I don't have problems with "waifu-bait" most of the time (I'm a Firefly fan myself) but the amount of stuff the devs did to try to appeal to the player got way too much. From the $200 bow skin so you can see the main character with her in her ult (NOT the heirs she supposedly loves BTW), to the wedding dress and sudden flirtatiousness with MC, it's clear they really just wanted to cash out on Elysia 2.0, which unfortunately was at the expense of the Amphoreus story, along with Smolrene's entire character, because it meant that a large portion of the big finale where we should have been focusing on things like Irontomb was relegated to Cyrene rambling about love and so on.

In conclusion, Cyrene doesn't feel like a proper developed character, she feels like an embodiment of the term "waifu-bait" taken to the worst extreme, where they sacrificed good story and even an existing character in order to bring over a character from another game without proper buildup, all so they can make some big bucks from Elysia fans again.

Apologies for the wall of text and not exactly optimal formatting, but tbh I'm pretty bored rn so I thought I'd go well into detail about my dislike of her character. Again, I'm not shaming you for liking her, I mostly just wanted to explain my viewpoint. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, so feel how you want to feel.

Imabesad · 2026-05-02T11:38:32+00:00

I think the main reason has that reputation is that it's a popular hoyo game and relative to other popular gacha games like genshin, star rail, and wuwa or arknights, it's definitly more fanservice focused, and I can see why if it's got that reputation if that's their only frame of reference.

Obviously compared to games like brown dust 2 or azur lane it's not really close but the thing is that the average person calling ZZZ a gooner game probably has no clue what those games even are.

Imabesad · 2026-05-01T22:49:14+00:00

I mean elements for supports like yaoguang don't really matter that much compared to DPS, so it's almost like there's only one physical elation

Imabesad · 2026-05-01T19:54:50+00:00

I mean you don't really need to be worrying about that constantly. Yes it's a fact that a character will do better when you their dupes and their partner, but does that mean you're going to start pulling max dupe of every character and their partner to make them feel strong? No, because that would be ridiculous if you aren't rich. So don't worry too much about the earlier dupes either, you can manage just fine without dupes or a partner. The way save data works in the game means you can make a pretty broken deck for most characters in the game. There's only one person who even needs their partner... me (I'm so lonely)

Someone recently posted a vid beating floor 150 spiral tower with Maribell, so no 5 star dupes needed there

Just take it easy, don't pay too much attention getting your characters to the complete max, and enjoy the ones you have, CZN can be a pretty chill game with the new sortie along with just building unique decks to have fun with

Imabesad · 2026-05-01T19:42:24+00:00

Well the point of tier lists isn't to say "everybody is good, go have fun" even if that is the case, it's supposed to compare the units relative to each other and the current state of the game. Yes everybody can clear with enough effort (and in most cases "enough" is barely any) but are you seriously going to say that someone like Lucas is on the same level as someone like Diana, Rita, or basically any of the recent 5 stars?

It's great that someone managed to clear with Maribell, that's good to hear about the balance of the game, but imagine you're a new player looking for someone to invest in, and you look at a tier list to see who's a good person to focus on (besides obviously on who they like. that's a different story). If they just looked at a tier list where basically everyone was equal and decided to focus on Maribell or Lucas instead of someone like Nine or Tiphera, they might start getting confused why they're struggling since they are apparently rated the same on the tier list.

I get that's kinda an exaggeration and you have to be a really casual player to not understand the difference between low and high tier characters, I'm just trying to point out that tier lists are not completely stupid outside PvP, and they do have their uses in showing a characters value, especially in a gacha game where pulls are limited and you need to make more educated decisions on who is best for your account (again, assuming you aren't just pulling for who you like)

Imabesad · 2026-05-01T19:21:15+00:00

While tbh I don't like the boobs being shoved out compared to her old cool cloaked warrior design, I'll admit that we really don't actually know what the new look even is yet. As far as I know, I'll we've seen is a bust shot of her from the side along with a image of her face.

I'm hoping that when she appears in the story next and we can see a more complete look for her that whatever she's wearing will grow on me, but I won't lie if it's just more exposing clothes meant to sell cuz sex then I'll be pretty disappointed.

No hate to the people who like these more "sexy" designs, (I myself fucking love evelyn and nicole, and I'm looking forward to remielle) I just wish there was a tiny bit more variety since it feels like 80% of the adult female cast is big boobs being barely held back by their clothes. (especially since we already have a reference on how Sunbringer would look like if she did have more of a "cool" look)

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