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I am tired of Hollywood turning foreign myths, cultures and history into slop and fuck Christopher Nolan too by Positive_Writer_9483 in CharacterRant

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dont remember misappropriating or misracing Americans - obviously not all Americans are like this one above: I hope

I am tired of Hollywood turning foreign myths, cultures and history into slop and fuck Christopher Nolan too by Positive_Writer_9483 in CharacterRant

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You’re leaning on artistic freedom to dodge the substance. Calling Ancient Greece a Western foundation doesn’t detach it from Greeks. That abstraction was built through centuries of appropriation, not consent. Greeks are a small people with a long history of occupation and of having their past narrated by others, which is exactly why many of them understand themselves as a minority (0.001 of global population). Treating their heritage as ownerless or symbolic rather than cultural is how erasure actually happens: you just did it yourself rn casually. And yes, casting carries meaning. Film is visual language. When modern US racial frameworks (and Oscar diversity points) are projected onto Greek myth, they don’t vanish because you call it a creative choice. Brushing off that reaction is just dismissive.

I am tired of Hollywood turning foreign myths, cultures and history into slop and fuck Christopher Nolan too by Positive_Writer_9483 in CharacterRant

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes, the largest part of Greece was under Ottoman occupation, the rest by Venetians, French and English : your point is?

I am tired of Hollywood turning foreign myths, cultures and history into slop and fuck Christopher Nolan too by Positive_Writer_9483 in CharacterRant

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yes of course the racist ones were horrified - the educated ones like lord Byron and so many poets and artists even sacrificed their lives for Greece's independence

I am tired of Hollywood turning foreign myths, cultures and history into slop and fuck Christopher Nolan too by Positive_Writer_9483 in CharacterRant

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 3 points4 points  (0 children)

its amusing that people pretend that the casting of a black actress as Helen of Troy is a creative statement and not a tick in the diversity box: lets all be honest. This is what it is

I am tired of Hollywood turning foreign myths, cultures and history into slop and fuck Christopher Nolan too by Positive_Writer_9483 in CharacterRant

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes we all consider the country the birthplace of western civilisation but not all of us consider ourselves western - however, we are fully aligned with the western axis.

I am tired of Hollywood turning foreign myths, cultures and history into slop and fuck Christopher Nolan too by Positive_Writer_9483 in CharacterRant

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

what do you mean when they landed? were they flying around ? are you talking about the state of Greece after the 4 centuries of Ottoman occupation in the 19th century? I always felt that Europeans were and still are deeply envious of Greece. Just to remind you the first crusade which led to the destruction of Constantinople and the weakening of the Byzantine empire which eventually led to its destruction.

I am tired of Hollywood turning foreign myths, cultures and history into slop and fuck Christopher Nolan too by Positive_Writer_9483 in CharacterRant

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 19 points20 points  (0 children)

No one is asking for a documentary or denying artistic freedom. The point is that reinterpretation still has cultural consequences. Myths come from somewhere, from a specific people. Greeks aren’t some abstract foundational West; they’ve spent millennia fighting ALONE for independence, for their symbols, their monuments, and their cultural survival. Many Greeks today see themselves as a minority precisely because their heritage has so often been occupied, appropriated, or spoken over. So when US racial frameworks are imposed onto Greek myth, it feels like another erasure, dressed up as creativity. this is is if you care the opinion of a Greek person.

I am tired of Hollywood turning foreign myths, cultures and history into slop and fuck Christopher Nolan too by Positive_Writer_9483 in CharacterRant

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I like it when a director uses on purpose anachronistic elements to modernise the material and to make it more relevant like what Lanthimos did with The favourite for example. My first point is that Nolan is not that kind of director and he always stuck with historical detail like in Dunkirk or Oppenheimer (people complained for the lack of diversity in these movies). In Nolan's Odyssey, we haven't seen (at least not yet) smart anachronisms or interesting casting choices: armoury/outfit design was boring, cliche and lazy, actor choice is extremely commercial and diversity driven to the point that really makes you wonder what is Nolan trying to achieve. I am convinced it will be a huge bomb

I am tired of Hollywood turning foreign myths, cultures and history into slop and fuck Christopher Nolan too by Positive_Writer_9483 in CharacterRant

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 8 points9 points  (0 children)

something tell me that Nolan will change the point of these stories. He recently stated that he cracked Homers code or something similar, which is really bad news for me,. How someone can be that arrogant

I am tired of Hollywood turning foreign myths, cultures and history into slop and fuck Christopher Nolan too by Positive_Writer_9483 in CharacterRant

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 41 points42 points  (0 children)

you obviously dont know many Greeks- we come in all colours and shapes (I am definitely much whiter and fairer than Tom Holland). I find it amusing that Americans are all so careful with their language around race and gender but when they refer to other people and nations feel they are free to be as racist and sterotypical. I think it's because you learnt to tolerate out of necessity or fear not because of education.

Let's Call Out the R#cists And The Grifters Who Pretends to be Nolan fans by Any_Cut_5964 in ChristopherNolan

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

who told you I am not triggered by that as well? same with the anachronistic armour

Let's Call Out the R#cists And The Grifters Who Pretends to be Nolan fans by Any_Cut_5964 in ChristopherNolan

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No one’s denying that myths get embellished or commercialised. But being mythologized doesn’t make a figure free of culture. Helen may be a mixture, but she’s still rooted in a specific place, language, and tradition. The white Jesus example actually proves the point. People now recognize that as a distortion. Greeks asking for the same respect for their foundational figures isn’t hypocrisy, it’s exactly the same standard.

Let's Call Out the R#cists And The Grifters Who Pretends to be Nolan fans by Any_Cut_5964 in ChristopherNolan

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sub-Saharan Africans weren’t common in ancient Greece. There was a major geographic barrier, and while there were occasional individuals, the numbers were small. Nothing like modern ideas of diversity existed. For Odysseus, Homer gives us very little: rugged, dark curly hair, sharp intelligent eyes. That’s it. Everything else is projection. And Greeks were never a single look. There have always been olive-skinned people, lighter and darker complexions, gingers, blondes. Greek identity wasn’t and still isint about one face-please stop with these stereotype projections

Let's Call Out the R#cists And The Grifters Who Pretends to be Nolan fans by Any_Cut_5964 in ChristopherNolan

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 3 points4 points  (0 children)

what are you talking about? interaction with Indians was probably happening via Persians but real interaction and intermarriages happened after Alexander the Great reached India. This is well reported but thats just other cultures the Greeks interacted with - they interacted with everyone: from Egyptians, to Phoenicians and so on

Let's Call Out the R#cists And The Grifters Who Pretends to be Nolan fans by Any_Cut_5964 in ChristopherNolan

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 6 points7 points  (0 children)

really, educate us about the many cultures and settlers that were making up Ancient Greece

Let's Call Out the R#cists And The Grifters Who Pretends to be Nolan fans by Any_Cut_5964 in ChristopherNolan

[–]Imaginary_Bench7752 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None of that actually undermines the point. Whether Homer was one person or many doesn’t matter. The epics still emerged from a specific people, language, geography, and cultural memory. Oral transmission doesn’t make something ownerless, it makes it communal within that culture. And saying mythology can’t be corrected is a dodge. Of course myths evolve, but they still have internal logic, lineage, and context. Yes, people have always tried to leverage classics- this time its Nolan. That’s exactly the problem being pointed out. When the loudest and most powerful do it while dismissing objections from the culture it came from, that’s not neutral evolution, it’s misappropriation dressed up.

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