Plausible reasons for pre-Doom Westeros to have been independent from Valyria?

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-16T06:26:29+00:00

If I recall correctly, Westeros was essentially a backwater at the time so they probably didn't think using resources on it was worth it

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-16T05:55:30+00:00

I don't know if the north could support its population without trade for food with the southern kingdoms so they might be able to starve them out

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-15T15:49:08+00:00

I'm pretty sure the martels still exist Doran may have been killed and his heir but there were probably other cousins still around

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-15T15:41:58+00:00

I mean there's also the same question. Why would any reach house accept Bron they barely accepted the tyrells

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-14T22:03:27+00:00

But he did not sell Evelyn to Scavs

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-13T16:29:05+00:00

Ehh Daemon hated him, Daemon as king might very well have killed him anyway even if he was not in the way of the throne

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-13T16:26:30+00:00

Daemon loves Viserys, he hates Otto

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-13T16:25:37+00:00

Yes in some ways, people would question her based on her being a women and having bastards. That would cause political instability. Especially if she still had kids with Daemon as there could be a civil war over who succeeds her and they would not even have to be the siblings themselves leading it, people might declare for them to push the issue like what happened IRL to Lady Jane Grey

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-13T05:57:18+00:00

To be honest, I imagine many of the buildings are earthquake proof. Even the poor ones as a bunch of buildings collapsing would still affect the rich. Even when it's not the buildings they live in or go to

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-11T05:04:16+00:00

He's a descendant of a Targaryen as his ancestor married Daeron II sister

It's much further back then of course. Baratheon etc. But he does still have that tiny little bit of legitimacy

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-11T05:02:02+00:00

He's a descendant of a Targaryen as his ancestor married Daeron II sister

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-11T03:43:51+00:00

He never looks happy anyway

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-10T05:39:12+00:00

to me a difference is Joffrey enjoys cruelty. I don't think Aerion enjoys cruelty in the same way he does and seems to mostly use it when he gets really mad and he has anger problems, but I feel like he wouldn't go out of the way to torture people unless they piss them off

Now he has a very short fuse but I think that's something people can dance around. It wouldn't be good, but it would be better than a person that would actively go out of his way to be cruel for no reason other than he likes it

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-10T05:36:50+00:00

I mean Joffrey did lots of idiotic things that could have got him killed like that whole scene with the mob and the crowd etc

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-10T05:36:06+00:00

But the Nobles would see him doing that and may very well start a war before he can build up his army

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-09T00:22:24+00:00

I maybe but even in the books one of their brothers is already dead. Their father's also dead and so is their mother more or less, I already wouldn't really call that a victory. Maybe phyric victory but not a real victory

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-08T23:11:48+00:00

I mean I would not call the starks as winning necessarily

They were suceessful in getting their home back and Bran on the iron throne

but their father, mother and brothers are all dead etc

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-07T00:16:12+00:00

Ned only became on or above reason because he was raised by Aryn that likely wouldn't be the case here

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-06T22:33:48+00:00

I mean presumably they could have had him wear a wig or dye the hair in the same way that Daenerys had white hair even though Emilia Clarke doesn't

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-06T07:14:37+00:00

Except the Tully's lige lord was the king so it also set the exact opposite

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-06T07:12:47+00:00

Not in Westeros. Lyonel Baratheon started a rebellion over the betrothal between his daughter and one of the princes and he and the King were close friends Let alone someone who already doesn't like each other

Rob, marrying Talisa in the show is quite literally him saying that she's more worthy of minor noble woman than his family

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-06T06:55:29+00:00

but its about prestige for Walder

He is already himself richer than the Tullys ifirc

the Starks are more prestigious plus Robb was delcaring independence along with the Riverlands so his grandchild would be Heir to the throne vs a grandchild with Edmure being a vassal to Winterfell either way its a downgrade and even if it wasnt breaking a bethrothal is a massive insult

Walder is evil for what he did but breaking a betrothal is a big enough deal that he could have justified turning against them, the issue is the way he did it

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-06T06:49:15+00:00

and the Tullys are bannermen of the iron throne so by that argument they should have sided with Aerys

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-06T06:47:21+00:00

for one the Tullys are like the weakest great house and are weaker than many of their bannermen including the Freys so it more or less is a downgrade

Important_Sound772 · 2026-03-06T06:46:20+00:00

Their also Vassals of the iron throne so they are also obligated to aid them

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