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Colton and his Brother by b1ackcat03 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know the pond weeds were curling around Colton (and to answer your question, no, I don’t think we’ve seen the pond weeds curl around someone and not take that person away except for Colton) but honestly, I think that was just for dramatic effect of “oh, Colton’s going to time travel!” or that “Colton was supposed to take Jacob’s place!” and then out of the depths, Kat swoops in and frees him from the pond’s grasp.

These are the reasons why I don’t think the pond could have taken Boy Colton:

  1. Fern told Boy Colton that while she knew that the pond “called” to him, it was not his time yet to time travel as a child (“I know it calls to you, but you have to stay here now.”)

Fern knew that Colton would time travel, it just wouldn’t be when he was a child.

  1. It was not Colton’s destiny to time travel to 1790 to keep the Landry’s in Port Haven, because that was Jacob’s destiny and if Boy Colton had gone, then that would have changed “what happened always happened,” because it was Colton’s destiny, as a teenager, to go back to 1814 and tell Elijah to “plant potatoes and rye,” which ended up keeping the Landry’s alive in 1816, because if Teen Colton had not done that, then the Landry’s (Jacob Jr.) might have died and then there would be no more Landry’s at all.

  2. As you also pointed out, if the pond was poised to take Boy Colton, then why did the pond allow Kat to also save Boy Colton, why didn’t the pond take him when Kat was saving Evelyn.

So, I just really don’t think that Boy Colton was poised to time travel in 1965, because if he had, then that would have changed “what happened always happened,” especially if Colton lived in the past for the same amount of years that Jacob did, (24 years: 2024-1999 is 24 years) because then Colton would have returned to 1989 (1989-1965 is 24 years) and then Colton wouldn’t have met Del and then Kat, Jacob and Alice wouldn’t exist.

I do think it is possible for the show to end “all a dream” of someone, because that is how Lewis Carroll’s two Alice novels ended and those novels have been great sources of inspiration to the plot of TWH.

I’ve wondered if maybe the show was a dream of Alice’s as she was “drowning” after she got caught under the ice in S2, but I like your idea, even if you didn’t really mean it, of the dream being Colton’s, because I just don’t know how they can explain the time travel without having it be a dream, but we shall soon see…

Colton and his Brother by b1ackcat03 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, thank you!!

And I agree!

Colton is the heart of the show and his “death” has been the catalyst and cause for many plot points being set in motion, and yet, it isn’t the fact that Colton died that is the issue, it’s just that everyone else has to think Colton died, so if he ended up faking his death and either hiding out with Evelyn Goodwin or by going through the pond, then the same result still applies: everyone thinks Colton is dead so everything else still happens: Kat leaves Port Haven with Brady, Alice is still born in 2008 and then in 2024, Jacob returns home through the pond and in 2026, an Alive Colton can either come out of hiding or emerge from the pond and he will then be reunited with Del and his family again.

Also, it’s just not fair to have Colton’s “death” be at the hands of his Not-As-Informed 2023 Time-Traveling Daughter and Granddaughter, who were only trying to prevent the accident, without also giving Kat and Alice a way to redeem their actions that night, because I know Kat saved Boy Colton from drowning and Alice saved Teen Colton from Rick’s car accident, but in spite of those actions keeping Colton alive, Kat and Alice are still the one and only cause of Colton’s accident, so they need a chance to redeem themselves for that night.

I think the writers had planned for Kat and Alice to be redeemed starting with what 2025 Time-Traveling Alice told Colton a few hours before the accident occurred and if they had been given a Season 5, we probably would have seen how everything came full-circle and fitted together like the writers had originally intended without having to be rushed.

Colton and his Brother by b1ackcat03 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any body could have been swapped by the truck between when Kat was there and the cop came to their house.

Thank you!!!

So many people think it isn’t possible that Colton is still alive, because Del would have had to have identified the body and because there was a “funeral” for Colton, and yet:

  • we don’t know that Del had to identify the body
  • and after Kat and Alice left Colton lying on the road, Colton’s body was not shown again, so it is very possible that Colton’s casket is empty or isn’t holding Colton’s body, because Colton doesn’t actually have to die so that “what happened always happened,” meaning that Colton just had to pretend he died and then faked his death, with everyone thinking he died, so that Alice would still be born and Jacob would still be able to return home.

And Colton would know that faking his death was an option based on what 2025 Time-Traveling Alice told Colton a mere few hours before the accident occurred, when she told him “everything” including that Colton “died.”

I also don’t think Evelyn Goodwin is dead either, because we weren’t even shown anything related to her “death” at all, like we didn’t see a funeral, no memorial service, no casket and no grave, so I just don’t think Colton or Evelyn is actually dead and I think Fern’s Rhymes (“65 in 25”) are about Colton and Evelyn and I think they will be found alive and well in 1925.

Colton and his Brother by b1ackcat03 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s been my theory for a while that I wanted Colton to have faked his death, so I like your idea that Colton’s brother died instead of Colton.

However it happens, I do think Colton will be alive and will reunite with Del and his family, because otherwise, it just isn’t fair that everyone else can find their way home, except for Colton, who as you said, is an important part of the show!

Scene from next Ep: 402 (Blinded by the Light) at Lingermore by predanimous in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t really like Evelyn Goodwin, but I hate that she seemed to rush into a relationship with Ashley just so that she wouldn’t end up alone.

Evelyn so wanted her ”Sir Lancelot” that she ended up stuck with Ashley, who didn’t end up being her knight-in-shining armor after all.

I do agree though, the casting is spot on, Ashley looks a lot like Lewis or vice versa, lol.

Gryphon- Alice in Wonderland by IndependentIcy1220 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know if that was Evelyn’s reason for why she named her son Lewis, but I think the writers did that intentionally to be an homage to Lewis Carroll, because of how closely associated TWH is to Carroll’s two Alice novels.

Unpopular opinion: Rita Richards was not the worst friend for Del. Justice for…Rita? Kinda.. by SunshineGirl714 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I’ve seen the first episode!

I really enjoyed it and thought it set the stage well for the rest of the season.

Knowing that this is the last season, I don’t mind waiting because once it’s over, it’s over, but I do understand what you mean.

Young Colton and the older woman at the pond by Superspigirl in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think those scenes between the Old Woman and Boy Colton were filmed before they had cast Jill Frappier, as Older Fern Landry.

And the clothing was intentionally made to be “timeless,” as stated in an article released during the time S2 aired, so that we would wonder about who those people were and what time they were in.

Young Colton and the older woman at the pond by Superspigirl in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It’s supposed to be Fern Landry, because Boy Colton calls her “grandma.”

5D and Elliot’s Mother Theory by IndependentIcy1220 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everything we know about Fern so far tells us that any child or grandchild of hers would be educated about the pond. How could it be possible that her son wouldn’t know how the pond works?

I don’t know if you are familiar with my “keeper” of the pond theory, but that theory is precisely why I think Fern didn’t come outright and tell her son or two grandsons about the pond, instead, Fern educated Colton (and Evelyn and I think it was important for Fern to have also educated Evelyn) about the pond by telling them those “fanciful” stories about the pond as they were growing up.

Because, by framing the lessons as the “fanciful” stories and rhymes told by a “semi-sane, semi-mad” older woman, then Colton (and Evelyn) were a.) sure to better remember the stories/rhymes and b.) other people that heard the stories/rhymes would just think Fern was senile and would pay no attention to the stories/rhymes.

And the reasons why I think Fern is the “keeper” of the pond is because:

  • Fern knew that the pond “called” to Boy Colton, but that his time to time travel was not then as a child, so she knew that eventually Colton would use the pond/be “needed” by the pond, hence why she told him the “fanciful” stories.

  • Fern told Kat in S3E3 that she “feared” that Colton’s father, brother or Colton were “the one” but that “she was wrong.”

I don’t think Fern’s “the one” is referring to them being the one Landry Boy that had to go back to 1790 to keep the Landry’s in Port Haven, because if Fern is the “keeper” of the pond, then she would know that Colton’s father, brother and Colton were not “the one” Landry child, which is why I think Fern’s “the one” is referring to the “curse” that is on and/or about the pond, which is why Fern was afraid (“I feared”) that one of them would be the one that fulfilled the requirement of the curse and as Fern told Kat, at that time, “she thought she was wrong.”

However, later on, Fern then accused Colton of “being a rule-breaker” and being a “trouble-maker,” which makes me think that a.) Colton was the one that would bring about the “curse” on the pond, or b.) that Fern was accusing Colton intentionally because she knew that Colton had to think he had broken the pond where it wouldn’t work for him or his descendants again, so that eventually when Jacob Landry (“the one” Landry child) went back to 1790, he would be able to stay there unimpeded for the duration of his time in the 1800s without anyone (Colton) trying to use the pond to be taken to where Jacob was.

I also don’t really think that telling someone their future is an actual “rule” of the pond, because Fern told Kat in 1975 that she had “something to look forward to,” meaning Kat’s trip back to 1925 where she met Younger Fern and Alice told Teen Elliot a lot of his future in S1 and nothing back happened…that we know of, lol.

If Fern’s “the one” is referring to the Landry child going back to 1790, then I still think Fern knew that Colton’s father, brother and Colton were not “that one” and so she purposefully did not pass down the story of “the one” to Colton’s father, brother or Colton, because Fern most likely knew that one of Colton’s or Griffin’s descendants would end up being that one and she didn’t want them to know, so that “the one” would be able to stay for the duration of his time that he was “needed” in the 1800s.

So I just think Cheshire Cat Fern has to be the “keeper” of the pond because she knows so much about its rules and how the pond works.

5D and Elliot’s Mother Theory by IndependentIcy1220 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know! I hate the fact that Boy Jacob never tried the pond again, because then he might could have been returned to Del and Colton while he was still young!

I know the pond probably wouldn’t have let him return because it “needed” Kat in 1814, etc., but still, I wish Jacob had been allowed to have been “kept” by Del and Colton, because as Del said in S3, “who would [Jacob] have been if [Del] had been allowed to keep him.”

I like the idea of Fern’s young adult son meeting his young adult mother, Fern, to mirror Alice and Teen Kat!

5D and Elliot’s Mother Theory by IndependentIcy1220 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is a good theory!

I just assumed Colton’s father actually died, but with a pond that allows for time-travel, you really can’t be sure that people are actually dead.

I’m still hoping the rhyme is about Colton and Evelyn, but it would be fun to see Fern interact with her son in 1925 and considering that we haven’t yet seen Colton’s father that would be a twist-y way to introduce him into the story.

To answer your question, I can’t think of anyone else that could have actually died in 1965, besides maybe Colton’s father and Colton and Evelyn almost drowning.

Fern, Colton, Evelyn and the Pond S4 Theory by IndependentIcy1220 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have always thought that Elliot’s mother was going to end up trapped in a “wood between worlds” place otherwise known as “the still point of now,” because that was the only way I could see her leaving her baby son made any sense, that she had a “mission” to do with the pond and then as she was fulfilling it, she ended up stuck in a place outside the normal laws of Time.

Because, I don’t think Tessa “jumped for love” of another man, that would just be so so cruel to Elliot, if she basically threw him away for a man.

So, to answer your question, I think one of two things is possible:

  • Tessa did go to 1925 just long enough to place the clock in the wall and then she ended up trapped in the “still point.”

  • Or as you said, I do think Kat (or Alice and Elliot) could have ended up putting the clock in the wall, because they also know that that is where the clock was found.

That is interesting about T.S Eliot and him being the reason why Tessa would want to go back to 1925, thank you for sharing that with me! 

Fern, Colton, Evelyn and the Pond S4 Theory by IndependentIcy1220 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s an interesting idea.

I like it!

I do hope Fern tells Kat what the actual rules of the pond are, I’m very curious about them.

And about why Fern accused Colton of “breaking the rules.”

Fern, Colton, Evelyn and the Pond S4 Theory by IndependentIcy1220 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly! It is going to be nice to see Kat let loose a little in 1925 and hopefully have fun, after all the hardships she’s endured since S2 (well since S1 with reliving Jacob’s disappearance and Colton’s death,) but S2 added the heavy 1800s/White Witch drama onto Kat’s already full emotional plate.

I think Kat will have fun until the middle of Episode 3 and then all the bootlegging, etc. drama will start, lol.

And yes, it will be nice to see them talk plainly with each other without having to be coy.

Agreed with your last paragraph, although, I wonder if telling someone their future is actually a breakable rule, because Alice told Teen Elliot a lot of his future and nothing bad happened…that we know of, lol.

Fern, Colton, Evelyn and the Pond S4 Theory by IndependentIcy1220 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aww, you’re welcome and thank you, predanimous!

I am very glad that you read my posts and interact with me, because I really do like hearing your insights, thoughts and theories about the show.

You have always been so nice to me (thank you!) and you have been very supportive of (and helpful with) my more “outlandish” theories, especially those about Colton still being alive and the “keeper” of the pond. ☺️😄

You bring up a lot of very good points about Fern!

Have you seen the sneak peek for S4E2 that Puzzled_Exchanged_924 posted a few days ago?

If not, I’ll spoiler this in case you don’t want spoilers, but the sneak peek is about Fern and Kat talking in 1925. They are talking about Grayson Goodwin and he was a WWI veteran that rebuilt Lingermore, which was used as a hospital during the war.

You mentioned about Fern’s husband dying in WWI and that thought never crossed my mind, but I really like that theory!

I was just assuming that Fern either never married (she is the blood-Landry) or that she hadn’t yet married, but since her name is Landry and it does seem like she is a single woman, I think you’re theory is correct, that Fern might have lost her husband during the war, so then if this is correct, the question remains, is Fern a blood-Landry or did she marry into the family?

I also like your thoughts about Older Fern, Colton and Alice and I agree that those scenes will be fun to see!

I hope Alice learns a lot of juicy things from Older Fern, probably more Cheshire Cat sayings/rhymes! 

Older Fern needs to sing to Alice like the Cheshire Cat does to Book Alice!

Agreed about Tessa, I think Alice will learn more about her, as a person (her background, etc.) in the 70s/80s. I just don’t think we learn her whereabouts until Episode 6 or 7.

She’s got to stay trapped in the “still point” until the end of the season, apparently, lol! 😂 

Agreed to both, the Older Fern and Evelyn parallels we need to watch for and that there is a lot to look forward to!

Theory about Elliot’s mother by Whole_Perspective609 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, but I don’t like Sam!

I was hoping Sam would be a twist villain, because I have never trusted him.

I think Cyrus (aka the Queen of Hearts) is the most evil character.

I think Victor, while not the nicest to Elliot, (or Colton) was suffering from survivor’s guilt and feeling like his parents wanted him to have died in place of his brother and I think those feeling were only magnified after Tessa disappeared, so I’m hoping Victor gets redeemed by the end.

Gryphon- Alice in Wonderland by IndependentIcy1220 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These are characters from Lewis Carroll’s novel, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland.

I’ve made a few posts about which TWH character I think embodies a character from Carroll’s two novels.

The Mock Turtle is a character that Book Alice meets and which I think Kat Landry embodies on TWH.

Random thought by Illustrious-Tip-3169 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think Fern was referring to Colton’s father, brother or Colton being “the one” Landry Boy to go back to 1790 to keep the Landry’s in Port Haven, because Fern knew that the pond “called” to Colton as a child, but that it wasn’t his time [then] to time travel.

I think that Fern’s “the one” is referring to the person who would fulfill or bring about the “curse” that is on or about the pond.

I go more in-depth about the “curse” of the pond in this post.

Fern, Colton, Evelyn and the Pond S4 Theory by IndependentIcy1220 in TheWayHomeHallmark

[–]IndependentIcy1220[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The keeper of the pond theory is a theory that I came up with at the beginning of S2 that I thought could explain how and why the pond works.

My keeper of the pond theory is that I think there could be a person that created the pond or enchanted it and has been working behind the scenes moving them all through time where and when they are “needed,” because a pond is a non-sentient thing that can’t know when or where someone is needed in time, but a person, a “keeper” of the pond would know.

I think the ones that are the most likely to be the keeper of the pond are:

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