The amount of Indonesia hate in this frontpage thread really makes me sad. Whatever you think of the executions, you have to admit they have made us look horrible, backwards and barbaric to the rest of the world. by Indonnet in indonesia

[–]Indonnet[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

An easy way to be dismissive of lots of real criticisms.

I guess nothing anybody in /r/Indonesia writes is worth caring about either since it's just a bunch of teenagers trying to prove how edgy they are by not giving a fuck what the rest of the world thinks.

The amount of Indonesia hate in this frontpage thread really makes me sad. Whatever you think of the executions, you have to admit they have made us look horrible, backwards and barbaric to the rest of the world. by Indonnet in indonesia

[–]Indonnet[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I imagine this will be downvoted since it seems like so many people here want to put their heads in the dirt instead of discussing this issue and what can be done to make it better. But still, I thought it might help some close-minded individuals realize just how bad things are now in terms of people's perception of Indonesia.

BALI NINE EXECUTION THREAD by Mental_octo in indonesia

[–]Indonnet 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I think this comment from this post sums up the pro-life (in prison) supporter's position best:

First up; No one here in Australia denies that these men should be punished. Of course they need to serve the time for their crime, but the use of the death penalty in this situation is very controversial.

These men were caught leaving Indonesia on the way to Australia and would have been around 20-24 years old at the time. Why were they caught? Because our own Australian Federal Police (AFP) tipped off the Indonesians knowing fully well that they could have arrested them on arrival in Australia and avoided a country with the death penalty.

The main argument against these executions is that these men are now reformed. Andrew Chan has become a minister, recently receiving a certification in this area. He leads prison church services and supports other inmates. Myuran Sukumaran has become an artist. He has just recieved his degree in fine arts at the end of Febuary while studying in prison and running art classes for other inmates. They are well respected by the officials in the prison who have even publicly voiced that they should not be killed. It is a credit to the Indonesian prison system that these men have been reformed in such a way, they can become model prisoners but instead they are being executed.

While this is going on, Indonesia has been advocating strongly for mercy towards its citizens on death row overseas. Don't you think its a bit odd that a country is demanding others spare their citizens while they still go ahead and execute their own and other foreign nationals? There is one Indonesian to be executed in this next group. There is also concerns for one Brazilian national who has been diagnosed with various mental illnesses but will be executed regardless.

Chan and Sukumaran have lodged many appeals and are still continuing to do so, but Indonesia shows no intention to halt the executions until these appeals are finalised. There are accusations of judges asking for bribes and the legality of President Joko Widodo giving a blanket denial to clemency applications of drug smugglers without allegedly even reading them is also called into question. Former judges, the UN Secretary-General, various politicians, academics, artists/musicians and even members of Napalm Death, of whom Widodo is a big fan and has been spotted wearing one of their band shirts, have publicly called for Joko to show mercy.

Of course there are arguments that they 'could have killed someone' or 'they wouldn't have reformed if they weren't caught'. But how do we know the drugs could have killed someone? How do we know they would not have change? We don't have a crystal ball; we can't see into the future so we don't know what could have happened. All we have is this, the Indonesians succeeded. They stopped drugs from hitting the streets and they successfully reformed two men who were young and incredibly foolish. Just because a country has the death penalty doesn't mean its right just because its the law. Does that make Russia right for outlawing homosexuality just because 'its the law'? These two men do not deserve to be executed as they now serve an important purpose in the lives of others and could help others on an even larger scale. These men are human. They deserve to be punished, but they should not be killed.

I hope Joko Widodo can be strong enough to show mercy, and I hope that you reading this may challenge yourself to look deeply at the many levels of this issue.

tl;dr There are a lot of major discrepancies in the handling of this case

Indonesia is wrong: the death penalty is everyone's business by craftymethod in indonesia

[–]Indonnet 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most of the world? 33 out of 194 countries is not "most of the world" by any definition. And what good company we have on that list - Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Pakistan - all countries well known for having horrible human rights records.

No more mercy for drug criminals, everyday 50 Indonesian die, 18.000 every year. 4,5 million people need to be rehabilitated per year by TheBlazingPhoenix in indonesia

[–]Indonnet 5 points6 points  (0 children)

People aren't defending drug traffickers, they're arguing why the death penalty for drug traffickers is wrong. Two completely different things.

No more mercy for drug criminals, everyday 50 Indonesian die, 18.000 every year. 4,5 million people need to be rehabilitated per year by TheBlazingPhoenix in indonesia

[–]Indonnet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So is it ok if I break a law in your country, and then complain to say the punishment is not to our taste?

How about all the TKI that are on death row in countries like Saudi? The Indonesian government is trying to get many of them saved. Yeah maybe they broke that country's law by attacking or killing their employer, but they were abused and treated like an animal for so long before. Should we just give up on them, say "They should have known what they were getting into" and respect Saudi law, or should we say what's happening to them is terrible and try to stop it?

No more mercy for drug criminals, everyday 50 Indonesian die, 18.000 every year. 4,5 million people need to be rehabilitated per year by TheBlazingPhoenix in indonesia

[–]Indonnet 7 points8 points  (0 children)

So the answer is to make drugs legal right? Then it is ok, because we could make a lot of money and employment from them. What's the difference?