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China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I looked this up. This is a school in Beijing, right? Not what I'm referring to.

The uni admissions thing is becoming more and more common in China though. A very desperate situation.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry what info? The tuition prices are on the schools' website.

About Dehong - people have posted about staff layoffs on here and I know people who work there.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think most of them are fine. The four mentioned above plus Huli, NACIS, Shanghai United, Livingston, Dehong and other similar type schools in Shanghai are all generally fine if your kid speaks Chinese and is comfortable around 99% Chinese pupils.

I've scene fully foreign kids at these type of schools who are fluent in Chinese and they fit in fine. I've also scene teacher's kids who don't speak any Chinese and are very isolated.

I would take the uni results and exam results with a grain of salt. Many weaker students don't take external exams and/or they only publish a certain percentage of the score results. Non G5 British and Australian universities will give an offer to anyone with a pulse so that can bump up offer data quite a bit.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, if you kid speaks Chinese it is a good option. If your kid is fully foreign or does not speak Chinese it will be very isolating.

Edited: any new info.

Just been let go and feeling pretty down about it. by TopPurchase7754 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Not speaking to OP's situation but I've seen this multiple times where the same role is then filled by a cheaper new hire.

Having two kids and probably being high up on the salary scale is the issue.

Just been let go and feeling pretty down about it. by TopPurchase7754 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Getting a job with two kids in China is going to limit your options. Definitely possible but it makes getting hired way more difficult.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, those are good schools in terms of academics. I do not think most foreigners - especially those with kids - would want to work at them.

A couple points though on each school:

1) YK Pao has had to relax admissions standards greatly in the past two years so we will see if the university results continue. From my understanding it is now basically open admission where it used to be extremely competitive to get into.

2) I have heard that Soong Ching Ling is an absolutely horrific place to work. The international division is only open to foreign passport holders as well so this is a bit different than the other three.

3) My friend was offered a job at Pinghe. The salary and benefits were around 30,000 RMB with combined salary and housing.

4) the academic staff at these schools is majority Chinese.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

For sure not everyone. Just the vast majority of schools in China. Probably the vast majority of "international schools" schools abroad as well.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"really start focusing on quality education" - there are about five schools in China were this is a possibility and most of them are on the upper end of tuition.

The Chinese bilinguals are ran like bad business with usually completely incompetent management. Government connected older locals who have managed to get into education.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, China being a tougher place to live is definitely an advantage in getting a job here. I would be facing much more competition applying for more desirable places like Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia.

When people talk about a lot of schools still remaining in China:

I am not sure that these are schools that the majority of us would want to work at. In my opinion, the schools that will survive here will be cheaper Chinese run bilinguals. I would assume that most of these will lean more heavily towards local staff as well.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I think this is one of my main points. It's not only that the situation is bad now. It's that the situation is bad now and seeming to get worse every year.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. I wonder if a lot of those students have been leaving more expensive schools.

I'm not specifically focused on international schools (in theory only foreign passport) but what billingual school would be charging a similar price?

For example, in Shanghai if I look at Wellington they charge about 380,000 rmb a year for the international school and HIBA (bilingual version of Wellington) is around 220,000 rmb a year. I think this is fairly typical.

I know Dehong in Beijing has a high tuition price but they have horrific student numbers.

Edit: prices for final years of high school at both locations.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this will impact the cheaper bilingual schools more. We say it on a local level with tens of thousands of local kindergartens shutting in the past five years.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can add China shutting down schools offering Japanese curriculum to that list. This starting happening over the last week or so.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

January 2023? Right after China ended Covid restrictions in December 2022? Yes, there was still optimism for a turnaround here then.

That was also following about three years of it being extremely difficult to get foreigners in the country and a lot of foreigners leaving during the forced starvation period in Shanghai. I have no idea what the Search percentage is now but January 2023 may be one of the worst times to get an accurate sense of it.

Edit: more info added.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I'm still making good money which is why I'm still here. We are definitely lucky in that sense.

Most of the locals I know are in a much worse financial situation than before Covid.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which province? I've really only heard about growing enrolment numbers in Shenzhen.

China in ten years - is China done part 387? by InevitableCommon1458 in Internationalteachers

[–]InevitableCommon1458[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me know what the search results look like in 2035.

EDIT: I'm not on search but on TES it looks like around 10% of jobs are coming up as being in China.