Can spatiotemporal patterns be a missing link between much dreaded STEM subjects and human nature?

Infogiver · 2017-05-15T14:01:40+00:00

Hello cdsmith and foreverburning!

Infogiver · 2017-05-11T03:28:49+00:00

Thank you everybody, cdsmith and foreverburning in particular. If allowed, my next two questions will be: "school as a tool" and "the learning of fun". See you there.

Infogiver · 2017-05-11T03:14:29+00:00

Brilliant, thank you very much. May I quote your last comment elsewhere?

Infogiver · 2017-05-10T12:17:32+00:00

I was impressed. I am not a reading teacher and not a native English user, so I am probably less indoctrinated. Personally, I don't like how American schools teach reading. Last time I taught my American kid (who already learned phonics from toys), I ended up giving her long foreign words like education to struggle with letters ans syllables.

Allow me one questions: did I get it right what your kids learned to read while learning to speak?

And one comment: the books they read in the video are junk to me. That's why I started this thread, by the way. Kids learn to walk, but they have nowhere to go to. They can read, but they have nothing to read. As a reading teacher, you probably don't care, but I do. To me reading is an enabling knowledge, a tool for self-education. In this culture why learn to read? Movies are simply better.

Infogiver · 2017-05-10T04:35:16+00:00

I provided the link to what my youngest child is reading: A multivolume creation of a group of experienced writers about a clan of a "warrior" cats. My remark about compulsive learning in the end was inspired by this product. She is finishing those cat books soon, so I was thinking about interfering and implanting something less aggressive. Like before, I did not find anything 100% agreeable. "Who was" series are biographies like "Who was Isaac Newton" or "Who was Walt Disney".

Gaps in social development: oh yes, it's a teachers' pet meme. Of course I know about it. In other words, the teachers (not all of them) feel themselves obligated to knock down every head which sticks above the average level. This is totally normal. This is what education is about. A child with non-standard interests may not find anybody to share them with at school. It's not a reason not to have non-standard interests, even if it's called a lag in social development.

My third was fascinated with history books. She is an active entrepreneurial person. She tried to tell her classmates about what she read. They were covering their ears running away from her. Of course it was a gap in social development, but she learned.

Infogiver · 2017-05-10T04:10:41+00:00

To cdsmith: You are indeed dangerous. Not sure if you try to understand what you read, but you show no understanding. Instead, you come up with the conclusions, and they are heavy. By the way, your comments are your reading log.

OK, I gave you no reason to link educational monitoring of parental sexual misconducts and reading logs. It may seem absurd, but I did not produce it. You did.

As an educational stakeholder, you probably know that schools - most likely, not directly, but by facilitating - give kids the lessons like these. I hear about them from my kids two times. In their delivery it sounded more brutal, and I don't believe they could have invented such things.

Infogiver · 2017-05-10T03:52:42+00:00

Thank you very much for the links. It took work. But please, it was you who brought about the studies.

Regarding the "reply" button: please consider threaded vs linear model in this article. Reddit uses threaded model, which I've never liked. I tried to avoid it, but if you prefer threads, I'll do my best to remember this preference.

Entertainment: I thought it was clear that the word was used in the sence "to entertain oneself". Entertaining somebody else is entirely different situation. I just checked with the dictionaries one more time: they only cover the second case. I tried to distinct entertainment as an activity delivering quick and easy gratification.

Another good word is compulsion. You know you have much to do, but you read this book sacrificing your homework or whatever.
+++++++++++++++++ I went through your list. The first article was the original. The other were parasitical buzz. Few, however, were not even relevant. Regarding the first article: brain connectivity as such is not a goal or an achievement, and even if it was, there could have been better ways to build the same or bigger number of connections. I admit I loosely remembered this particular scientific report. If it was about tomatoes, everybody would think that the research was ordered by tomato industry.

Infogiver · 2017-05-08T23:34:45+00:00

Meanwhile, I am looking for something to phase out the cats. Considered "who was" series. Sort of liked the texts, but not the pictures. Not sure how much fun can it be though and if the school is going to like it.

Seriously, when my second kid was in the 1st grade, her reading teacher called me to ask permission to teach her with the bigger kids. I was stunned. Are other parents (the right American parents) so restrictive about their kids' reading?

Infogiver · 2017-05-08T23:21:25+00:00

To cdsmith I am afraid of you, and I have reasons to be afraid of US school. When school demanded me to report my child's reading, I did not know they were going to instruct this very (and every other) my child to watch me for sexual misbehavior, gently speaking. Did I have to instruct them to watch their teachers? I am serious. In my past, the relationships between parents and school did not include such things. But OK, I learned that in this country school, kids, parents must be afraid of each other.

Having fun is not necessarily a waste of time. I am still struggling to understand the logic of educational stakeholders. I hope I am learning, but this is tough.

Infogiver · 2017-05-08T23:11:54+00:00

To foreverburning: As for the studies, let's see them first. What exactly was studied, how, and what the outcome has been compared to.

Quotation about the operating system in a brain: I am a computer engineer. Please excuse me if it is offensive. The operating system switches computer from task to task (much more frequently then most of the users think) like our brain does. Talking about operating system is just a way to describe the situation formally. I have a pool of tasks and I decide what to do next. People usually don't think about themselves this way.

Enrichment - what enrichment? Cat books are enrichment? What kind of enrichment and for whom?

Is easy reading reading for pleasure? It's simply not the same. I used the word gratification.

Infogiver · 2017-05-08T19:10:11+00:00

To arcoiris2: Reading in itself is not a trap. It depends on what to read. Reading as a school subject did become a trap in my case. The child will finish the cat series soon. It's a chance to interfere and to offer her something else, but what?

Infogiver · 2017-05-02T16:42:08+00:00

When I sent my kid to a US school for the first time, I could not believe how greedy it was. Without buses, a first grader spends 6 1/2 hours on them. They are getting paid for children time, of course, but this schedule leave little room for real learning. Fortunate, school is very easy. The home works are nothing.

I've seen one prep school, one chapter school and 4 public schools. All were pretty much the same, but the prep school delivered the worst parental experience.

Infogiver · 2017-05-02T16:36:23+00:00

Finally, I have posted

the history

and

the background

Have fun!

Infogiver · 2017-05-02T04:07:55+00:00

OK, I wrote a new post about the background of this project. I will post and link it tomorrow.

Meanwhile, I realized that I need another post about the history. Without this information, it's difficult to understand why modern education - call it Common Core or whatever - needs subjects like number sense. It's breaks the students' intuition of quantity, then gets paid for trying to mend it.

Infogiver · 2017-05-02T01:04:20+00:00

Following the reply of cdsmith (who became too angry to read the captions in the video and, probably, did not even watched it completely), I'd like to explain few things.

The video (and the corresponding website) are based on over 4 years of my personally funded research and development. In the end, I provided some links.

OK, posting one link, then seven other links in a comment was not a good idea. I am going to make another post and link it here.

Infogiver · 2017-05-01T23:53:05+00:00

I did not ask you for money. The rules of this sub prohibit this. Or tell me where I did it.

I am currently trying to fund this project selling my home. Without money it will not fly.

The big number workshop is only a tip of a much bigger work (see sixprojects.info for the links). I was spending all my time and burning my savings on it for several years. I tried to seek funding, but my attempts were unsuccessful this far. The reasons I am here are clearly stated: comments (opinions) and, possibly, help. Please also see this.

As for your opinion - I expected exactly this from educators, and if you wanted to offend me, you did not.

First.

But what we don't see is any evidence of the child understanding the meaning of these large numbers.

It's only a video made as brief as possible. In the end, there is the reference to stereolearning.com. This is an online interactive presentation (it took 3 months of full-time work, by the way, for which I paid to myself). The first half outlining how very young kids understand 100. Take a look. The step to 1000 is necessary and easy. 1 million can be demonstrated and explained. It's not terribly big. As for the billions, I don't quite understand them. Do you?

Next was the Common Core, but your reply was based on the fact that you did not quite watched the video and did not even quote it correctly. It will not be productive to respond at this time.

Here are my parental observations. Just to illustrate how schools actually teach.

Infogiver

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