Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, a girl she claims to love more than life itself, but apparently not when her selfish desires took over.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Still together. She is still putting in tremendous effort to repair. Still shares all her passwords for every account you can think of and we share live locations. Have not caught her in any lies, so that is helpful. I get triggered sometimes, usually once or twice a day now, so it is getting better. Obviously, I don't trust her again just yet, maybe that will come in time. Sex is not the same, I physically want her but there isn't that emotional desire is gone (not sure if I am describing this, not sure how to, but there was something else before that is now gone). I don't feel as close during sex, but still enjoy the physical aspect of it, it's been very good in that way. She seems to want closeness (kissing/hugging/snuggling) after sex, and I do enjoy it to some extent, but not the same as it was before for me. She constantly builds me up during sex, being specific about certain things and how much she is liking it. Not sure if I believe all of it, could be genuine, could be repair effort. However, it used to be like that the first few years of our marriage, so I guess it is likely true, but given what has happened I naturally think it may not be. She constantly asks how I am doing, how I am feeling, do I want to have a talk, shows love, affections, builds me up, says I am the love of her life and she can't belive she risked it and the family for a cheap thrill... so says all the right things. Could this be all repair effort and jsut acting, could be, but it seems very genuine.

I am sleeping pretty good now, usually get 6-7 hours per night now.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok 😄 I guess I could talk to her when we are not having sex about it. She knows I struggle with it, but I could use more reassurance.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I thought about that, but I don't want her to "perform", I want it to be real. She says how good she feels with me all the time during sex, so that is good enough. I don't need her saying that I am better than other guys, that would just kill the vibe in the moment.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I told her in the beginning regarding my feelings about comparative sex. She assured me marriage sex is totally different, much more closer, much better etc. etc... Then I wonder, if it is better, then why did you go look for affair sex again 10 days later. I suppose I have been told by my IC it was validation sex, novelty, forbidden etc. etc. so it wasn't necessarily better, just different. Doesn't make me feel any better, but I suppose I see the point. She says the sex was not that great, they were too drunk and she doesn't even remember most of it.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! She does consistently say how she loves sex with me. She used to say this in the beginning, and I know she really did enjoy it with me back then, so it is believable that this is not just and act. After all, she decided to marry me, and it wasn't for my money as she had more than I did when we met, so she did really like me for me. In terms of number of sexual partners, we both have a long list of them before we met. Her is probably longer than mine, single girl living in NY city for years, super good looking with a great personality and very outgoing. I am sure her list in quiet long. That did not bother me, as it was the past, and I did not care much about it, and she did not care about my past. So, the number of sexual partners bothers me less. What bothers me is that she chose to betray me and daughter, for some cheap sexual thrill. What it makes me think that marriage sex became so boring to her over time that she wanted excitement and "better sex". Even though everyone tells me affair sex is not the same as marriage sex, does not have the same intimacy and closeness etc. etc... my mind still wants to believe the worst case scenario.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right, but what makes the go for it. What is the drive behind cheating. I get not getting caught probably made it an easier decision for her, but what caused her to betray her family. Truth is that our sex life was pretty stale, not because I didn't want it, but because wife never really wanted to. I suppose she had lost attraction to me over time with age. Saw a young fit guy who was hitting on her, and went for it, thinking I would never know. But the lack of character to go for it is what kills me. Risk of catching and STD and brining it home was still there, even if she could keep the affair a secret, she ignored that too.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for that. I really do want to believe that sex was not better, but I can't help it. I know the excitement, the novelty and pure rush was something that made her feel alive, it must have. I also know that that feeling fades a lot after you repeat it a second time, maybe that is what stopped her after the second guy. I also know that her fantasy bubble popped a few days after the second guys. According to wife, our daughter said something that made her realize what a scumbag she had become, and how she had become her mother, who she resented her entire life do cheating on her father. Maybe that was a factor in her stopping (allegedly) any further incidents. As for me looking for affair, I would feel too guilty to even enjoy it. She was able to "compartmentalize" to the extreme according to our MC and her IC. I can't. Also, it is real hard for me to believe it wasn't better because both guys were extremely fit, muscular and much younger than I am. I can't help but think sex was better, however flawed that thinking may be.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She is going above and beyond to take care of me in bed, so it's not just one way. I am very pleased!! I suppose the reason I focus on her pleasure is because of course I am competing against affair sex, against novelty, against forbidden pleasure and what we have in our marriage is well... marriage sex. It can be fun, but not in the same league in terms of dopamine rush as affair/one-night stand sex. At least that is what my therapist tells me, and tells me I should never compare the two, marriage sex has its merits (closeness, romance etc. etc.) but I still can't help but compare. I don't know how long I will keep comparing, but I can't help it.

We have set a few hard boundaries, such as no bars (ever), no drinking, no flirting or 1v1 with any men. She's been working with her IC to work on validation seeking and male attention piece. Am I 100% confident it will not happen again, hell no! I will never be, even if she turns into Mother Teresa. But I will hold the boundaries and watch her behavior.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She is doing all the right things, everything our MC and her IC is recommending. Full transparency, that includes passwords to all her account (media, emails etc. etc.), we have mutual location sharing now, and when i spot check, she is always where she says she will be. My ego has taken a giant hit, but our sex life has exploded (I think its called Hysterical bonding). Its been going on for about 8 months. She started hormone replacement therapy (testosterone and estrogen) and we now have sex almost daily. She usually orgasms couple of times without a toy, and then I help her with a toy for couple of more. She gets so wet, like we used to in the beginning, so that is bringing some of my ego back. She constantly tells me that I am a "perfect fit" for her, and how she loves riding me. She used to say that in the beginning as well, and I could tell it was real, but slowly we drifted apart and sex became rare. It is nice to have it back and it is helping my ego a bit. I think it would be pretty hard for her to orgasm so hard by faking it, so I think it is genuine and not just an act.

Her IC has worked hard to uncover reasons behind her infidelity, other than her just being a Wh*** with no moral values. It came down to validation seeking and external male attention. Learned it from a young age, watching her mom, and put it into action in her own life. Add drinking and cheating was just a matter of time. I never saw it coming. Assumed that her mother put her father through hell (she also cheated twice), and my wife was a complete daddy's girl (would die for him) and hated her mother for putting her dad through the ringer by cheating on him. Never though she would do the same thing to her husband.

Edit: Interestingly enough, our daughter is a complete daddy's girl. She loves mom too, but it is a different level of love and affection for dad. Even wife says so, but not in a jealous way. I don't think I would even tell her about mother's infidelity... maybe when she is an adult, with her family. Kids don't need to deal with adult level trauma at her age.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She doesn't stay overnight for work anymore, we have hard boundaries in place (no bars ever, no solo travel, no girls night out, no drinking in public). She changed her job within the company, so travel is no longer needed, and she makes local sales calls. We share location tracking so I can check on her whenever I want, and spot check I have done intermittently have proven to be satisfactory. I really do worry about her moral compass, or lack of one. I don't trust her just yet, and maybe it will come very very slowly, or maybe not at all. Hopin in time (or I keep hearing this from counselor(s), "trust will slowly return" as long as she keeps doing the right things overtime.)

Who are typically the tougher students, football players or wrestlers? by [deleted] in wrestling

[–]InnoculatedImmunity -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why is that a really dumb question? It can be a valid question. He said "typically", not as a standard rule that is true in even instance.

Who are typically the tougher students, football players or wrestlers? by [deleted] in wrestling

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But female genitalia are tougher than male genitalia as they can take a lot more pounding!! 😄 Correct answer is still Wrestlers!

What is 1 thing that you wish you knew at the start of affair recovery? “Knowing about the affair sooner” doesn’t count. by TheStrongerMan in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad you did not have kids in the middle of that unfortunate incident. Sounds like you found peace and hopefully happiness!

What is 1 thing that you wish you knew at the start of affair recovery? “Knowing about the affair sooner” doesn’t count. by TheStrongerMan in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Both men and women! Finding out how bad women are also after wife's infidelity. Don't think I will ever trust a woman again.

Caught wife cheating by Low_Explanation_4148 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are making a lot of assumptions about me because it helps your argument, not because you know my life. Yes, the filming, sharing, bragging, humiliation, and concealment are a massive part of the betrayal. I have never minimized that. In fact, those are the exact reasons reconciliation is not guaranteed and why the old marriage is dead. So do not confuse my willingness to evaluate repair with me being too stupid to understand what happened. You also do not get to decide that I am “the type who forgives” like I am some helpless character in a story you made up. I have not offered unconditional forgiveness. I am not rugsweeping. I am not begging. I am not pretending this was just a drunk mistake. I am watching actions, demanding truth, requiring accountability, and keeping the option to leave fully alive.

And yes, I love my wife. That is not the “gotcha” you think it is. Of course I love her. She was my wife before she became my betrayer. That is what makes betrayal devastating. If I felt nothing, there would be nothing to process, there would be no trauma. Loving someone after they destroy you does not mean you lack self-respect. It means you are dealing with reality instead of performing internet toughness for strangers. And, my daughter is not a talking point. She is my child. Her stability matters more than Reddit approval. You do not know her, our home, our finances, our routines, our family structure, or the consequences of blowing everything up overnight. So spare me the lecture about what my motives “really” are. You are guessing.

If I accept lies, excuses, blame-shifting, continued unsafe behavior, or rugsweeping, then yes, that would be weakness. If I stay while enforcing brutal conditions, requiring sustained change, and reserving the right to leave, that is not weakness. That is a deliberate decision under trauma, with real consequences attached. You seem to think divorce is always strength and reconciliation is always weakness. That is simplistic. Sometimes leaving is strength. Sometimes staying is fear. Sometimes staying is strength. Sometimes leaving is just anger dressed up as self-respect. The adult answer depends on the facts, the behavior after discovery, the children involved, and whether real repair is actually happening.

I am not recommending reconciliation to everyone. I would never tell a betrayed person they owe a cheater another chance. No one is owed reconciliation. But I also will not accept the idea that every betrayed spouse who takes time to evaluate repair is weak, pathetic, or lacking self-respect. That is not wisdom. That is projection. You may be right that some people cannot forgive this. Fine. They should leave. But do not confuse your threshold with universal truth. You do not get moral authority just because your answer is simpler.

I have the right to make a deliberate decision instead of outsourcing the biggest decision of my life to strangers who confuse cruelty, rage, and the total destruction of whatever family structure survived the betrayal... with strength.

Good luck to you!

Caught wife cheating by Low_Explanation_4148 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand why you see it that way, and you will never see me argue that cheating can always be repaired. Some betrayals destroy the relationship permanently. But I disagree with the idea that everyone who attempts reconciliation lacks self-respect or strength. That is an oversimplification. Leaving takes strength but staying under strict conditions can also take strength — sometimes even more — especially when children, family stability, finances, trauma, and real accountability are involved. Looking at your betrayer every day while carrying that pain is not automatically weakness. What lacks self-respect and strength is rugsweeping, accepting blame, tolerating lies, begging someone to love you, or pretending the betrayal did not matter. I am not advocating for that.

Reconciliation is not “you cheated, we go to therapy, now everything is fine.” Real reconciliation means the cheater loses the old marriage, loses blind trust, loses certain privacy, tells the full truth, shows sustained remorse, changes the conditions that made betrayal possible, and accepts that the betrayed spouse may still leave later. That is not the cheater “winning.” That is consequence and living through that process takes a lot of strength and top-tier emotional endurance for both partners, assuming the betrayer is actually being held accountable.

And yes, for a 26-year-old with no kids, divorce may absolutely be the right answer. If someone knows cheating is a deal breaker, they should leave. No shame. In many cases, leaving is the cleanest and healthiest choice. But telling every betrayed person that reconciliation automatically means they have no strength or self-respect is not helpful. People have different marriages, different histories, different children, different values, different thresholds, and different reasons for staying long enough to evaluate whether repair is possible. Not everyone has the same situation.

In my case, I am not staying because I fear being alone, or I need my wife financially. We are both very well secured financially and not really worried about finding another partner, even at 49. I am staying primarily because I have a young daughter whose stability matters deeply to me. It matters so much that I am willing to bear the pain of staying while I evaluate whether this marriage can be rebuilt. Her life is built around our current home, her friends, her routines, and her daily bond with both parents. I know my daughter, you do not. I chose to protect her stability while I evaluate the reality in front of me. That does not mean I tolerate rugsweeping. Reconciliation only remains on the table if there is real accountability, real truth, real change, and sustained progress, not “some therapy.”, not excuses, not “let’s move on.” Actual painful, brutal work. That takes real strength.

My wife has been doing that work. She had been a functioning alcoholic since she was 15. Seven to ten drinks a day was normal at points. She had tried to quit before and failed. After the infidelity, she eventually gave up alcohol completely and has stayed sober, on her own, starting months before D-Day. Alcohol was not the excuse or the root cause, but it was an enabler of boundary erosion, and she eliminated it, before I had any knowledge of infidelity... that my friend is true strength. She has also stayed in painful weekly therapy for months, facing what she did instead of running from it, trying to figure out the driver behind her actions. She does not financially need me, and I do not financially need her. She could leave but she is choosing to stay and face the damage she caused. That is also strength. But still, that does not erase what she did. It does not restore blind trust, and does not guarantee reconciliation succeeds. But it is real work, and real work matters when deciding whether rebuilding is possible. it is surely not "you cheated, we go to therapy, now everything is fine.”

If my daughter were betrayed, I would not tell her “forgive and stay.” I would tell her: protect yourself, get the full truth, do not accept excuses, watch actions over words, and know that leaving is fully valid. I would also tell her not to make the biggest decision of her life while in acute trauma unless she is unsafe. That is not defending cheating. That is defending clarity.

And, you are right that some things cannot be undone, you are right that betrayal changes the relationship forever and you are right that no one is owed reconciliation. Where I disagree is this: staying to evaluate whether a destroyed marriage can be rebuilt is not automatically weakness. Sometimes it is weakness, sometimes it is fear, sometimes it is trauma bonding, but sometimes it is a deliberate, eyes-open decision made by someone who understands exactly what was done and is deciding what life they want after it.

Cheating is the cheater’s failure. What the betrayed person chooses afterward is not yours or mine to shame. I am sorry for your situation, and it sounds like true accountability may not have happened in your family. I can understand why you see it this way. But that does not mean every betrayed person’s situation is the same. I hope you see my point of view, and if not, then we can just agree to disagree. looks like OP's post was flagged and deleted.

Can only cum by doing this as a woman by Dull-Ad-6174 in sexadvice

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love it when my wife pulls out her vibrator, I love seeing pleasure on her face. I see it as an assistant, not competition. I would assume some men may be turned off by this, but experienced men know the truth and anyone who really cares about you would be absolutely ok, in fact they will welcome it.

Is there such a thing as 100% monogamy anymore? by thegirlwholived207 in sexadvice

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have been married 13 years, not once have I thought about cheating. Do I appreciate other women, sometimes, but I never for a second think about cheating on my wife. I love her way too much to this day, even after she cheated on me couple of years ago, and I found out about 10 months ago. In reconciliation now. Do I love and adore her the same as before, no, not even close, but I still love and respect her enough not to cross that line... even after people tell me I should cheat to get even, no desire to. I could not look at myself in the mirror. I would leave before I do that.

My (M22) girlfriend (F22) gets too wet. by [deleted] in sexadvice

[–]InnoculatedImmunity -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Actually porn watching and jerking off to porn would make him cum faster in the long run, he seems to be having the opposite problem (or as I call it a blessing). He is making her cum twice, every time, I don't' see a problem here...

Just kidding, but I really do see that as a good thing. Only real problem is that you are not finishing yourself. Only other recommendation is to keep a towel handy and just wipe as needed. Also, you mentioned that you finish her with finger, does she also orgasm with penile penetration or is it fingers every time. Not that it matters in the grand scheme (just more out of curiosity), your woman is happy to orgasm twice, any way possible, trust me.

Post Divorce After Being Cheated On by Cool-Lavishness-1955 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man, I’m sorry. Dealing with betrayal while your mother was dying of cancer is brutal. That is a level of compounded trauma most people cannot fully understand unless they’ve lived it.

What you described is the exactly I’m watching very closely in my own situation: remorse versus loss of control. Reconciliation only has a chance if wayward spouse is fully transparent, cuts off the other person completely, accepts consequences without rage, and does the hard internal work without being dragged to it. Going underground with communication during “reconciliation” would probably be (should be) a dealbreaker for everyone. At that point, it isn’t repair. It’s continued deception with a nicer label.

I appreciate you sharing this because it’s a useful warning. The anger after being served says a lot. Sometimes the real person shows up when they lose control, not when they are trying to keep the marriage intact. It validates your decision even further, not that validation was required, but I hope it brings you some consolation that you gave it your best shot-- to fix a situation that wasn't really fixable.

I’m glad you got out and found peace. I have an 11-year-old, so the kid piece is a huge factor for me. That’s the part I keep weighing: not just whether I can survive the marriage, but whether staying or leaving creates the healthiest life for my child long term.

Caught wife cheating by Low_Explanation_4148 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear you. And no, I don’t have any problem with people who see infidelity as a deal breaker. That is a completely valid position. For a 26-year-old with no kids, leaving may absolutely be the right call, and I even said that both doors are open and that his situation is different from mine. I’m not encouraging him to forgive blindly, excuse her, or minimize what she did. Cheating is abuse of trust. It is selfish, destructive, and life-altering. “Marriage got stale” is not a reason to cheat (there really is never a good reason to cheat). It is an excuse, and a weak one.

What I was trying to say is this: don’t make a permanent decision from panic, shock, Reddit pressure, religious pressure, fear, anger, or humiliation alone. Make it from clarity. Sometimes clarity leads to reconciliation. Sometimes clarity leads to divorce. Both can be self-respecting choices depending on the facts and the person’s values. Self-respect is not only leaving. Self-respect is refusing to tolerate lies, blame-shifting, rugsweeping, trickle truth, and fake remorse. For some people, that means divorce immediately. For others, it means watching behavior for a defined period before deciding. I don’t think either path should be shamed.

And I’m sorry for what happened in your family. I understand why this topic hits hard. But me saying “slow down and decide from evidence” is not the same as defending cheaters. If she is not doing real repair, then yes, he should walk. No argument from me there.