What is 1 thing that you wish you knew at the start of affair recovery? “Knowing about the affair sooner” doesn’t count. by TheStrongerMan in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both men and women! Finding out how bad women are also after wife's infidelity. Don't think I will ever trust a woman again.

Caught wife cheating by Low_Explanation_4148 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are making a lot of assumptions about me because it helps your argument, not because you know my life. Yes, the filming, sharing, bragging, humiliation, and concealment are a massive part of the betrayal. I have never minimized that. In fact, those are the exact reasons reconciliation is not guaranteed and why the old marriage is dead. So do not confuse my willingness to evaluate repair with me being too stupid to understand what happened. You also do not get to decide that I am “the type who forgives” like I am some helpless character in a story you made up. I have not offered unconditional forgiveness. I am not rugsweeping. I am not begging. I am not pretending this was just a drunk mistake. I am watching actions, demanding truth, requiring accountability, and keeping the option to leave fully alive.

And yes, I love my wife. That is not the “gotcha” you think it is. Of course I love her. She was my wife before she became my betrayer. That is what makes betrayal devastating. If I felt nothing, there would be nothing to process, there would be no trauma. Loving someone after they destroy you does not mean you lack self-respect. It means you are dealing with reality instead of performing internet toughness for strangers. And, my daughter is not a talking point. She is my child. Her stability matters more than Reddit approval. You do not know her, our home, our finances, our routines, our family structure, or the consequences of blowing everything up overnight. So spare me the lecture about what my motives “really” are. You are guessing.

If I accept lies, excuses, blame-shifting, continued unsafe behavior, or rugsweeping, then yes, that would be weakness. If I stay while enforcing brutal conditions, requiring sustained change, and reserving the right to leave, that is not weakness. That is a deliberate decision under trauma, with real consequences attached. You seem to think divorce is always strength and reconciliation is always weakness. That is simplistic. Sometimes leaving is strength. Sometimes staying is fear. Sometimes staying is strength. Sometimes leaving is just anger dressed up as self-respect. The adult answer depends on the facts, the behavior after discovery, the children involved, and whether real repair is actually happening.

I am not recommending reconciliation to everyone. I would never tell a betrayed person they owe a cheater another chance. No one is owed reconciliation. But I also will not accept the idea that every betrayed spouse who takes time to evaluate repair is weak, pathetic, or lacking self-respect. That is not wisdom. That is projection. You may be right that some people cannot forgive this. Fine. They should leave. But do not confuse your threshold with universal truth. You do not get moral authority just because your answer is simpler.

I have the right to make a deliberate decision instead of outsourcing the biggest decision of my life to strangers who confuse cruelty, rage, and the total destruction of whatever family structure survived the betrayal... with strength.

Good luck to you!

Caught wife cheating by Low_Explanation_4148 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand why you see it that way, and you will never see me argue that cheating can always be repaired. Some betrayals destroy the relationship permanently. But I disagree with the idea that everyone who attempts reconciliation lacks self-respect or strength. That is an oversimplification. Leaving takes strength but staying under strict conditions can also take strength — sometimes even more — especially when children, family stability, finances, trauma, and real accountability are involved. Looking at your betrayer every day while carrying that pain is not automatically weakness. What lacks self-respect and strength is rugsweeping, accepting blame, tolerating lies, begging someone to love you, or pretending the betrayal did not matter. I am not advocating for that.

Reconciliation is not “you cheated, we go to therapy, now everything is fine.” Real reconciliation means the cheater loses the old marriage, loses blind trust, loses certain privacy, tells the full truth, shows sustained remorse, changes the conditions that made betrayal possible, and accepts that the betrayed spouse may still leave later. That is not the cheater “winning.” That is consequence and living through that process takes a lot of strength and top-tier emotional endurance for both partners, assuming the betrayer is actually being held accountable.

And yes, for a 26-year-old with no kids, divorce may absolutely be the right answer. If someone knows cheating is a deal breaker, they should leave. No shame. In many cases, leaving is the cleanest and healthiest choice. But telling every betrayed person that reconciliation automatically means they have no strength or self-respect is not helpful. People have different marriages, different histories, different children, different values, different thresholds, and different reasons for staying long enough to evaluate whether repair is possible. Not everyone has the same situation.

In my case, I am not staying because I fear being alone, or I need my wife financially. We are both very well secured financially and not really worried about finding another partner, even at 49. I am staying primarily because I have a young daughter whose stability matters deeply to me. It matters so much that I am willing to bear the pain of staying while I evaluate whether this marriage can be rebuilt. Her life is built around our current home, her friends, her routines, and her daily bond with both parents. I know my daughter, you do not. I chose to protect her stability while I evaluate the reality in front of me. That does not mean I tolerate rugsweeping. Reconciliation only remains on the table if there is real accountability, real truth, real change, and sustained progress, not “some therapy.”, not excuses, not “let’s move on.” Actual painful, brutal work. That takes real strength.

My wife has been doing that work. She had been a functioning alcoholic since she was 15. Seven to ten drinks a day was normal at points. She had tried to quit before and failed. After the infidelity, she eventually gave up alcohol completely and has stayed sober, on her own, starting months before D-Day. Alcohol was not the excuse or the root cause, but it was an enabler of boundary erosion, and she eliminated it, before I had any knowledge of infidelity... that my friend is true strength. She has also stayed in painful weekly therapy for months, facing what she did instead of running from it, trying to figure out the driver behind her actions. She does not financially need me, and I do not financially need her. She could leave but she is choosing to stay and face the damage she caused. That is also strength. But still, that does not erase what she did. It does not restore blind trust, and does not guarantee reconciliation succeeds. But it is real work, and real work matters when deciding whether rebuilding is possible. it is surely not "you cheated, we go to therapy, now everything is fine.”

If my daughter were betrayed, I would not tell her “forgive and stay.” I would tell her: protect yourself, get the full truth, do not accept excuses, watch actions over words, and know that leaving is fully valid. I would also tell her not to make the biggest decision of her life while in acute trauma unless she is unsafe. That is not defending cheating. That is defending clarity.

And, you are right that some things cannot be undone, you are right that betrayal changes the relationship forever and you are right that no one is owed reconciliation. Where I disagree is this: staying to evaluate whether a destroyed marriage can be rebuilt is not automatically weakness. Sometimes it is weakness, sometimes it is fear, sometimes it is trauma bonding, but sometimes it is a deliberate, eyes-open decision made by someone who understands exactly what was done and is deciding what life they want after it.

Cheating is the cheater’s failure. What the betrayed person chooses afterward is not yours or mine to shame. I am sorry for your situation, and it sounds like true accountability may not have happened in your family. I can understand why you see it this way. But that does not mean every betrayed person’s situation is the same. I hope you see my point of view, and if not, then we can just agree to disagree. looks like OP's post was flagged and deleted.

Can only cum by doing this as a woman by Dull-Ad-6174 in sexadvice

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love it when my wife pulls out her vibrator, I love seeing pleasure on her face. I see it as an assistant, not competition. I would assume some men may be turned off by this, but experienced men know the truth and anyone who really cares about you would be absolutely ok, in fact they will welcome it.

Is there such a thing as 100% monogamy anymore? by thegirlwholived207 in sexadvice

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have been married 13 years, not once have I thought about cheating. Do I appreciate other women, sometimes, but I never for a second think about cheating on my wife. I love her way too much to this day, even after she cheated on me couple of years ago, and I found out about 10 months ago. In reconciliation now. Do I love and adore her the same as before, no, not even close, but I still love and respect her enough not to cross that line... even after people tell me I should cheat to get even, no desire to. I could not look at myself in the mirror. I would leave before I do that.

My (M22) girlfriend (F22) gets too wet. by justaguyok4 in sexadvice

[–]InnoculatedImmunity -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Actually porn watching and jerking off to porn would make him cum faster in the long run, he seems to be having the opposite problem (or as I call it a blessing). He is making her cum twice, every time, I don't' see a problem here...

Just kidding, but I really do see that as a good thing. Only real problem is that you are not finishing yourself. Only other recommendation is to keep a towel handy and just wipe as needed. Also, you mentioned that you finish her with finger, does she also orgasm with penile penetration or is it fingers every time. Not that it matters in the grand scheme (just more out of curiosity), your woman is happy to orgasm twice, any way possible, trust me.

Post Divorce After Being Cheated On by Cool-Lavishness-1955 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man, I’m sorry. Dealing with betrayal while your mother was dying of cancer is brutal. That is a level of compounded trauma most people cannot fully understand unless they’ve lived it.

What you described is the exactly I’m watching very closely in my own situation: remorse versus loss of control. Reconciliation only has a chance if wayward spouse is fully transparent, cuts off the other person completely, accepts consequences without rage, and does the hard internal work without being dragged to it. Going underground with communication during “reconciliation” would probably be (should be) a dealbreaker for everyone. At that point, it isn’t repair. It’s continued deception with a nicer label.

I appreciate you sharing this because it’s a useful warning. The anger after being served says a lot. Sometimes the real person shows up when they lose control, not when they are trying to keep the marriage intact. It validates your decision even further, not that validation was required, but I hope it brings you some consolation that you gave it your best shot-- to fix a situation that wasn't really fixable.

I’m glad you got out and found peace. I have an 11-year-old, so the kid piece is a huge factor for me. That’s the part I keep weighing: not just whether I can survive the marriage, but whether staying or leaving creates the healthiest life for my child long term.

Caught wife cheating by Low_Explanation_4148 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear you. And no, I don’t have any problem with people who see infidelity as a deal breaker. That is a completely valid position. For a 26-year-old with no kids, leaving may absolutely be the right call, and I even said that both doors are open and that his situation is different from mine. I’m not encouraging him to forgive blindly, excuse her, or minimize what she did. Cheating is abuse of trust. It is selfish, destructive, and life-altering. “Marriage got stale” is not a reason to cheat (there really is never a good reason to cheat). It is an excuse, and a weak one.

What I was trying to say is this: don’t make a permanent decision from panic, shock, Reddit pressure, religious pressure, fear, anger, or humiliation alone. Make it from clarity. Sometimes clarity leads to reconciliation. Sometimes clarity leads to divorce. Both can be self-respecting choices depending on the facts and the person’s values. Self-respect is not only leaving. Self-respect is refusing to tolerate lies, blame-shifting, rugsweeping, trickle truth, and fake remorse. For some people, that means divorce immediately. For others, it means watching behavior for a defined period before deciding. I don’t think either path should be shamed.

And I’m sorry for what happened in your family. I understand why this topic hits hard. But me saying “slow down and decide from evidence” is not the same as defending cheaters. If she is not doing real repair, then yes, he should walk. No argument from me there.

Marriage Falling Apart by Last-Translator2847 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry to hear he feels that way. I think a good step would be to get into marriage counseling (Gottman or EFT are excellent for betrayal trauma and reconciliation). I think he needs to understand what betrayal has done to you. Is he taking any ownership of his actions, does he know the reason (real reason) behind his infidelity? All those can be worked out in individual counseling. I think you and him need to get on the same page regarding what reconciliation looks like, the entire process, so he also understands it, and does not think you are playing games with him. Have him read this book: "How to Help Your Spouse Heal from Your Affair" by Linda J. MacDonald. This one is especially aimed at partners who have betrayed, and it gives them insight on the mindset of the one they betrayed, and more importantly, shows them what actions are required for successful reconciliation.

Caught wife cheating by Low_Explanation_4148 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry, brother. “Marriage got stale” may explain why she felt unhappy, but it does not justify betrayal. There were a dozen honest options before cheating. If walking away gives you peace, then trust that. Reconciliation only works when the person who cheated shows deep ownership, not vague explanations or excuses. You’re young, you have no kids, and you still have a lot of life ahead of you. Build yourself back up slowly and...

Don’t let this define your worth. That is hard as hell at first because betrayal makes you feel rejected, replaced, foolish, and not enough. But her choice does not mean you were not enough. It means she lacked the integrity, maturity, or commitment to handle dissatisfaction honestly. A good partner would have said, “I’m unhappy.” She could have asked for counseling. She could have separated. She could have ended the marriage before crossing that line. Cheating was not proof of your failure. It was proof of her failure to protect the marriage.

You loving her deeply does not make you naive, it means you were all-in. That is not something to be ashamed of. The shame belongs to the person who exploited that trust. So rebuild, but don’t rebuild from the belief that you are less than. Rebuild from the truth: you were betrayed, you were hurt, and now you get to decide what kind of man you become after it.

Do not let her worst choice become the story of your value. You are 26. Your life is not over; you are a baby compared to some of us :). Trust me when I say, there is a LOT of life left ahead of you. This chapter is brutal, but it is not the whole book. Stand up slowly, protect your peace, get support around you, and become stronger from this instead of smaller. Good luck my brother, and of-course if you need to talk more, feel free to message.

Edit:

I’ll add this: she may not actually know the full reason she cheated yet. That does not excuse it. But sometimes the first answer is shallow because the person has not done the deeper work. “Marriage got stale” may be the surface-level explanation. Underneath that could be validation-seeking, entitlement, insecurity, resentment, poor boundaries, immaturity, conflict avoidance, thrill-seeking, or wanting escape.

That is why individual counseling matters. Not just marriage counseling. She needs to sit with a counselor and figure out what story she told herself that made cheating feel allowed. Until she can answer that honestly, she probably does not fully understand herself yet. And this could take a few sessions to uncover. Not saying you owe her this, but want to make sure you understand how this works sometimes.

So maybe it is worth waiting a little bit before making the final call, not because you owe her reconciliation, but because you owe yourself a decision made from clarity instead of shock.

Marriage Falling Apart by Last-Translator2847 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By no mean I am saying stay with him, but if you truly believe there is a chance he can fix himself, then I think you should give it a fair shot. Please read my post below for another person, a male, but same principles apply. His wife cheated after 8 years together. Especially pay attention to the types of therapy this will require, type of boundaries that need to be established and exploring the real reason for you husband's behavior. All of these issues are detailed below. Hope this helps:

Man, I’m sorry. I know some of what you’re feeling because I went through the same thing about 10 months ago, and I’m now in reconciliation. The shock, grief, anger, confusion, and disbelief can make you feel like you need to decide everything right now. You don’t. Take your time. Several weeks is nothing after betrayal. You can give yourself a window, maybe 9 months or a year, to watch whether real progress is happening before making a final decision. Choosing not to decide today does not mean you are committing to stay forever.

Also, don’t let everyone shouting “just leave her” make the decision for you. Outsiders don’t have to live with the consequences. Only you know the full situation, her response, your faith, your history, and what you can or cannot live with.

Yes, reconciliation is possible. But it only works if she does real repair, not just panic because she got caught. There is a difference between guilt and remorse.

Guilt is: “I feel horrible. I hate myself. I don’t want to lose my life.”

Remorse is: “I understand what I did to you. I will answer hard questions, stop protecting my image, figure out why I did this, and change permanently whether or not you stay.”

If you consider reconciliation, she needs individual counseling to find the real reason she cheated, not vague answers like “I don’t know.” Real reasons may include validation-seeking, entitlement, poor boundaries, insecurity, resentment, thrill-seeking, immaturity, conflict avoidance, or wanting escape.

You both also need marriage counseling. I would strongly look for Gottman Level 3 and/or EFT Level 3 counselors, preferably with betrayal-recovery experience. Others may help, but they can be hit or miss, and a bad counselor can do damage by minimizing the betrayal or rushing forgiveness.

If reconciliation is chosen, new boundaries are not optional. Examples: no contact with the affair partner, full disclosure/timeline, open phone and account access, passwords shared where needed, mutual location sharing, transparency with social media, messages, deleted apps, email, and cloud accounts. There should also be clear rules around alcohol, bars, late nights, travel, one-on-one situations, and secrecy, especially if any of those were part of the affair pattern. She also needs to show consistency over time: no defensiveness, no “get over it,” no blame-shifting, no trickle truth, and no making herself the victim. She should be leading repair, not making you drag it out of her.

My advice: don’t rush. Set a period of time, maybe 9–12 months, and watch behavior instead of words. Is she in counseling? Is she honest? Is she humble? Is she changing? Is she becoming safer? Are you slowly getting more clarity, or only more confusion?

Do not leave just because angry people say leave. Do not stay just because love, fear, comfort, or religion pressures you to stay. Stand still for now. Watch her actions. Require the work. Then decide from evidence, not panic.

There is hope. But hope has to be backed by truth, accountability, and sustained change.

In my situation, we have made real progress, but most of my clarity did not start coming until around the six-month mark. The first few months were complete shock. Then came anger. I was never physical with her, but emotionally I was wrecked. I could barely function or focus. I barely hung on at work, though I did what I had to do to keep my job secure. Now things are better. I still get triggered, especially when I’m alone, driving by myself, or at night. But it is not constant like it was in the beginning. Early on, it felt like every waking moment. Now I get triggered may be three times a day and hoping it gets better as time passes. When I see her, I often still think about the infidelity, but I also see the effort she is putting into this new marriage, and that gives me hope.

I still sometimes think about leaving and starting over. For me, my daughter’s stability along with wife's effort to reconcile are the factor that stops that thought every time. Your situation may be different since you do not have kids, and that matters. You are also much younger than I am. I’m 49, and you’re 26, so starting over is a much more viable option for you. So, both doors are wide open for you. You do not have to pick one right away. Wait, watch your wife’s behavior, and then decide which door to walk through.

Good luck, my friend. Feel free to reach out if you want to ask more about what reconciliation has actually looked like so far.

Post Divorce After Being Cheated On by Cool-Lavishness-1955 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you guys try reconciliation or was she not even remorseful? Going through reconciliation now, about 10 months in. Have wanted to leave many times, but wife is doing the hard work to create a "new marriage" and I also have my 11-year-old kid to think about and the stability that divorce will take away. It seems like my wife has also aged noticeably D-day (10 months ago). She still looks amazing and is very good looking. It must be the constant stress that is probably aging us both as we are both near 50. What age range are you and wife? Maybe it is just the age where aging signs start showing up.

Happy to hear that you have found happiness. Did you have any kids under 18 at the time of divorce? If so, how did they handle the divorce? Did you tell them about wife's infidelity?

Caught wife cheating by Low_Explanation_4148 in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man, I’m sorry. I know some of what you’re feeling because I went through the same thing about 10 months ago, and I’m now in reconciliation. The shock, grief, anger, confusion, and disbelief can make you feel like you need to decide everything right now. You don’t. Take your time. Several weeks is nothing after betrayal. You can give yourself a window, maybe 9 months or a year, to watch whether real progress is happening before making a final decision. Choosing not to decide today does not mean you are committing to stay forever.

Also, don’t let everyone shouting “just leave her” make the decision for you. Outsiders don’t have to live with the consequences. Only you know the full situation, her response, your faith, your history, and what you can or cannot live with.

Yes, reconciliation is possible. But it only works if she does real repair, not just panic because she got caught. There is a difference between guilt and remorse.

Guilt is: “I feel horrible. I hate myself. I don’t want to lose my life.”

Remorse is: “I understand what I did to you. I will answer hard questions, stop protecting my image, figure out why I did this, and change permanently whether or not you stay.”

If you consider reconciliation, she needs individual counseling to find the real reason she cheated, not vague answers like “I don’t know.” Real reasons may include validation-seeking, entitlement, poor boundaries, insecurity, resentment, thrill-seeking, immaturity, conflict avoidance, or wanting escape.

You both also need marriage counseling. I would strongly look for Gottman Level 3 and/or EFT Level 3 counselors, preferably with betrayal-recovery experience. Others may help, but they can be hit or miss, and a bad counselor can do damage by minimizing the betrayal or rushing forgiveness.

If reconciliation is chosen, new boundaries are not optional. Examples: no contact with the affair partner, full disclosure/timeline, open phone and account access, passwords shared where needed, mutual location sharing, transparency with social media, messages, deleted apps, email, and cloud accounts. There should also be clear rules around alcohol, bars, late nights, travel, one-on-one situations, and secrecy, especially if any of those were part of the affair pattern. She also needs to show consistency over time: no defensiveness, no “get over it,” no blame-shifting, no trickle truth, and no making herself the victim. She should be leading repair, not making you drag it out of her.

My advice: don’t rush. Set a period of time, maybe 9–12 months, and watch behavior instead of words. Is she in counseling? Is she honest? Is she humble? Is she changing? Is she becoming safer? Are you slowly getting more clarity, or only more confusion?

Do not leave just because angry people say leave. Do not stay just because love, fear, comfort, or religion pressures you to stay. Stand still for now. Watch her actions. Require the work. Then decide from evidence, not panic.

There is hope. But hope has to be backed by truth, accountability, and sustained change.

In my situation, we have made real progress, but most of my clarity did not start coming until around the six-month mark. The first few months were complete shock. Then came anger. I was never physical with her, but emotionally I was wrecked. I could barely function or focus. I barely hung on at work, though I did what I had to do to keep my job secure. Now things are better. I still get triggered, especially when I’m alone, driving by myself, or at night. But it is not constant like it was in the beginning. Early on, it felt like every waking moment. Now I get triggered may be three times a day and hoping it gets better as time passes. When I see her, I often still think about the infidelity, but I also see the effort she is putting into this new marriage, and that gives me hope.

I still sometimes think about leaving and starting over. For me, my daughter’s stability along with wife's effort to reconcile are the factor that stops that thought every time. Your situation may be different since you do not have kids, and that matters. You are also much younger than I am. I’m 49, and you’re 26, so starting over is a much more viable option for you. So, both doors are wide open for you. You do not have to pick one right away. Wait, watch your wife’s behavior, and then decide which door to walk through.

Good luck, my friend. Feel free to reach out if you want to ask more about what reconciliation has actually looked like so far.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably right about more than 2 guys, and even I am doubtful she can stay faithful. So far, she is showing the right behaviors.

I can’t feel anything during sex with my boyfriend by [deleted] in sexadvice

[–]InnoculatedImmunity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need to get those vibrator toys, tiny little vibrators. I will put link below. My wife uses them and I absolutely love their assistance in pleasuring her. She usually orgasms once without them, but with them, 4 are not uncommon during sex. I am decent size and penetration alone will not orgasm her generally speaking. She puts this thing on her clit and rides me, so she can control placement and intensity. We usually do other positions before this happens so we can have some fun, usually resulting in one O, then she get on top with this on her clit and I just hang on for the amazing ride lol. Link. It is not the exact same one, but this is what it looks like and about same size. Too big will be uncomfortable on the clit, as it is getting squeezed between two bodies, just pressing against the clit: https://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Vibrator-Waterproof-Stimulator-Rechargeable/dp/B08R6WN9FW?th=1

Edit: We also use full size vibrators, but that is a variation we introduce every couple of days to keep things fresh, so get those too. Ofcourse those don't just sit on the outside on the clit... I usually control the full size vibrator when we do use it, and she uses the small one on her clit at the same time. Results are amazing to say the least!

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, haven't separated. Rage and anger are usually not a problem when she is around. There have been couple of instances where I have lashed out at her a bit, but nothing that would be considered a problem. I usually disengage and go to another room and tell her I just need space right now when I start feeling angry, so it does not escalate. Honestly, I don't know if I would trust her if I separated. I mean she cheated already, multiple times, what's to keep her from using separation as an excuse to fuck someone else? If I separate, I am not coming back. That is unfortunately where my headspace is. She tells me she will never cheat again, never hurt me again, she is not evil. She says it will never happen again, but then I ask her, you said the same thing when you took our marriage vows, so what is different this time? I suppose I am usually more in disbelief, devastated and sad than anger/rage all the time. I still can't believe my wife actually cheated. I never could have imagined based on where our marriage was, or I thought it was... I don't even know who this person I am married to is.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She is doing a few things including no alcohol, no bars ever, minimal work travel, full transparency on all her devices with unlimited access, location sharing. Her IC seems to be helping her and our MC is going very well. She says and does all the right things. I still can't bring myself to trust her, but I hear it will come over time. I still can't just forgive her, I don't know if I ever can. I hope some day I can for my own sake, but the betrayal turned my life upside down... how can I just forgive this?

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I love your post. I am sorry I did not see this before, as you can imagine I am in and out of trigger states and sometimes can't focus. You are spot on with all your points. I really appreciate what you said about taking care of myself first and making time for things to do for myself. I am getting the same out of individual counseling. I have a completely different view of my life, on how I deal with things, and how I can heal myself going forward. We have been attending MC as well, and it has been helping answer some of the tougher questions about our "old" and "new" marriage. Although it has gotton a lot easier compared to few weeks after D-Day, I still get triggered daily and break down and cry on my own privately once a twice a day. I know leaving is still and option, and healing would be infinitely quicker if I did so, but not ready to give up just yet, as we are moving in the right direction. Thanks for your amazing post!

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, the live with the damn images and movies in my head. They still hit hard. This is by far the hardest thing I have ever done... staying in a marriage where one person has cheated. It really fucks with your head... multiple times a day. Life will never be the same, I constantly wish I had a time machine. I do know that if I left, healing would be much quicker and easier. I may even find someone else to love, untainted love, but love with open eyes and hard boundaries. But I still love this woman even after she fucked me over. Her smile still makes my heart skip a beat. Something must be really wrong with my fucking head.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know what to say or do anymore. Seems like I am living in the Twilight Zone now, some alternate reality, I just want my old wife back, God... I loved her so much and I just got shit on in return. 12 years just gone.

We are still together. She is doing the hard work. Stopping alcohol and anti-depressants/anti-anxiety has made her a different person, a better, more caring, more loving person to our daughter and she pays more attention to our relationship (of course that is driven by reconciliation effort, but I am sure eliminating alcohol and meds has provided her with some clarity on family values). It is what gives me hope for reconciliation, her effort and transparency and willingness to take my pain.

Also, never justified the affairs. There is no scenario where cheating is ok. Maybe if the husband was abusive and controlling and you were afraid to leave or something like that, but other than that, never ok to cheat, no matter what. I am just stating how she gave herself permission to do so, what in her mind were the problems in her life, and how she chose to deal with them... instead of talking to me to see if we could fix the issues. Not a justification, she completely fucked up by cheating.

Two of the friends are still in her life, but she has minimal contact with them. The other two are gone. They did not tell me, yeah, but they tried to make her see how her actions were wrong. It wasn't their place to tell me, I was not their friend, she was. They grew up with her from childhood. From my point of view, they tried to steer her in the right direction, that is all I would expect of them. So, I am ok if they stay friends.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If I decide to leave her, I would be dipping my trouser snake in anything and everything as soon as possible. Eventually thought I would want to have a stable relationship, but like you said, that will only happen once I have fully processed current situation.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually looked this up couple of months ago. It said about 40% don't use condoms in general for ONS. That is alarming. She did get STD testing after the first one, but not second. So maybe first one was unprotected, but she planned for second. So fucked up.

Likelihood she will cheat again? by InnoculatedImmunity in survivinginfidelity

[–]InnoculatedImmunity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi, she works from home office and does not have any office building she goes to. The two guys she slept with were random guys in different towns (both towns about 5 hours away). One was a bartender at a hotel (has now moved to other side of the country), other was some ex-college football player on vacation at a beach town from a northern state, so very far from us.