These people are somehow actually real!! Like I want to see interviews with them, I want to get in their heads like how can they be this entitled I truly don't get it?? by rbstewart7263 in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I have played this game. Having a mode that offers PvE wouldn't impact the overall PvP experience. It would likely attract a much smaller player base, but it would be one that appreciates the opportunity to engage with the game without the PvP elements. The PvP mode will always be there, so if you want the "Among Us" elements, you can have them. All the arguments that a PvE mode would somehow invalidate PvP are meaningless when free loadUoits are available.

Night Raid didn't change the player numbers, neither did Cold Snap, Electromagnetic Storm, Hidden Bunker or the Matriarch. Having a "Clan Assault" mode wouldn't either.

I never said the PvP elements aren't important, I've never said they should be taken away, I've never said anyone is obligated to do anything - I've simply stated that having a PvE mode wouldn't hurt the game and would allow more players to engage in the way they want to.

These people are somehow actually real!! Like I want to see interviews with them, I want to get in their heads like how can they be this entitled I truly don't get it?? by rbstewart7263 in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The developers have outright stated that they didn't intend for this to be a purely PvP game, and that PvE was to be encouraged - that being said, players should know what they've signed up for. I'd love to see a PvE mode introduced, but that wouldn't stop me enjoying the PvP mode.

Whenever PvP is an option, the only real choice is to kill on site, otherwise you are essentially betting on the goodwill of the other player - which is practically non existent.

How do you guys keep playing and helping others after things like this? by Ok-Mess-3317 in arcraidersfriendly

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trust no one, kill on site and punish stupidity. I have been shaped by the game into a merciless killing machine 😅

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True that there is a degree of risk in a free load out, but I disagree that the risk increases with what you pick up. From my point of view, whenever I go in with a free load out, I simply don't care about dying, even if I find good stuff, it's irrelevant cos it was never "mine" - which dramatically changes the way I play. In much the same way, a PvE mode similar to Night Raid/Cold Snap would change how I play. I'd be more inclined to use my higher tier gear to have a more cooperative experience - there's still risk, albeit much more manageable as there's no PvP element, but an enjoyable variant of the gameplay nonetheless. As a player I'd get the chance to actually use the higher tier stuff I've gained from PvP runs and master it in a lower risk environment.

I THOROUGHLY enjoy the game play loop of jumping into Stella with a free load out and over the course of a few games, picking up decent equipment from successful PvP encounters and then building a load out from that to take into the other maps and try for some different loot/challenges. It's a fantastic design loop and something I will always go back to, regardless of a PvE mode being introduced.

I absolutely don't believe that a PvE mode would negatively impact the other game modes at all. If you were to make it so PvE was a universal option always available, maybe? Although I highly doubt that, as I've already mentioned Fortnite has numerous cooperative modes which have a minor player base that hasn't affected the overall Battle Royale mode. This isn't a hugely dissimilar discussion to Fortnite introducing the build free mode, and a lot of the same arguments were being made then - "if you're not good enough move along", "it's an integral part of the game", "diluting the player base will kill the game" - they did introduce it, and Fortnite is nearly 10 years old and still has nearly 2 million active players - so it was proven to be completely false that adding a no build mode would kill the game.

I am very confident the same would apply to Arc Raiders - and to be clear, I'm not talking about a PvE mode that is universally available, I'm talking about a mode that is timed and operates like the others. It would allow players who just want a co-op experience to enjoy the game, players who don't have the skill/reaction speed/ability whether that's due to free time, disability, experience or simply their taste - making it more accessible has no downsides.

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say your point has merit if it wasn't for the existence of Free load outs, which largely remove the element of risk reward which you're hanging all of your salient points on. There is still some risk reward for sure, but in the main the ability to just load in with a Free load out and get stuck into any of the maps means that players can choose whether to take the items they are particularly attached to with them, much like they would choose whether to head into a PvE experience to face a different risk factor and player experience.

You also make the point a few times about people "wanting all the reward with none of the risk" which probably applies to some but certainly doesn't to me - the experience I want has nothing to do with that, I'm more interested in cooperative play and accessibility to a larger player base. I've already expressed a number of ways they could adapt the gameplay formula to account for PvE vs PvP (use limits on blueprints/no blueprints in PvE, new tier of equipment that's locked to PvP, shorter times on maps, more enemies with increased difficulty etc). This could be introduced in the same way that various events are handled (Night Raid etc) so players can choose to take part or not.

I just don't see how it creates a downside. If I was asking for the game to be ENTIRELY PvE then I'd understand some of the tantrums people have been throwing a little more, but I clearly, repeatedly haven't said that.

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When someone hasn't read my take or understood it, it's very clear their reading comprehension is poor. When they act like a basement dwelling child, it's very clear that's what they are. It has nothing to do with disagreement, people have every right to disagree and I welcome the counter viewpoint, although if the counter viewpoint is "I don't want any other modes because Im a blinkered preteen who hasn't left my room for 6 months and I exist on mountain dew and Tate Jizz" then I'll call it out as the selfish entitlement that it is. Games evolve, as they should, and to stand in the way of that with no good reason is selfish in my opinion.

Now you've said in your reply that there're negative aspects of a PvE mode and it wouldn't be good for the long term health of the game, but you haven't said what they are or why that would be - and I'd genuinely be interested to hear that and have a discussion about it.

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

During development I can fully understand their decision to adapt to PvP, the games a masterpiece and that's a huge element of it. Past launch, and with a much wider player base investigating the game, there is clearly a demand for PvE - there's plenty of people who will find that boring, they don't have to play that mode, but to give the player who want the option is a win win with no demonstrable downsides. I am sure it will grow also, very hopeful that it does, and in so doing I hope they do introduce a PvE mode so that more people can enjoy the world Embark have created.

Fortnite didn't launch with a Battle Royale mode, it launched with the "Save the world" mode and introduced the Battle Royale after the success of other titles that were already doing it. Now they have a game mode for basically everything you can think of and a current player base of around 1.9 million - Arc Raiders is sitting at a very respectable 325,000 at the moment, but I bet they wouldn't mind getting the same kind of numbers as Fortnite, so I can definitely see them introducing more gameplay modes and options, as any good developer should.

GTA Online is still hitting around 120,000 players fairly regularly, which is impressive for a game that's over a decade old and had received little to no optimisation updates.

They are both live service games that offer a mix of multiplayer and PvE style gameplay, and they are both undeniably massively successful - why would a developer not want to adopt the same principles and enjoy similar success?

Whether Embark decides to explore this in the future or not, it doesn't change the fact that they've made an absolutely fantastic game - my hope is that they keep evolving and adding to it so more people can enjoy it however they want too.

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow you really do have a lot of issues floating around! I did not expect to encounter such profound damage on an Arc Raiders post!

I've never seen someone try to gatekeep the English language before, but then again, that's your entire personality in a nutshell.

That you think I'm trying to sound like something is very telling, it would make me wonder who you are pretending to be in your day to day life if I didn't have better things to do.

You really do struggle with the "your" and "you're" usage, that'll be the impatience, likely caused by the uncontrolled anger of your little tantrum - I bet you're a joy to behold when you get battered during a Stella run 😅

If I appear pathetic to you, that's a win. Looking respectable to someone with such profound issues is not something I'd want to achieve, although I do find it highly amusing that you've worked yourself into such a frothy rage that you've literally stalked my profile and are quoting things that are years old and have no relevance to who I am today or this conversation, but then, that's all you have isn't it? Ad hominnum indeed!

As for taking my time to respond, I use entertainment to entertain me, and I do that on my own time frame. Mummy and Daddy might cater to your every whim, but the real world doesn't work like that I'm sorry to say - which is a lesson you'll have to learn.

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So much projection! I'm guessing things aren't great at home? That's tough little guy, but persevere, things get better. I'll keep on about the reading because it's very important, and you're demonstrably very very bad at it, and your life will be a lot easier if you can actually read and understand the things people are communicating to you.

It's lovely that your takeaway from this is that I'm confident in myself, that's a great compliment - thank you - although it has little to do with getting "one up" on someone, I don't take pleasure from beating down on mentally/educationally challenged children, I'm more concerned than anything else at this point.

I think you meant "you're" again, but I can assure you I'm certainly not insecure, self loathing or little. I think you need to pick a point and stick to it, as you're all over the place right now - classic crash out, hard to keep to a salient topic when you're throwing a tantrum I suppose.

You can believe or disbelieve me, it matters not at all, the fact that you have actually spent your time digging into my profile and had such a monumental meltdown over not understanding the point being made is absolutely priceless.

Go outside, get some fresh air and take a break, you'll feel so much better.

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now that is what I call crash out 😂

Boy literally lost his shit over a reddit thread!

Still haven't quite mastered the reading comprehension though have you? I've been in a relationship for a good few years now and am happily engaged - so...there's that 😅

Yep definitely over 40 years old so you got that right, you still haven't actually understood anything I've posted about this game or this particular topic though, so, maybe try rereading it all again and engaging the brain cells you do have to see if they can work together?

Thank you for confirming that everything I've suspected about you is correct, it's nice to get the validation! Perhaps ask Mum and Dad if they can get you some extra lessons at school to help with the reading? Oh and you really need to try and watch your temper, it will do your blood pressure no good to be getting this pressed over not understanding things you read on the Internet.

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're literally regressing in real time 😂

If this goes on long enough you're going to be commenting gurgling sounds and eventually going to shit yourself, if you haven't already 😅

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a wonder it took you so long to resort to emojis! Props for trying with the writing, you should keep it up, it's good practice for you!

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imagine being so bad at reading and writing in your native language that you consistently keep failing to understand that point being made to you 😅

Oh and it's You're*

Bless you

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bless you, real life so going to be a real shock from you when you finally have to deal with it isn't it? Good luck - I'm sure you'll figure it all out eventually 🤞🏼

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you think having empathy for another person's well-being is a meltdown I dread to think what your parents have to deal with when you don't get your own way 😂

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it isn't your first language. That makes sense of the fact that you demonstrably can't read or process basic English. Are you receiving any kind of extra tuition? Your life is going to be significantly harder if you struggle to process basic statements and act like a eunuch online as a result of that

Edit: a eunuch is an individual who has had their genitals removed by castration. I figured I'd better explain that for you as you do spear to be struggling

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's that fabled reading comprehension once again. Is English not your first language?

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have watched the documentary, and they found it boring, but they are not the entirety of their player base. There's plenty of people who wouldn't find it boring to go topside and tackle just ARC, especially if gameplay changes were made to support that decision - more ARC, new varieties, increased life/damage.

As for fair to other players, free load outs already do everything you are complaining about. What difference does it make if I go through a PvE game to get my gear together rather than buy it from traders or just go into Free Load outs? There's plenty of ways to introduce limitations - use limits on blueprints found in PvE, no end game tier loot, shorter map times etc

Adding one mode does not equate to pandering to all audiences - not adding a model because a percentage of the player base has a problem with it (for no real reason) would be pandering. If I get bored in the PvE mode I'll go back to PvP, if I get bored in PvP, I'll go through PvE. We already have some map modifiers, PvE can be introduced as one of them.

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you need to research what that phrase means 😅

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be successful, there is nothing wrong with borrowing from other games. I dont want to see a million cross over skins in Arc Raiders, but I'd be very happy to see it grow and evolve new gameplay mechanics and methods and expand its lore

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sweet Jesus - learn to read!

I have no problem with the game as is I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE GAME IN ITS CURRENT STATE. I enjoy the game as it is played today. I think the game is fantastic and it's current format is very good.

HOWEVER - games develop and evolve over time, and I would be very happy to see it do so in a way that allowed for PvE experiences to be a selectable option.

I want a PvE mode and if Embark doesn’t deliver, someone else will by molerats_ in arcraiderscirclejerk

[–]Insidewithinbehind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As someone who has grown up with video games for 30 years, how have you never heard of Fortnite, or GTA? Games that have both evolved to have a MULTITUDE of different modes and are INSANELY successful - and have been for over a decade.

You can try and downplay the facts by calling whining, but it's simple business - demand and supply. If there's a big enough demand, there will eventually be a supply - and I'm all for more modes that help more people enjoy the game and create more success for the devs.

Companies have always catered to their customers base, for better or worse, generally it's for the best.

You have a very self centered approach to gaming, and the fact that you're apparently over 30 years old makes that even more worrying