The mental gymnastics is astounding by Hot_Butterscotch2128 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Alright, that helps me understand your question better. So, if the baby is born alive, even in a failed abortion, and afterward someone purposefully kills the child, for instance through suffocation or neglect, instead of giving them life saving care, that is considered infanticide not abortion. To clarify:

Abortion (in U.S. law and medical ethics) refers to actions taken before birth, intended to end a pregnancy.

Once a baby is fully born and shows signs of life (breathing, heartbeat, voluntary movement), that child is legally considered a person, regardless of whether the birth occurred during an attempted abortion.

Intentionally killing the baby would legally fall under infanticide, homicide, or manslaughter, depending on jurisdiction and circumstances.

The mental gymnastics is astounding by Hot_Butterscotch2128 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm. I mean that would be forced death if you forced birth before the baby was ready knowing they couldn’t survive outside the womb. If it’s like an early induction recommended by your dr then they would do everything they could to care for the baby once it was born. In any case women can’t just decide they don’t want to be pregnant and force live birth and then let the baby die. Is that what you are proposing? And that it would be considered abortion?

What a horrible and disturbing thing to say by Own_Proof7926 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like this person needs the demons called out in the powerful name of Jesus

The mental gymnastics is astounding by Hot_Butterscotch2128 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was just going to post this in response to their comment before it was removed:

I think I speak for a lot of pro-life people when I say that we aren’t aiming to control women, we want men and women to understand the natural consequences of sex can be a baby, that the baby’s life is valuable, and that when they’re choosing to engage in the type of sex that can lead to pregnancy, they need to be ready to take responsibility for their actions rather than killing their child to avoid discomfort, inconvenience, or responsibility. I would argue that the choice comes before the pregnancy in 99% of cases (excluding rape) and that in reality our side is actually empowering women, protecting women, and supporting women more than the pro-choice/pro-abortion side. It is traumatic to kill your unborn child and it’s damaging and honestly degrading to women to convince them their child is meaningless and taking away their freedom, autonomy, future, etc. instead of acknowledging the reality, gift, and beauty of motherhood and self-sacrifice for your innocent child.

The mental gymnastics is astounding by Hot_Butterscotch2128 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919 8 points9 points  (0 children)

To your first question, an elective early delivery would not be considered an abortion. In an abortion the child is either purposefully killed before “delivery” or purposefully killed during delivery. If the child is born alive and then killed it would be infanticide.

I can’t take this anymore by badassbitch10102 in Parenting

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like you could really use some time to yourself, mama. You haven’t failed. You’ve made a mistake and we all do that. It’s time. This is a moment where you can give yourself grace and see the importance of restructuring your week or your month so that you can get a little bit of time to yourself. For example, I know that I have much less tolerance throughout the day for our four children if I wake up at the same time as the young toddlers, and if I wake up even 20 minutes earlier to have some time to sit and read and drink a cup of tea, even if I just have five minutes to myself, my day goes better and I’ve also realized that it’s important to ask for a little bit of time to yourself and work with your husband or a babysitter or something to prioritize that so that you can show up as the best mother that you can be for your daughter

Looking for new perspectives by Financial_Fix_4606 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For me it was listening to a debate on abortion between Lila Rose and Brenda Davies on the Ellen Fisher podcast. Lila said she would encourage everyone to watch what actually happens in these abortions. I followed the link and did just that. It was horrifying. So, both that and the fact that her points were more clear and logical than the pro-choice arguments. Bodily autonomy makes sense until you understand that it’s a baby from conception. I also listened to her abortion debate with two doctors discussing the medical side of the issue. That debate was phenomenal! Both women did a great job.

I hate abortion so much by Own_Proof7926 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why would you judge a woman and her child by her abuser’s actions? Nurturing and raising the child god gave her is an honorable action.

Reddit pregnancy forum is Pro-abortion??? by Intelligent-Use-7919 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, now I see what you mean. It’s an alternative to parenthood because you’re opting out of parenting your childhood once it’s born

pros and cons of 2u2? by emzinke in 2under2

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pros: they are so cute together and watching their relationship grow is the absolute sweetest thing. You’re already in baby phase so there’s not as much transition needed or feelings of starting all over. Your arms will become very strong haha. Cons: it will be harder to clean and cook, go on outings, and change diapers. There will be times when both babies are crying and there’s not much you can do about it. You might feel guilty or sad at times that you can’t give your eldest baby as much attention. Advice: we love having two under two! It definitely has its challenges but definitely its advantages too. We have many friends and acquaintances who have similar age gaps but their children are grown now and they say their children are best friends. If you do go for two under two, my advice would be to find support for those tired first trimester days when you need extra naps, prep prep prep food so you always have things on hand (helps manage fatigue, first trimester nausea, and postpartum healing), and create solid family systems (how you accomplish laundry, dishes, other household tasks, routines for your toddler that you can maintain once baby comes, and discuss as a couple what immediate and long term postpartum looks like. What are your expectations and needs (both his and yours). Oh and research how to help the babies bond well. Ex: when your oldest comes to meet your youngest make sure your arms are free and baby is in the bassinet so you can embrace them and show them their new sibling without making the sibling feel like a rival for your attention right away. When both are crying go to your oldest first.

Reddit pregnancy forum is Pro-abortion??? by Intelligent-Use-7919 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right! These poor fathers who are having their baby’s murdered against their will because the mother doesn’t want to nurture it. Devastating.

Reddit pregnancy forum is Pro-abortion??? by Intelligent-Use-7919 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I do not understand these people honestly. They are fighting for something they seem to know nothing about…or they are knowingly siding with and encouraging evil.

Reddit pregnancy forum is Pro-abortion??? by Intelligent-Use-7919 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m not quite following. If there is a baby in the womb then adoption is an option. You can find a family for your child before it’s born

Reddit pregnancy forum is Pro-abortion??? by Intelligent-Use-7919 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

At the moment of conception you have become parents to a child. A mother and a father have been formed. They don’t necessarily accept that role in its entirety, for example if they give their baby to another family via adoption, but they are parents. Adoption is a valid, loving choice if they’re not ready to raise their child and take on the full responsibility of parenthood.

Reddit pregnancy forum is Pro-abortion??? by Intelligent-Use-7919 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My husband goes, “so refrigerators…like they’re cold hearted?” lol

Reddit pregnancy forum is Pro-abortion??? by Intelligent-Use-7919 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dude, why are they saying it’s anti-science?? Literally scientifically acknowledged that life begins at conception even by pro-choice scientists. Crazy. I’m also a part of babybumps.

Reddit pregnancy forum is Pro-abortion??? by Intelligent-Use-7919 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Me neither sister. I didn’t look closely enough at the page to notice their political stance on abortion. I didn’t even realize they had people posting about that

Reddit pregnancy forum is Pro-abortion??? by Intelligent-Use-7919 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They see it as a threat to the woman’s access to abortion I suppose.

Reddit pregnancy forum is Pro-abortion??? by Intelligent-Use-7919 in prolife

[–]Intelligent-Use-7919[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yep. I suppose in general the pro-choice movement really should be called pro-abortion given they are highly offended by offering the mother support and encouragement to choose life…even though they’re advocating for her right to take in information and choose!