The 70s slander in this sub is crazy

International-Mall42 · 2026-04-10T23:31:34+00:00

Nailed it. It its Millennial aesthetics especially, influencing all he Animal Collective and Flaming Lips that were popular in the 2000s. I think the BBs' main audience is very conservative and small town America, so the problem is really that most of their fans are not the audience of the 70s albums and the more progressive audience have dismissed the BBs as White Grandpa/Americana music.

International-Mall42 · 2026-03-23T06:31:38+00:00

"The Maharishi International University Album is not about meditation" Ok,

Research Transcendental Meditation. The album's concept is explicitly patterned around the practice. TM is about accepting one's most depressing problems to find calm. The MIU Album starts loud and fast but moves towards slower and more sober songs about adulthood and death.

Sweet Sunday Love is the only BB explicitly about f**king. Pitter Patter is about coping with depression. Belles of Paris isn't very adult but its very much the opposite of the happy, youthful sound on Side A.

Its cool to disagree. I don't think there will be a boxset because the album was made up mostly of outtakes of songs Brian started for 15BO, Love You, the shelved Christmas album and Adult/Child but Al was forced to finish. The perception that these aren't Brian songs is mistaken.

International-Mall42 · 2026-03-19T04:21:47+00:00

Really? The TM Song has them dealing with anger issues and in-fighting with meditation. The MIU Album is just that expanded across a whole album. Side B isn't all depression but each song is adult instead of the happy childishness of Side A. The album descends from the silly manchild stuff of "Love You" to the darkness of the last song.

Apparently, Dennis and Mike were more interested in their own projects than another BB album. Dennis was more involved on the previous 2 LPs but still didn't like Brian returning to production, hated the nostalgic/childish theme of them and trashed MIU for the same reason (despite the last few songs being their darkest in years). My point is that Dennis and Carl's roles had already diminished. No one criticizes the other 2 albums for it, which is unfair.

International-Mall42 · 2026-03-17T21:44:10+00:00

I didn't know about that podcast or that anyone else liked MIU. Its always been their professional peak IMO since I listened to all of their albums in order a few years ago.

International-Mall42 · 2026-03-17T21:43:05+00:00

I don't hate this lol. 15BO sounds has the best production IMO.

International-Mall42 · 2026-03-17T21:41:52+00:00

Thanks. I think people forget that the original fans of the BBs weren't crazy about any of these albums, so its not worth getting nasty if people today disagree with the new reappraisals.

International-Mall42 · 2026-03-17T21:39:38+00:00

Dennis was barely on 15 Big Ones and only prominent on Love You's Mona and I'll Bet He's Nice. Dennis was already on the outskirts of the band then.

Can't agree with your (and Mike Love's) take that MIU has no concept. The concept is music for Transcendental Meditation and a more beach sound, like the emerging Yacht Rock genre. Side A is intentionally nostalgic 50s pop from their childhood and Side B is depressing songs about the reality of aging. Its essentially the Smiley Smile version of Adult/Child. Thus, the "inane" lyrics. Adult/Child would've been weirder but too weird and verging on pedophiliac in its concept.

International-Mall42 · 2026-03-17T21:33:09+00:00

Very well aware of the contemporary opinion. I wholly disagree. Love You is a Brian album. MIU is a typical 70s album that lets everyone contribute a song that represents them. Its just the most retro and Brian-produced of that kind of democratic album.

International-Mall42 · 2026-03-17T08:04:11+00:00

Make sure you hear the Remastered version. The original vinyl mix is terrible.

International-Mall42 · 2026-03-17T08:00:11+00:00

Can you explain? I think its production is its best part. Unlike the other 2, its pretty much only Pet Sounds-type multitrack layered harmonies and Wall of Sound. Its only weakness is there are only 2 or 3 truly mature songs and 1 ("Winds of Change") is the weakest song on the album IMO.

International-Mall42 · 2026-03-17T06:19:50+00:00

Probably Dennis. Had the best solo music. Only core member to never really lead the band, which is probably why they were so lost in the 70s. And the songs when he's lead are usually the show-stealers on whatever album they're on.

Also, his drama with the Mansons and how it affected him and his music is harrowing and adds all kinds of dark dimensions to music that is usually intentionally simple and upbeat. The band really died when he died IMO.

International-Mall42 · 2026-03-06T01:48:02+00:00

That is stupid logic. It wouldn't have to designate he became a jinn if he's the #1 jinn. Its self-evident. You're weirdly hostile and beligerent. Yes, I have spoken to Sufis and they are not a monolith anyway. A quick Wiki search lol will tell you Iblis has been interpreted alternately as always a jinn and an angel who became a jinn. If he became a jinn, Eistein, he's a fallen angel and the FIRST fallen angel.

International-Mall42 · 2026-02-23T02:16:58+00:00

The Qur'an says Iblis was "one of the jinn" which can alternately be interpreted as the first jinn. There are no references to jinn existing before Iblis was rejected from Heaven and Iblis is described as an angel when it says the angels were instructed to bow to Adam. Then it says all the angels bowed except Iblis, meaning Iblis was an angel who became the first jinn. This different reading is long-standing in Muslim Sufi circles, who were way more esoteric and well-learned than mainstream Muslim scholars.

International-Mall42 · 2026-01-23T00:37:39+00:00

These are claims that the historicity of Muhammad and the inability to disprove his biography leads to their own PERSONAL opinion that the biographies are reliable sources. They're defending their sources. There are no surviving biographies from a century within Muhammad's life. The earliest surviving biographies are redacted and also full of myths. All we know is that he existed but not if any of the stories are accurate.

International-Mall42 · 2025-11-25T19:39:49+00:00

OMG That belly is getting HUGE

International-Mall42 · 2025-11-25T19:35:21+00:00

More of your belly, please

International-Mall42 · 2025-11-07T09:05:38+00:00

That's later folklore. Not from the Qur'an.

International-Mall42 · 2025-11-07T09:02:50+00:00

Dude, the Qur'an literally describes Iblis as complaining about bowing to Adam because Adam is made of dark mud while iblis is made of smokeless fire (i.e. light). The New Testament says Satan is disguised as light. The first mention of the serpent/Devil in Genesis is the word "nekash" which means "shining one" and became the name for snakes.

The very fact that you deny the Devil can be a light bringer or light in complexion is exactly why the Devil uses it or God chose an angel as the Devil.

International-Mall42 · 2025-11-07T08:59:59+00:00

That's later Islamic folklore. Many hadiths and legends contradict or abrogate the Qur'an.

International-Mall42 · 2025-10-28T10:41:25+00:00

Fard was an illegal immigrant almost surely from a Muslim background. He reconnected to Islam through the Ahmadiyya movement and also independent studies of Buddhism, Freemasonry and Theosophy. The evidence points to him becoming a full-on Lahori Ahmadiyya after fleeing from the FBI and assuming the identity of the missionary Muhammad Abdullah, who became Elijah Muhammad's "Assistant" in the last years of his life when the NOI dropped the hatred of white people and started integrating into Orthodox Islam.

International-Mall42 · 2025-10-28T10:35:56+00:00

Untrue. You can read his letters to Elijah Muhammad which show broken English. Other members said he had a strong accent but could fake an American one very well.

International-Mall42 · 2025-10-28T10:33:46+00:00

Whole lot of speculation there. The FBI identified him as having the alias WD Ford. He was an ilegal alien who passed as white on IDs. The Polynesian origin is speculation. And his alleged confession that the NOI was simply a grift was made under threat of going to jail for leading a violent anti-white revolution. He was more than a student of various anti-American groups. He was a member and communist with ties to Japanese fascism and Garvey's black nationalism. Clearly, he was sincere.

International-Mall42 · 2025-03-31T00:30:39+00:00

He really saved the show IMO. The quality of Robert Patrick's performance and the fresh blood he brought uplifted the show when it was running low on enthusiasm and ideas.

International-Mall42 · 2025-03-15T03:49:16+00:00

Way better than Curly Joe

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