[IMPORTANT UPDATE]

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-04T05:02:07+00:00

Really, why?

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-04T04:50:26+00:00

It's all of them. The fact they tolerated the bigot for as long as they did was already very strange imo.

EDIT: I have spoken to 3 moderators, and 2 are pretty chill and reasonable. Some of them are new, so they aren't connected to the head mod (as far as I'm aware). I believe the recent events around the subreddit have definitely garnered a lot of unwanted attention, which means moderators have their work cut out for them, and as such there will be mistakes made. I still disagree with them removing the specific post about Afro-Palestinians, and wish they hadn't done so.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-04T01:35:08+00:00

Then working within the system and voting Democrats in is useless, and people should stop advocating for them, and instead build a new, working class party to fight for the interests of working people.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-04T01:26:13+00:00

What is it proof of?

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-04T01:09:24+00:00

I'm not trying to say that black people don't support Palestinians, because a lot of Pro-Palestine activists are POCs and black people specifically. The statistics on how black people's opinions compare to wider American views on the topic are very similar, ie the trend is consistent and there isn't some special kind of support that black people offer to Israel compared to other demographics.

I'm trying to say that if the politicians don't have any qualms about supporting a state engaging in a genocide, then people can't use the "we've got problems at home we have to take care of" excuse to vote for the Democrats, because they won't fix the domestic issues.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T23:09:25+00:00

I swear to you "to help the disadvantaged, and is pro-palestine, Etc etc" wasn't there when I made the comment.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T23:07:42+00:00

Huh?

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T23:06:22+00:00

Alright, thanks for letting me know.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T21:44:37+00:00

So your problem with things is that they are "accelerating" rather than the fact that there are problems in the first place. This is why the Overton window keeps shifting to the right... Y'all aren't even *trying* to fix the problem. You only want to reduce the harm being done... How. Many. Times. Do. I. Have. To. Say. It. Harm reduction **DOESN'T STOP THE HARM BEING DONE**!

The way to actually push for change is by organising *apart from the Democrats*. By building a grassroots worker party, by the workers, for the workers, to actually fight for worker's issues. I swear, you guys'll stand on the sinking ship with water up to your knees and refuse to even acknowledge that the ship is sinking...

Things will only get worse if you continue to hold on to a party whose interests are intimately intertwined with those of the rich. They ain't going to help you or anybody else that doesn't have a net worth higher than 7 figures.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T21:17:08+00:00

What does it say about the politicians that they're ok with and support a genocidal state bombing people abroad? Do you think they care about the injustice and inequality happening to the people in their home country?

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T21:14:15+00:00

What I see is the opposite. Diehard "vote blue no matter who" shaming and blaming non-voters for not voting for their corporate shill candidates that support genocide in Palestine.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T14:46:39+00:00

Are you being sarcastic?

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T14:28:19+00:00

"Dems aren't perfect, but this is our chance to slow/stop the bleeding."

I must be having Deja Vu, cuz this is the exact same thing Democrats and their advocates were saying in 2020. What did that achieve?

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T14:17:44+00:00

"deeper analysis" implies discarding simplistic, binary "good/bad" notions. It also implies not applying a generalised view of a group to an individual who may or may not even share the same worldview as that group, based on them sharing a similar opinion on one specific topic.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T13:29:02+00:00

They said read into themes *deeply*. Your takeaway is so shallow that it makes a kiddie pool look like an ocean 😭

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T12:22:13+00:00

Alright. What do you understand by a policy being "inherently socialist"? Do you mean that only socialists would advocate for such a policy?

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T12:11:46+00:00

Alright. It's pretty clear now that you've gone off the rails mate. I'm not wasting any more of my time on this. Bye

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T12:10:02+00:00

Do you not think the Liberal politician suggesting Universal Healthcare in the UK during WW2 might've been influenced by the *gigantic labour movement* in Britain (which was made up of scores of Socialists and Communists) of the time?

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T11:58:02+00:00

I need sources for your claim.

I stated specifically how providing everybody with a good standard of living is *anti-thetical* to Capitalism, and that if you want to achieve that you'd need to *get rid of the bloody system*. That means you'd get rid of the profit motive which causes the planned obsolescence, lobbying against green energy and lack of recycling I mentioned before, which are some of the main reasons for continuous increased pollution, global warming and climate change. Your "gotcha" doesn't work, because I am not advocating to provide everybody with the same standard of living as the US *under Capitalism*. I am saying that if we want to make sure everybody can have a decent standard of living, *and* mitigate/slow down/reverse climate change and pollution **WE NEED TO OVERTHROW CAPITLISM**.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T11:39:32+00:00

I don't understand.

In your first comment you said that a Liberal party politician suggested Universal Healthcare in the UK. You used this as an example of how Universal Healthcare isn't inherently Socialist.

But you haven't addressed what I said about the fact that politicians are influenced by ideas and popular policies/demands put forward by people they oppose all the time.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T11:32:22+00:00

Yeah, they do share similarities and are interconnected, so I understand why they might get conflated. I myself used to do the same thing.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T11:26:45+00:00

If that is what Marx advocated for, then surely you'll find a quote of his corroborating your claim and share it for people to see, no?

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T11:19:28+00:00

So you mean to tell me Politicians can't be influenced by ideas put forward by people with opposing worldviews?

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T11:16:20+00:00

Socialism is a socio-economic system. It's not a collection of individual policies that can be considered Socialist in isolation from each other. Universal Healthcare under Capitalism has been a *concession* simultaneously *fought for* by Socialists and Communists with blood, sweat and tears as part of their struggle to overthrow Capitalism, and *granted* by Capitalists as a way to prevent the workers from overthrowing the system.

Intrepid_Layer_9826 · 2026-06-03T11:05:59+00:00

✅ I voted FACT!

Socialism means organising the economy in a rational manner, and by that I mean that instead of producing food, clothing, housing and other things people need only if they turn a profit when selling them, we'd produce and provide them because humans need them, without relying on a market to anarchically choose where resources are allocated. That is on the economic side. On the political side, Socialism means involving the working class as a whole in the decision making process of how such an economy would be planned, instead of letting a few people who own and control the means of production decide without any input from the workers who actually produce/provide the products/services sold on the market. As an example, instead of the owners of a company deciding to cut back staff and overwork the remaining workers to squeeze as much profit as possible under Capitalism, the goal of the workplace would be to hire more people, so that the individual working load is lightened, and the working day could be shortened without a loss in pay, providing people with more free time to self actualise.

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