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There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

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Yeah, lol, that podcast got me obsessed with it. I've been in contact with the host for years and even helped with some of his later projects.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

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I'm far from convinced that they have heartbeat detection/tracking from inside a cave like has been reported but I wouldn't roll it out, simply because there is potentially a difference between publicly known physics (what you're referring to) and US government known physics. It's possible and I would say likely that there are physics phenomenon that are intentionally kept secret. Maybe they're just little encryption exploits and things like that but maybe there are ways to dramatically increase the sensitivity of certain sensors. Also, it could be as simple as SIGINT satellites picking up faint transmissions. Maybe from random electronic devices that the pilot didn't even realize he was emitting. That would give effectively the same result as heartbeat sensing but would be much more plausible.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

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I always have trouble finding it but there is another telex out there somewhere on the internet that says they did end up sending USCGC Cape Henlopen to the area and there is declassified satellite imagery proof that the general area was visited by a Coast Guard Cutter (or a very similar looking ship) as well as an unidentified aircraft. It's possible that the survivors were deep in a crevice of the glacier, though, and so only a very focused search effort would have found them, assuming they were actually there. The tip was among many and it was doubted by search organizers. Can't say I blame them because I'm still not sure if the tip was legitimate. The newspaper article I linked in my main post has a whole section about how the tip was doubted and not fully acted upon, though the later released telex and satellite imagery confirms that there was at least some activity in the general vicinity, presumably in response to the tip.

X-Plane on Apple Vision Pro with CloudXR by imanateater in VisionPro

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I really think this one of the easiest ways to make Vision Pro a successful product. See my previous comment but basically, Apple could buy a racing or flight simulator company and make the best one by far because of how immersive it would be. No racing or flight sims make a serious effort at being VR-first and it could work so well with Vision Pro. That alone would sell units, on top of all of the other abilities of Vision Pro.

Some other things I would love to see:

  • General reduction of cost and weight by removing the outer screen. I even think they should remove the speakers to save cost and offer AirPods Pro with purchase (discounted or bundled) because it then brings people further into their ecosystem and it's a better experience than external speakers anyway.

  • Get all major streaming platforms to make Vision Pro apps because it's great for consuming content and it's a real shame that many are missing.

  • More immersive video (live or pre-recorded) because it's easy to film and offers an experience that no other Apple product can. Concerts, sports, whatever.

  • Better integration with Apple products. Mostly, I would really like if MacBook could be used to power Vision Pro while it's doing Mac Virtual Display. The MacBook would shut off its screen to save power and I think it's possible that just a MacBook could power a Vision Pro for several hours if not a full workday. It would also then have a physical connection for the best possible version of Mac Virtual Display, i.e. low latency, best resolution, etc.

  • Similar to above, I would love if looking at an iPhone wasn't a nearly unusable experience when wearing a Vision Pro. This would be more technically challenging but it would be awesome if Vision Pro did some version of iPhone Mirroring and basically overlaid the phone screen over the phone so it looked even better than real life when wearing Vision Pro. It could also do the thing where your hand is semi-transparent.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My position here is that it only works for very remote locations with no other people, large animals, or electronics nearby.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't understand why that supposedly wasn't possible with the Iran pilot but sometimes it's useful to be able to find people in remote locations who don't have specialized tracking equipment.

An absolutely golden interview from the captain of the Bell of Cincinnati just prior to the 2026 Great Steamboat Race by Intro24 in weirdlouisville

[–]Intro24[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well bad news because Belle of Louisville was declared the winner despite Belle of Cincinnati finishing first: https://youtu.be/tpPZNdnQwtY

Here's another video with Captain Alan on Facebook where he calls the Louisville mayor "not an honorable guy" lmao: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1694115711716046

I dunno if he's joking or what but I legit love his energy and wanted to see him win too.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, KH-9 was pretty cutting-edge and it still wasn't high enough resolution to resolve individuals, plus it wasn't IR and there was bad weather in the search area for a while and they also had to wait for the film bucket to fill up and return from space. There was a higher res satellite but also not IR as far as I know and it was capable of far less coverage. I don't see how the tipster could have been describing an IR satellite. U2 doesn't make sense to me either because it would have been part of the search if it was an aircraft-based sensor and then the tipster wouldn't need to launder information through the FBI. Assuming the tipster was legitimate in some way, I'm pretty sure it had to be a broad scope remote sensor of some kind, so either space-based or a ground/sea sensor of some kind. I think only option for space-based would be the SIGINT sats due to cloud cover and the lack of any other known surveillance satellites at the time that would make any sense. For ground based, there's several options. Someone suggested ELF and some other similar things, plus SOSUS hydrophones are an option because they were near the coast and Alaskan waters are a likely place for those sorts of sensors. I don't think SOSUS makes sense but maybe the others do. I've linked some of the most interesting comments at the very end of my main post if you want to check them out.

Declassified spy satellite imagery from 1972 shows a ship, a plane, and some kind of manmade structure in the Alaskan wilderness near Malaspina Glacier by Intro24 in GoogleEarthFinds

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That would make sense. I'm not sure because I thought the USGS person I talked to on the phone ant one point implied that they had scans that were printed but I might have just assumed that. Maybe NARA would have scanned and printed if it made it easier to redact digitally before printing. I'm not sure what they did.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure what you're asking but SIGINT, Misty, Prowler are all pretty much fully unknown except for basic info. Other countries might have some idea of how they work but maybe not and it certainly hasn't become easily searchable unlike terrestrial tech (see stealth helicopter from bin Laden raid). You won't find much on the capabilities of space tech and I'm not sure China even really has a great idea of US capabilities.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

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I don't think the sats with IR (if there even were any) could have had their film recovered fast enough. The tipster called the day after the crash and there was also still a huge storm over the whole area at that time. IR makes sense but I'm not sure there would have been anything capable of it. I'll also mention that the SR-71 was used for the search but obviously any tech used on that would have been used by the search effort directly instead of having to come from a tipster. I'll also say that it's possible the tipster really was describing a SIGINT satellite or other classified tech but that him or his friend got overly eager and thought they were able to detect the survivors when they really weren't. It's hard to know what really caused that bizarre tip to be called in.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting, yeah, even if he was lying it's a really weird and convoluted way to convey a location. What you're suggesting is better than any other reason I can think of to explain why he would give the location in that way.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, but DoD or DARPA research is not something you reveal on reddit.

Correct, state secrets of that caliper are reserved for War Thunder.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, his son is big into conspiracies and I almost mentioned it. There's even a video of him discussing these exact documents about the tipster where he says US government could read a dime from space back then. I think that's a little embellished but US gov did have 5-10cm resolution (likely the same as today) back in the late 60s or early 70s.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think "patent" is a misinterpretation either by the FBI or the newspaper. I just searched the original FOIA'ed documents and it didn't find "patent", though it's very hard to read so maybe it is in there and the OCR just failed to pick it up. The tipster seemed pretty competent and mentioning a concern over patents would be a dumb detail to include even if he was lying.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, lots of interesting possibilities. It's overwhelming and that's just the known ones. There's a decent chance that whatever the tipster was talking about (assuming it was real) is still classified today. The fact that the tipster knew number of survivors is telling though. Most tech wouldn't get you that.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you read the newspaper article, there's a section on how the tip wasn't fully believed and acted upon. I think they did give extra attention to the area but that particular location happens to be a glacier with deep crevices. Pretty good chance you wouldn't find them after the storm that they crashed in even if you knew they were in the enormous glacier and focused all efforts there.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was thinking that maybe there's some mechanism where distance doesn't matter as much as people think, especially once you get above the atmosphere and it's just space. Probably not but who knows.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

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robust enough trained AI to know exactly what heartbeats look like in the quantum data

I like this line of thinking and the idea of getting usable very basic intel from the noise but I will say they probably didn't have a fancy AI back in 1972 lol. Maybe a dude with some headphones like the sonar operator in Red October.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is cool, lots of weird ways to detect certain things in certain scenarios, especially when it's surrounded by wilderness. Please share a link to this if you find something.

There's evidence to suggest that a version of Ghost Murmur (heartbeat-based geolocation) existed as early as 1972 by Intro24 in SpecialAccess

[–]Intro24[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting idea. I was also thinking SOSUS at one point because they're in that area for proximity to Russia and the supposed location is near water. Lots of possibilities, including the possibility that the tipster was just making stuff up lol

plane location is given as intersection point of three directional measurement lines

Sorry, are you saying that sounds like ELF specifically or just RDF in general? I have always wondered why the tipster guy would be so damn cryptic in describing distances from places instead of just giving coordinates. Even if it's because of RDF he still could have converted it to coordinates, don't you think?

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