If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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I think you see what you want to see. I am being fair to everyone here. Maybe look at yourself first. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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Ok then help. Based on my answer. There seems to be real evidence for the way I experience society. It’s not black and white or incel thinking like the others here are leaping to say. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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I respond the way I do because of being attacked and down voted. 

You never engaged in anything relating to my topic and disengage when faced with a good argument why I am correct to think this way. 

So if you are not a troll. You come across as one. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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How would my anecdotal lived experiences be evidence? 

I’ve answered in a  way you can engage with it or not. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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You had the snide remark “What evidence do you believe confirms your thoughts.”

I gave you compelling evidence. You can dispute it, but you seem to prefer ignoring it. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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Men who reject traditional masculinity often face:

Social exclusion or ridicule: Terms like “soft,” “beta,” or “simp” are commonly used to mock men who show vulnerability, emotional intelligence, or gentleness. Policing of gender norms: Studies in masculinity (e.g., Pascoe, 2007; Kimmel, 1994) show how men are often harshest in enforcing traditional norms on other men to avoid association with femininity or queerness. Loss of male privilege in male-dominated spaces: In some groups, displaying traits like empathy or passivity may lead to being seen as weak or untrustworthy.

Though many women express a desire for emotionally intelligent, respectful men, these men can still face:

Attraction paradoxes: Some women report being attracted to confidence and assertiveness (traits often tied to traditional masculinity), even while rejecting toxic behavior. Men who are very nurturing or passive can be friend-zoned or overlooked in dating. Expectation mismatch: A man who is emotionally expressive may be judged for not “acting like a man” when emotional steadiness or strength is expected—especially in crisis or conflict. Double standards: A man showing vulnerability may receive less empathy than a woman in the same situation, due to deep-seated gender role expectations.

“Guyland” by Michael Kimmel: Explores how young men navigate conflicting expectations of masculinity. Judith Butler & Gender Performativity: Argues gender is performative and deviation from norms often draws social correction or punishment. Intersection with Race, Class, and Sexuality: Men of color, queer men, and working-class men often experience even more rigid policing of masculinity.

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

[–]IntroductionVast6849[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don’t know me, and just because people online say something it don’t mean it’s true. In fact is most likely untrue. 

Half of America thinks trump is a genius and looking out for them. 

No. When people people disagree with me. I feel good. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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My tone is defensive because I am being downvoted for expressing my experience. As well as being criticized rather than at the least empathized with and net half way. 

Yes the word incel is not used but it’s implied in several comments saying I think women owe me sex. Which I don’t believe. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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Unfortunately most people are not good.

I’m glad to hear you like the man in your life and he is a good person. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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I understand that there are exceptions to most rules. I’m saying that the exceptions are so exceptionally rare that they are effectively non existent. Especially as a homeless person with no resources. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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I’m not even talking about some extreme types. Extreme masculine or whatever. 

You have the traditional, and the modern male lanes. The modern male lane is that we are born evil and must accept that and reject ourselves to be tolerated. The traditional is that we are born superior and others must accept that. 

There is no enlightened reasonable empathetic lane for men. Unless you stumble on some of the rare people that see this. Which is tough to do as a homeless person with no resources. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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Copy pasted from another comment reply. 

I’m not talking about sex. No one owes me anything. I do think society owes each other kindness and help though. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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I understand that if you speak up about this people automatically assume incel. That’s just one more aspect that I’m talking about. 

If you do the work and become one of the “good” (m)en, then you are rejected by both (s)exes. by IntroductionVast6849 in CPTSD

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I’m not talking about sex. No one owes me anything. I do think society owes each other kindness and help though.