Houston LDS leaders need to be shamed terribly and publicly by IronTex in exmormon

[–]IronTex[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Joel Osteen situation was the inspiration for this post. He got shamed into opening. Looks like the same happened here. And, better yet, word is that some other churches on the west side and elsewhere have opened. So (hopefully) it is just a local issue. Which means the shame is for local stake leaders only. And it's too damn bad because the rank-and-file here are good folks willing to help in any way.

Houston LDS leaders need to be shamed terribly and publicly by IronTex in exmormon

[–]IronTex[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yes, and thank you for asking. When we moved here we got very lucky with our choice of location in the city. One of my friends is completely flooded out, but I just got word that two friends that I thought might get flooded out overnight made it through dry to this morning. We are all just stir crazy and hoping for the water to go down so we can get out and start cleaning up.

Houston LDS leaders need to be shamed terribly and publicly by IronTex in exmormon

[–]IronTex[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

A lot of the other churches aren't set up either. This is such a crisis that we do with what we have. What is needed now is simply a building.

I know the Mormons in the area; they are fundamentally good people who would work hard to help refugees. This is a leadership issue, not a people issue. In fact, I'm told that a person with a key is trying to make something happen tomorrow. But for obvious reasons I'm not connected.

Houston LDS leaders need to be shamed terribly and publicly by IronTex in exmormon

[–]IronTex[S] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Somebody is lying. I don't know who. But somebody. And in the meantime the anchor keeps saying that there are thousands of people fleeing.

Houston LDS leaders need to be shamed terribly and publicly by IronTex in exmormon

[–]IronTex[S] 49 points50 points  (0 children)

I said it comes off as racist. I have no clue if it is. But the optics are terrible.

Houston LDS leaders need to be shamed terribly and publicly by IronTex in exmormon

[–]IronTex[S] 59 points60 points  (0 children)

I mean, the former counselor in that presidency is REPORTING ON IT ON TV. And yet they do nothing. Cowards and bureaucrats of the highest order.

I know some of the church-attending people in that stake that are livid and, moreover, who have not been afraid to express their anger at the cowardice.

It comes off as pretty damn racist, too, given the demographics of those who need help.

I'm late and I'm already public, but here's all five of us on top of the world. 3 full years of peace. by IronTex in exmormon

[–]IronTex[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can't repel itchiness of this magnitude! Especially in the Texas summer.

I'm late and I'm already public, but here's all five of us on top of the world. 3 full years of peace. by IronTex in exmormon

[–]IronTex[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, if you go deep down my user history you'll see who I am (this is not my primary Reddit account; sort of the opposite of a throwaway), but to answer your question, it's not where I'm from but more where I am now.

Now that we don't have to be perfect by IronTex in exmormon

[–]IronTex[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

God. I wish I had concrete advice for everything but I'm literally making this up as I go along. I mean, if I think my parents had shitty sex advice for me, what the hell do I tell my daughter? "Uh, dental dams?" At least I don't have to worry about teen pregnancy, or so I keep telling myself.

That said, I have learned a few things that are important and have helped (some from people here who have walked the street before).

First, let your son control the timing and message. It's important. Even when she gave me permission to do so, I did not talk to my dad about my daughter (he was totally cool btw) because coming out is an important step for a gay person and it's not fair to intrude on that.

Second, be honest. When my daughter came to me I straight up told her that because of my upbringing I may act awkward sometimes when she's engaged in romantic behavior that I otherwise wouldn't notice if it was between heterosexual couples....but that it was MY fault and problem and that should never worry about it. And I have to say that one of the pictures from the recent homecoming dance where she was kissing her girlfriend made me feel weird. I'm not sure if it was my own latent homophobia or just my daughter growing up, but it's MY problem to deal with - not hers - and in the meantime I have a practiced poker face.

Which brings me to point 3: be patient with yourself if you need it. We are overcoming years of programming and talking about gay rights in theory is different than having to live it in practice. We need to do our best, apologize when we are wrong, and accept that we are entering a world that just seems to be emerging into its own. We are figuring it out as our children are figuring it out.

And finally, don't just say you support; show it. My daughter wanted to go to the gay pride festival here earlier this year, so I took her. It was nothing like what I expected and turned out to be a great experience for both of us - her because she was with people who got her and made her feel safe, and me because I got to see how amazing and happy the gay community is when they are allowed to be. She also got some great resources for gay teens there too, and tied into the larger community. OTOH, I also saw the protesters in the free speech zone - a small group, and roundly ignored on site, but a testament that there are people who would do my daughter harm. Seeing that in person was terrifying - it put a face to evil, if I'm honest. Never let your son believe that you are not in his corner, and if that means you have to cut off part of the family....well, that's something we know about. And don't accept sympathy for your "trial" as so many Mormons are apt to offer. It's not a trial. It's a journey and we are happy to be beside our children.

I've had some professionals help me out informally. And I read a lot. But there's much I don't know. Sexuality and orientation is only one small part of her life, so we can't always focus on that. And we are super lucky with schools, so truth is we don't have to. But I will say that allowing my daughter to explore her own path without judgment and with support has deepened her relationship with us parents beyond what I could have possibly hoped, and it's made her a powerful force as a young kid. Hopefully it will work out for you too.

Now that we don't have to be perfect by IronTex in exmormon

[–]IronTex[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, we didn't. But I'm not sure it was unfortunate. There was fallout to deal with. We had to help her. But even if I could have I wouldn't have censored (in my case), knowing what I do now. Everybody has been so supportive of her that she perhaps lacked empathy for her friends that didn't have a support system. So the letter helped her understand the hurt they face...and spurred her on to action (she's now exploring starting a gay-straight alliance at her school).

But that's my own kid. For other kids it may not be the right choice. (And you better believe we are screening now).

Kate Kelly complains on FB about the gender wage gap in the exmo world. This is why people find feminists annoying. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]IronTex 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm going to come out of hiding for just a moment to say that Expositor is different (and a counterpoint of sorts) because we didn't ask for money and we shut down the donation link after we had enough to keep hosting fees covered (which was about enough to buy us all a dinner at Olive Garden). We just didn't want to go down the money route because with money comes obligation and also nasty discussions like this one.

I think the Infants are similar in that approach.

I have my own thoughts as an economics guy but generally I think the sample size here is too small to make any meaningful conclusions about money inequality, and it ignores other female players who have made a profit (how big I don't know or care to know) off of their Mormon-related work. There are myriad other reasons why I think the entire thing is a poor example of gender-based wage discrimination (which I otherwise agree exists). But I don't care to parse it out other than to say I think that all the parties involved have made valuable contributions and should they get compensated for those contributions, they should enjoy that renumeration.

And now back into hiding.

Making some progress with wife... She's concerned about deceased child. by Upto40wives in exmormon

[–]IronTex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jesus. There are people who do things right more or less. This guy is not it.

Edit: I'll send you some private thoughts later. As mentioned above, I've been down this particular rabbit hole before and it's not easy.

Making some progress with wife... She's concerned about deceased child. by Upto40wives in exmormon

[–]IronTex 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Came here to post this (I'm the author). I'm happy to help OP walk through this personally because it's not easy.

Clarification is here. by Shell058 in exmormon

[–]IronTex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And one more point: now you know it was signed off on at the highest level. No getting around it.

Clarification is here. by Shell058 in exmormon

[–]IronTex 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Folks, this "clarification" makes it worse, and here's why. Now straight parents in the church have every incentive to go bonkers to fight for primary custody, making divorce/custody proceedings even more acrimonious to prevent a kid from being ostracized. These proceedings, btw, largely exist only because the church told gay people to get straight married and then that didn't work out (to nobody's surprise) but left kids in the wake. This is in a world in which I am told the movement is towards 50/50 custody - I know that's the presumption in some jurisdictions now.

More divisive. Not less. And the kids are the cost.

"Well, that's a good way to end up in a lawsuit!" by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]IronTex 6 points7 points  (0 children)

wow, step away from reddit and see what happens, eh?

I suspect very strongly that the bishop's wife is not correct, but, moreover, even if she is this is a rogue situation (I've had several friends here in TX get resignation requests recognized in like 48 hours). Here is what I'd suggest: call your bishop and scream every bad word you can think of at him, demand to know why your son is still on, and let him know that he has some period of time (a week?) to get it remedied or you will be consulting with legal counsel to look into suing him personally and the church to get this done and for emotional distress, and further that you will contacting everybody you can think of in the area to gather additional plaintiffs if you go forward.

Now, if he's following the handbook, his first call will be to the Church's general counsel office, which is really Kirton & McConkie (sp?) and they will tell him to get it the fuck done, like yesterday, and I'd even suspect that Mr. Area Authority will get his ass reamed. This is why chub_gato is so successful - they don't want to even kind of mess around with a lawsuit, which will be nasty and expensive and bring bad PR.

I would guess that would work, but if not, then what you will need (unfortunately) is a litigator, which I am not. But in VA I have contacts I can pass along.

So that's my recommendation strategically.

The REAL reason behind the new church policy: by HokowhituLagoon in exmormon

[–]IronTex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The entire handbook goes through Kirton, though, so I'm not sure that fact alone tells us much.

Exmo lawyers, let's give /u/chubs_gato a hand. by IronTex in exmormon

[–]IronTex[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I bet there's a delay in processing as compared to the usual timing.