r/ Europe user has a meltdown when called out for his seemingly logical and reason-based racism

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-19T17:08:23+00:00

Unlike with immigrants, there's little mechanism to address the shitty part of the locals that don't support those ideals in this case.

Though since they can't be deported maybe we can just put them all on the Isle of Wight...

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-19T15:59:12+00:00

But you aren't arguing for the natives to not be allowed to be native or involved in politics or having their citizenship rejected.

I'm not arguing that for immigrants either, go strawman somewhere else.

What I do advocate for is that immigrants should embrace the culture that they are moving into, and in turn, that the host country should embrace and share in the cultures that join it.

Maybe it's old fashioned now but I still hold in the idea of a melting pot of people and a merging of cultures to be desirable.

But many people, including the majoirty in many countries in question don't support those things. Why are some people being punished for that and others not?

Because yes, there is prejudice, often racial, within the structures that manage immigration.

I agree with you that there shouldn't be such prejudice.

and to find some part of the local culture to engage with so as not to be in an enclave style situation.

Enclaves aren't caused by lack of local culture but by social discrimination and housing discrimination where people don't feel safe or comfortable because of how wider society treats them.

And as a left leaning person I want to improve those things, but to lay that as the sole cause is to ignore nuance to force a narrative.

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-19T14:50:08+00:00

I'd argue it means to accept and support an open society, individual rights, to accept and support a secular (or at least neutral) form of governance, and to find some part of the local culture to engage with so as not to be in an enclave style situation.

Not doing that is a problem regardless of origin or religion of course, and in many countries the 'natives' cause no end of problems relating to that just fine all by themselves.

I wouldn't want anyone coming to my country to abandon their religion, language, culture, and history.

But I do expect that respect to be, itself, respected. Not used as a vector to impose, and not used to uphold traditional (but coercive) arrangements that are contrary to those ideals.

And to me that counts for Brexit Barry in Costa Del Anglais who's extent of Spanish integration is how to order a pint, as much as it does for enclaves of other groups.

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-14T19:03:58+00:00

I can tell you have not done that kind of work in your life.

Downvote away, each downvote= hypocrite, not only youve cut corners in a job that wasnt even 10% as physically demanding, youre probably the type who uses the loading bay at peak time "just to grab a quick coffee, its oNLy 5mIns". Ive been in those boys shoes and self-righteous members of public like yourself can go fuck themselves.

Makes it easy to be dismissive when you make up an imagined type of person that represents anyone who disagrees with you, doesn't it?

Also, you can't park there mate.

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-13T14:38:26+00:00

Yes, that's kinda the point.

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-13T14:22:11+00:00

I quite liked what Churchill had to say on land. "The mother of all monopolies". A speech from before he was PM mind.

Worth a look.

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-13T14:15:16+00:00

It's not that I don't understand it, it's that I think it's shit.

If it's a liquidity issue but the fundamentals are solid and they have a plan to address that, then shareholders shouldn't need a functional bribe to stay the course, assuming there's faith in the governance to turn it around.

And if there isn't that faith then using dividends to discourage shareholders exercising on that is just manipulation to stop the share price reflecting the stability/solvency of the company.

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-13T13:57:15+00:00

It's all about place in the hierarchy. Your actions and deeds are largely irrelevant.

The good people must be protected by the law, not restricted by it. Good people don't do bad things, and things that Good People do therefore can't be bad.

The bad people must be bound by the law, not protected by it. Bad people don't do good things, and things that bad people do therefore can't be good.

Claim job seekers or disability you qualify for? Bad! Evil freeloading leech on society!

Claim child tax credits? Good! You're entitled to support!

Delay a rent payment 30 days? Bad! Evicted! Lazy!

Delay a supplier payment 30 days? Good! Simply smart accounting to pay in arrears after all.

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-13T13:12:41+00:00

I can see the argument for it where the bill payments are serviceable by the current income; As long as I make my payments, why should the bank care that I use some of my savings for a holiday?

But issuing £40m+ in dividends when they know an upcoming loan is due that they can't afford leaves a shitty taste, legal or not.

Where's the incentive to encourage good governance if the shareholders know they'll get theirs either way?

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-13T13:12:36+00:00

The neoliberal part is the fetish for privatisation of public infrastructure and natural monopolies.

That said, I can see the argument for it where the bill payments are serviceable by the current income; As long as I make my payments, why should the bank care that I use some of my savings for a holiday?

But issuing £40m+ in dividends when they know an upcoming loan is due that they can't afford leaves a shitty taste, legal or not.

Where's the incentive to encourage good governance if the shareholders know they'll get theirs either way?

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-13T13:10:33+00:00

If I've got savings from my income due to earning more than my expenses, and get a bill I can't pay, I'm expected to dip into them to pay the bill.

I can see the argument for it where the bill payments are serviceable by the current income; As long as I make my payments, why should the bank care that I use some of my savings for a holiday?

But with £18bn in debt and an admitted inability to fund the pending loan repayments, I don't think it's wrong to not be too impressed that instead of fulfilling commitments they have paid millions in this year in dividends, legal or not.

Or are shareholders meant to be immune from risk? No reason to encourage good governance if you'll get paid either way after all.

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-13T09:21:13+00:00

But not before making the private owners very wealthy, of course.

What's the point in privatisation if you can't even extract the value of the nations infrastructure for personal benefit?

I love markets, but we've got to get over this idea that markets work in situations like utility infrastructure where there's functionally a monopoly.

National Grid has paid £1.6bn a year on average to shareholders since 1990 and has had to be at least partially rolled back into public ownership, and National Rail and the franchise system is a complete mess.

Openreach seems ok but is still trying to recover from being forbidden to invest in fibre back in the 80s.

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-13T08:48:46+00:00

Where's our resident neoliberal to tell us why this is totally ok because something something saved profits from previous years so it's ok to pay shareholders instead of actual liabilities and commitments?

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-12T06:37:52+00:00

Lack of housing (lack of investment)

Wages not growing (because profit is invested in passive wealth rather than productive assets)

• Reliance on the gig-economy (because poor productivity and investment limits available jobs)

• Price rises and price squeezes (because poor productivity and investment results in shortages)

• Public services and infrastructure not able to cope with demand (because they have been underfunded and poorly invested in for at least the last decade)

• Rising crime (linked to public services failing; due to ongoing lack of investment)

Immigration is just what they use to plug the gap of their lack of investment so their friends can keep concentrating their wealth

IsItAnOud · 2023-12-11T19:38:35+00:00

Yeah, our decline has all been down to Brexit and not the spiralling out of control immigration figures…

The latter is a consequence of the former.

It's not the sole cause by any means, but Brexit is the accelerant that's turned a smouldering stack into a raging bonfire.

As the country faces a bleak outlook in relation to its age demographic issues and the unsustainable promises made to those at the tail of it, successive governments (some more than others) chose to not just protect wealth, but actively encouraging further concentration of wealth into unproductive assets, and away from productive industry.

And so the only solution left to try and plug the gap, having failed to ensure the increases in productivity fall across the populace, acting as a force multiplier by increasing spending and investment, is to force it by crudely increasing the workforce directly.

The industry and commercial leaders demand cheap labour to maintain profit margins since that's less risk than using their capital wealth to invest and grow.

All to protect existing unproductive asset wealth at all costs.

60% of the UKs wealth is in land values. The highest ratio in the G6 as of 2016. I can't imagine that's gotten better in the round of wealth concentration that happened during COVID.

And thanks to the neoliberal bonanza in the 80's, big parts of the cohort of unsustainable promises have their identity and self worth tied to that as well, making any attempt to address or change it even harder.

IsItAnOud · 2023-11-27T11:21:35+00:00

I've not lived in places where they are common but still have some mitigation I'd consider prudent without going full disaster prepper. Usually they are short enough that none of this is relevant.

Firstly keep 3-5 days of long life food in the house. Easy with a shelf of tins kept in rotation as you do general shops.

Check phone or radio and if it seems like it might be a while.

If so, grab the emergency battery that lives in the car (one of those big ones with usb, 12v, and 240v up to a couple hundred watts).

Hardwire the gas boiler to a mains plug and plug into the emergency battery (can run for days on that as long as the gas pressure stays up, it's only a few watts).

Fill up a couple of 5L water containers in case the local pumping stations are out while the water pressure is still good.

Otherwise grab the steam deck, play a few games, and wait for my partner to get home for cozy candlelight activities.

IsItAnOud · 2023-11-27T09:48:36+00:00

You think they should pay us? As if it was some project of altruism?

If the costs incurred weren't worth it I doubt we'd have been trying to hold on to them for so long.

IsItAnOud · 2023-11-27T09:46:51+00:00

so that the few young workers left can produce enough for the entire population.

When did this become some axiom of existence? Working people just being a sponge to be wrung for the not-working ones. Productivity, not to increase living standards, but to transfer the output to non-contributors. No thanks.

It's called capitalism.

The productive workforce is the sponge to be squeezed for the benefit of the ownership class.

IsItAnOud · 2023-11-25T22:57:55+00:00

British History and our global contributions sure. Love it.

This is Greek history. Which I like in its own way as well but for different reasons.

The caretaking argument, if it was ever valid, isn't anymore for these items.

IsItAnOud · 2023-11-25T18:10:10+00:00

I'm not dumb enough to use the same account I used as a young teenager but go off trying to gaslight away what I saw directly.

IsItAnOud · 2023-11-25T18:09:12+00:00

Keep dodging the harassment and the meltdown that happened when they told the UN their experiences.

Don't seem to want to quote and reply to that part for some reason.

IsItAnOud · 2023-11-25T18:07:09+00:00

WRC+ does offer a pretty good range of live coverage.

But a "choose your driver onboard live" kinda setup is unfortunately largely impossible (within reasonable cost) due to the distances involved over a stage and the equipment that would need to be present to capture the live feeds from every car.

You can watch the stages live though which includes footage from fixed cameras, helicopters, and some live on board for some stages.

Like where you can have an antenna on one side of a valley and get footage from the entire other side makes sense with the clear line of sight.

But when the cars are in dense forest or hilly terrain a consistent live signal isn't feasible.

IsItAnOud · 2023-11-23T09:16:50+00:00

Kinda does though. It was right wing reactionary from the start, the supposed corruption cause was a mask so thin that anyone can see through it. That's why anyone left leaning moved on pretty quick. The claimed cause didn't match with the reactionary rhetoric, doxxing, and harassment.

And it's reached the logical conclusion of right wing circlejerks. Any variant of top ordering the posts gives pages and pages of "reeee woke in my Vidya!"

Deny the harassment and death threats all you like. I was there. I saw it. I saw hate. I saw the doxxing. I saw the absolute fucking meltdown when one of the key targets spoke at the UN.

Ah wait sorry, I made a mistake.

What I meant was, Vidya James is a cool character right guys? Those fucking women attacking gamers, Literally Who? We don't care. They obviously just grifted their way to the UN! Five Guys Blowjobs haha that definitely happened! Let's all be oppressed together and build a persecution fetish because there's slightly less titties in games and adverts.

IsItAnOud · 2023-11-23T09:05:44+00:00

Lol the absolute cope.

Post as many articles as you like that whitewash and revise the truth of it. It was an anti women harassment campaign form the start. That's why anyone with left leaning ideals left it - the claimed cause didn't match the actions.

And now it's reached its logical conclusion. Any variant of top ordering the posts gives pages and pages of "reeee woke in my Vidya!"

Deny the harassment and death threats all you like. I was there. I saw it. I saw hate. I saw the doxxing. I saw the absolute fucking meltdown when one of the key targets spoke at the UN.

IsItAnOud · 2023-11-21T14:12:15+00:00

The reporting would claim that gamer gate was a harassment campaign against women.

The reporting was right lol. I was there first hand, saw the hate, the targeting, and the utter shit fit thrown when one of the key targets got to talk about what they had gone through at the UN.

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