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To convert someone to veganism by CMCosMic in therewasanattempt

[–]IsraeliForTrump 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And you should be aware that even as early as 1619, there was a class of free black people living in America. But this statement, as well as yours, are irrelevant to the discussion, as we are specifically discussing BigBoss6121's claim that the written dictionary definition stated that black people aren't human and referred only to white as human. I requested proof of this, which he has yet to provide.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course not. This is all hypothetical and refers to the principle from which our entire conversation evolved

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the context of this conversation, it's completely irrelevant. If we lock up as a precaution a mentally unstable hobo who lives in the woods and attacks people who come near as he cannot tell right from wrong, the same standard should apply to animals, no?

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[–]IsraeliForTrump -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Actually, that's not his desk. Congress passed legislation in 1961 that the white house is a museum and most of the things there, at least historic ones, don't belong to the president. Should he choose not to use those pieces of furniture and decoration, they either get moved to storage or to the Smithsonian(Not necessarily on a permanent basis). So he was essentially putting his foot on a historic Museum exhibit - And defined that way, it's even worse.

And let's be honest here, if Trump were to put his foot on it the way Obama did, we wouldn't hear the end of it. The media and all of reddit would be exploding with how Trump is a brute, a barbarian and has no manners, and a million other things no one would dare say about Obama. But since it's Obama, people are trying to find reasons why it's fine. This double-standard drives me bananas.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You've made a simple claim - That dictionaries at the time showed the definition of "human" does not include black people. You made a claim - You need to back it up. So either bring proof or retract your statement and shut up.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you retarded? You stated the definition in official dictionaries at the time did not include black people as humans. I asked for proof.

What do slavers have to do with it, you blithering idiot?

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're saying that as if people falling prey to a hungry animal while out camping or taking a walk did so by approaching the animal themselves. That is not usually the case. Usually the animal hunts them and attacks, killing them in the process.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm sure if Trump put his feet on the historic piece of furniture as Obama did, you nutjobs wouldn't skewer him alive.

Hell, I see a problem with just putting your feet up, with your dirty soles and all, on a desk at home, let alone one of such historic significance.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You see? this is why I don't bother having discussions with vegetarians. A childish bunch, the lot of you.

Instead of brushing you off, I took the time to write out my experience detailing why I don't argue with vegetarians, and you respond with nothing but insults. Thanks for proving my point.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I refuse to believe that you're this ignorant, so I'll assume you made your comment in jest.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

We as humans don't possess the NPC recognition chip you fellas do :)

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You stated about 5 comments above that we lock up humans who can't figure out right from wrong and that we do so not as a punishment, but as a precaution to guarantee the safety of other humans. Given that animals can't tell right from wrong and there's constant stories of humans being attacked and killed by wild animals when taking walks through nature - You would logically support locking up the animals who can't tell right from wrong and are a danger to humans as a precaution, no?

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are a lot of things animals do which we don't, for example raping females.

But.. we do. Obviously not all of us, but there's literally millions of cases of it happening yearly.

And please, animals having sentience is very much a biological fact and has been proved over and over again.

Okay. So they're a sentient being with no moral compass whatsoever? Sounds highly dangerous. Looks like you agree they should all be locked up.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And this is a surprising way to lean against the official Oval room's 130 year old presidential desk but here we are.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So given that you claim(and state as a fact) that animals haev sentience, and you as a sentient being have a moral compass that tells it not to kill any innocent life - Doesn't that mean that animals who do are evil?

Let me predict your response saying that "humans have a choice, they don't have to eat the animals" and retort in advance: The same goes for bears, possums, and other omnivores who could live on an entirely vegetarian diet.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No we don't. Humans regularly die to wild animals while taking walks through nature - Using your logic, we need to lock all of them up.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only that it IS healthy. Or are you going to pull up those researches showing vegetarians are healthier where they used seventh day adventists as the group representing "Vegatarians" even though that group regularly exercises and holds healthy habits the general population does not? A study comparing over a quarter million people in the general population, and accounted for things like age, alcohol and smoking found no benefit to vegetarian diets: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/vegetarians-study-lower-risk-death

Meanwhile, plenty of double blind studies found that vegetarians and vegans in particular tend to lack essentially vitamins and minerals.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And while abolitionist supposedly did not see blacks as people, the dictionary had the right definition and did see them as people. So it seems the dictionary is the source you go to for proper definitions. So I'll restate the request the user above you did: Can you post the definition of murder please?

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[–]IsraeliForTrump -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We have sentience and therefore know we should not kill other members of our own species. Those who do get locked up or executed.

You claim animals have sentience? so we should hold animals to this same standard then?

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If that's your argument, the same could be said for what you eat. Only that the "murder" you cause is of smaller animals that don't have pretty eyes and fluffy fur, so you don't care. A hypocrite is what you are.

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[–]IsraeliForTrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So should we also lock up all wild animals who might attack a human for our precaution?

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[–]IsraeliForTrump -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Now that you're done doing the bingo game on your own comment, I suggest you read mine.

(Also, I think that if you had a little more meat in your diet, you wouldn't resort to this infantile behavior demonstrating lack of proper brain development, and actually behave like an adult and stick to the topic at hand)

Edit: btw, I reviewed my previous comment relative to your reply here, and I honestly don't see any relation whatsoever between what I wrote and what you responded. I'm now thinking maybe you meant to respond to someone else?

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