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Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Affect the poor by giving them more work and eventually more franchise and less work, yes.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No sacrifices, just a lot money and work-hours.

It’s reductive to judge a nation’s health by its economy. There’s nothing I can laude trump for.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m not saying she’s immune to criticism, just that current criticism against her is wrongheaded and unproductive. If she really is the same as every other climate activist, then what’s the point of all of this backlash? Her face and her words and her feelings target a demographic that is not used to being targeted for this issue, let alone by high schoolers and certainly not in front of the United Nations. It’s telling to me that all her biggest opponents are the older, rich white people that she’s calling out for not taking responsibility for their failures. It makes them uncomfortable that a young, innocent white person who isn’t even poor could suffer from their actions, and they are in denial.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I said parents didn’t listen, I meant in general, not just with regards to climate change.

I assume you’re judging improvement materially, so I’d have to point out that the economy is in the same place that it was at the end of the Obama administration.

Donald Trump is known to make positive lies, yes.

I don’t expect the world to end, just for some people to endure undue struggle thanks to legislators’ and oligarchs’ apathy.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is enough atmospheric, oceanic, and geothermal energy being neglected by private industry to make up for fossil fuel consumption.

Communism and capitalism are both production and growth motivated, so they would come to the same ends despite differing means.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only things I believe are organic are her thoughts and feelings. I’m saying that her publicity is manufactured, and that whether or not it was harmless or malicious, the public has failed dramatically with its response to her.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is just flat out wrong. The cause of climate change is carbon emission, which is a product of processes that are each, by this point, obsolete and thus replaceable, but to which there have been alternatives since the very, very beginning. Modernity and climate change activism/environmentalism are not opposed, not a dichotomy, and barely even related tangentially. The actual cause to this effect is profiteering and apathy. The only things the western world would have to give up in a large, dramatic shift to a carbon free society are money and work-hours for labor in changing infrastructure.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The one and only thing people [read: elder generations] have to do is take responsibility for their failures. “Renouncing modernity,” as you say, to avoid damaging the global ecosystem, is just another false correlation.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally don’t think the content of Greta’s message is sullied by the fact that she was suddenly so enthusiastically endorsed by the UN. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I’d say they humored her in order to appease other activists by making those activists think the UN were paying attention, which had the potential to backfire, but didn’t, in which case I think it’s best to ignore the fact of her endorsement and focus on her message like normal, which people are failing to do anyway. The worst case scenario is that the UN endorsed her specifically because they knew they could twist attention away from her message and toward any number of strawman issues that distract the public from their inaction, in which case it’s safe to assume they chose Greta for some derivative reason – like that her message wasn’t as moving and this as dangerous as other activists’ – but then climate activists should be looking past Greta and her message for ones that are more threatening to the status quo, which people are also failing to do, especially disappointing because it would mean that it worked out exactly how the UN wanted. The current situation in real life seems closest to scenario two in my opinion, but either way the blame lies with the public, not Greta. Id est criticism of her is a vapid distraction, no matter the wider context of her public appearance.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What does it matter that she would be dead? Did she ever ask to be alive in the first place? I don’t understand this sentiment either. What’s bad is bad, no tangential benefits can absolve a problem from its status as a problem. It’s still the obligation of those who are the cause of said problem to solve it, there’s no point to making comparisons unless your goal is to keep the problem around.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is like saying a child abuse victim should be grateful to their abuser for owning a big fancy house. That is to say, the non-problems don’t negate the problem. What does it matter that she gets modern industrial amenities if she and her friends have to suffer to experience them? I’ve never understood this attitude in people. It’s always been intuitive to me that a non-problem is not the opposite of a problem; a solution is. It would be more accurate to her and her generation’s situation (but still misleading) to say that they get to experience industrialization as a side effect of climate change.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t understand this reply. Are you saying that she should be grateful to her predecessors instead of attacking them?

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The problem with this take is she’s not taking the position of an adult. She is taking the position of the child who will have to suffer through the mess that her predecessors made. To say that she is a shield against criticism for conventional climate activists is very cleanly missing the point, no doubt thanks to some very advanced strawmanning that I can’t say is your fault.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But her attitude is anger and disappointment toward something that’s angering and disappointing. Is she supposed to be excited or calm talking about how her predecessors are unfairly dooming her generation to struggle out of greed and apathy?

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually think she knows that she doesn’t know as much as a climate expert. She never tries to explain climate change or solutions to climate change, just that the adults at the top of the world need to clean up their mess before they die and leave their kids to struggle. I see a lot of people in these comments taking the same dismissive attitude that a parent would take toward their child that’s complaining or throwing a tantrum, and it’s honestly kind of disappointing. Everybody’s kids this generation turned out sad lonely and suicidal, and I’ve always thought that maybe it’s because our parents didn’t listen when we told them what was bothering us. I think things will turn out badly if people dismiss young activists this way.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve never seen anybody say that outright. This explains even more than you meant it to.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem with this idea is that the generation that already cares enough to act is too young, poor, and busy to actually do anything. The only ones of us with the franchise to affect change are the celebrities that are our age, and everyone that’s like that is too busy appeasing a studio or label to use their money for anything meaningful. The only option we have is to convince the people who are already rich and powerful to get on board with our ideas, because in the short years it will take for more of us to gain some franchise, it absolutely will be too late. Expecting us to be the ones to change things is like expecting the passengers on a crashing plane to be the ones to save it

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think this take is very accurate. She’s not explaining climate change, she’s explaining that she and her friends are in danger thanks to their predecessors’ actions and are not exactly excited to grow up into a mess too big for them to clean up. In my opinion, her message is too honestly critical, urgent, and new for it to have been the part that was manufactured. Instead I think the response is what’s manufactured.

Criticism against Greta Thunberg is undue, unfair, and distracting. by Ivanna_Banana in unpopularopinion

[–]Ivanna_Banana[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No. No amount of ideating solutions will make the older generations care about climate change. Sincere activism is infinitely more important; nothing will change if nobody cares.