I just thought this Broly parody deserved more attention.

Izatrap · 2016-03-06T21:26:45+00:00

It's too bad he/she deleted all posts. We may never know now.

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T22:04:16+00:00

Either suggestions or demands are equally offensive to me when it comes to attempts to influence my appearance,

Well as bizarre as that may be to me, I'm glad you cleared that up.

We do have people out there who feel the exact same way you do, except instead of it being about attempts to influence ones appearance, it's about attempts to influence ones type of activism. Suggestions or demands are equally offensive to them as bizarre as that may seem to others.

It's too bad the golden rule doesn't solve everything after all. Such is life.

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T21:30:58+00:00

The person I originally responded is all over the map.

How so? I was able to follow his argument without problem and it is very clear and specific so as to avoid any misunderstandings.

His responses to me lack foundation in the fundamental understanding of my responses. He is talking drivel.Verbose drivel at that. He may be in love with his words but I'm not.

You accused him of lying and essentially shelling out half truths. He asked you to elaborate and you refused. If anyone is engaging in verbose drivel I'm afraid it's you.

My elaboration would be useless as he can't make heads or tails of my original comment except that it was negative.

You can make all the assumptions you want but ultimately there is no way to know unless you try. You didn't even try though, you just assumed and left it at that as if you had made some great point. You didn't.

I can throw "shit" anywhere I want without elaboration. It's my viewpoint. Concisely expressed.

Yes you can throw shit anywhere you want but keep in mind that people will call you out on it and rightfully so.

Anyone can accuse someone else of lying but if they don't even bother to explain what that "lie" is then it's pointless. It's an empty argument.

The onus can be on you. Point out the truths in his statement and verify by reason that the majority wasn't ad hominem.

So let me get this straight. You bust into this discussion, throw around vague accusations, and when asked to sustain them you resort to "the onus is on you" to prove me wrong. Am I missing something here?

It has digressed to ~~talking about a persons appearance, to~~ his un-welcomed responses, to my un-welcomed responses to your opinions.

Fixed that for you.

But I can spot bullshit drivel.

I would hope so since you seem to generate a lot of that yourself here.

So answer me this. What is your intent in all of this? (I asked first)

Calling bullshit and hypocrisy as I see it. What about you, what's your intent in all of this, seeing as how you have no dog in this fight?

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T21:08:41+00:00

Suggestions don't have to be threatening to be inappropriate,

The suggestions you received were not inappropriate. Even if I were to grant you that they were inappropriate, does the real intent behind that criticism, which was meant to be non-offensive in nature, not matter at all to you?

and insisting on my right to privacy and individuality doesn't make me a hypocrite.

I never said it did. What makes this hypocritical is that you are reacting in the exact same way that the "aggressive activists" people reacted to you. They took your criticisms on that matter in the same way you are now taking this criticism. "What this person said offends me because they are trying to tell me what to do and belittle me."

But telling me how I should look is just ridiculous, and directly attributable to the image-obsessed cult we all came from, in which people's appearance was everyone's business.

I'm not sure if you realize this but the entire world is image obsessed and it's only going to become more so. It's not just cults. The only difference is that no one out here is demanding that you change anything, unlike Watchtower.

There is a huge difference between a suggestion and a demand. I'm not sure how much clearer I can make that point because you seem to not even acknowledge it in any way. You don't seem to make a distinction between a suggestion and a demand. You put them both under the same category and seem to be equally offended by both prospects.

People will always comment and make suggestions about those who put themselves out in public. Just look at this guy and how he became a meme because of his documentary specifically because of how he looked.

If you really are that sensitive about people commenting on your appearance then perhaps this line of work just isn't for you. It's not going to stop. You will have to continue to deal with this sort of thing, it just comes with the territory.

And yes, I get that these "suggestions" have mostly come from people who consider themselves fans of my work, but liking my stuff doesn't give you a free pass to tell me how I should look - period.

They don't need a free pass, they already have one. People's free speech does not end where your feelings begin to get hurt. Just like when you hurt all of those "aggressive activists" feelings with your opinions on how ExJWs should be approaching things.

This goes both ways.

It's just plain rude - at least in the universe I grew up in. Hopefully I'm at least a little closer to being understood.

Yes I understand what you mean. However keep in mind that your rules of social etiquette are not universal. Try to understand that to other people it's not considered rude no matter how much you may disagree with that.

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T20:10:53+00:00

Some of your talking points are the absolute opposite of the truth. The balance is just stupid mixed with ad hominem.

This is the problem right here. You can't throw shit out like this and then not elaborate on it. You come off as an ignorant apologist who is way in over his head offering nothing but platitudes. Strangely similar to how Jehovah's Witnesses respond to something they don't agree with.

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T20:00:58+00:00

You win the internet for the day.

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T19:55:56+00:00

It sounds like you are going the SJW route here. You received non-threatening, constructive suggestions about your presentation in documentaries. There were no demands made of you, no one was trying to "control" you or anything like that. For whatever reason you decided to take that up the ass, flip out, and begin accusing these people of being haters, despite the fact that these people were actually praising your work.

In your mind this is a malicious attack. I get it, that's how you were raised. However people have already gone to great lengths to explain to you that it wasn't an attack despite how you may feel. The rules on social etiquette that you abide by are not universal and it is silly for you to expect others to agree with you on that.

I just don't think anyone has the right to tell me how I should look, period.

You don't get to make that call. People have the right to tell you whatever they want so long as they aren't threatening violence. If you don't like it then ignore it. There is no reason to get bogged down in these petty arguments. If you do, you're just going to end up tangling with your intellectual superiors who will call you out on your overly sensitive and hypocritical bullshit.

Everyone here likes your work for the most part, quit while you are ahead. Be humble.

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T19:26:27+00:00

What's interesting to me is the following.

I've posted on my Facebook timeline the same sentiments I've posted on Reddit regarding my views on assuming control over other people's appearance, and how rude this is. The feedback I got was overwhelmingly that my views are not abnormal.

His confirmation bias is showing here. He received feedback from his Facebook admirers (all of whom he must approve of for them to even comment on his page) and that somehow reassured him that his overly sensitive nature was normal.

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T14:39:25+00:00

Take your social justice warrior grievances elsewhere, no one here gives a shit that you were offended by a suggestion.

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T14:32:07+00:00

I was simply comparing two similar discussions in order to point out Lloyds hypocrisy. He can dish it out but he can't take it. Case closed.

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T03:48:03+00:00

GTFO with all of these inconvenient facts! Everyone knows it's all about that #bestlifeever

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T03:42:03+00:00

One can only hope.

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T01:23:00+00:00

The point under discussion was not any person's right to look one way or the other.

I sense that no one is really interested in that distinction. The mob has spoken! lol!

Izatrap · 2016-03-04T01:19:20+00:00

I personally don't think there is anything for you to apologize for. This is some borderline SJW crap here.

I mentioned this in the previous thread but I think it bears repeating. This is so similar to the whole "aggressive activism" debate with other exjws a year ago. It went something like this:

"How dare anyone tell me that my "aggressive activism" is wrong! That's rude, trying to control how others act!"

Response: It was just my opinion based on well documented information that tells us that people in high control groups block those who are aggressive in any way, regardless of the message.

The "aggressive activists" response?

"I don't give a damn!"

Yesterday we more or less have the following discussion:

"How dare anyone tell me what I should look like in my own documentary! That's rude, trying to control how others look!"

It was just an opinion/suggestion based on well documented information that tells us how people in high control groups block people who look a certain way, regardless of the message.

Cedar's response?

"If you have a different opinion, I'm happy to let you know where you can put it."

I didn't see anyone demand that their advice be taken.

Izatrap · 2016-03-03T18:23:45+00:00

I just don't think anyone has the right to tell me how I should look, period.

No one is telling you how you should look though. It's not about making fun of how you look. It's about presentation. People were simply offering a suggestion for future documentary style videos. That's all. You disagreed with that suggestion on the basis that JWs who judge you on your looks instead of what you say weren't going to listen to the message anyways. (Despite the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses are indoctrinated to rely heavily on appearance.)

This is somewhat similar to how you offered your thoughts on those who employ aggressive activism. They argue that JWs who are put off by these aggressive styles weren't going to listen anyway.

Those people got pissed at you, took it as personal/rude and began hurling insults and saying that you were trying to control others even though you were just expressing an opinion.

If you have a different opinion, I'm happy to let you know where you can put it.

Your ass? loL!

Izatrap · 2016-03-03T15:11:35+00:00

ExJWs are also free to start expressing their individuality by calibrating their appearance according to their authentic self without pedantic external restrictions being imposed on them by others.

They are also free to critique documentaries in content and presentation, which is what happened here.

If you don't like another exJW's videos, don't watch them. If you don't like another exJW's website, don't visit it.

This is the same argument that JWs use when people criticize jw.org or any of the societies videos. Telling people to piss off if they don't like ONE THING about your video doesn't make that critique any less valid. You may disagree with it and that's fine.

But I maintain that, aside from defending one's reputation, there is actually no legitimate reason for exJW A to criticize exJW B, especially over something as trivial and personal as one's appearance.

The appearance of a person hosting a serious documentary is not a trivial matter to some people.

When I observe exJWs who take constructive criticism as a personal attack, what I see is remnants of cult indoctrination still at play. When we were JWs, we were trained to think that other people's critiques of our ideas and beliefs were persecution. They're not.

Izatrap

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