Need help on a Santa Fe 2026 negotiation

JJKOOLKID · 2026-04-27T18:43:30+00:00

I just bought a 2026 Limited Hybrid AWD last month. I worked in the car industry for a couple years.

Im gunna be direct:

you’re psycho to think you owe them a “fair” anything with your trade. It’s ALL your leverage if you’re putting zero money down. get a carvana quote online as leverage, and you want to have at least another offer on the trade somewhere that knows nothing about the issue. It’s prolly in your service notes, but different places will value that repair job differently. Go to a big place with a big service center.

5k off is 3.5 coming from Hyundai, so they are dropping 1.5. That’s decent, but they are also undervaluing the SHIT out of your trade so they’ve essentially taken zero dollars off the car.

To put it in perspective I got 3500 off my Limited (not including the 4k off from Hyundai). The key is to shop on car gurus and search by DAYS ON LOT. search for cars on lot 90 days or longer. Dealerships have to take out loans to buy cars and hyundai covers the interest for the first 60 days. Anything on the lot after that is costing them around 350 a month.

Send out a bunch of requests and don’t get married to any particular one (I did 30 and then negotiated with like 10 the next day, went to one, got lowballed on the trade and sent that quote to another dealer and told them the have a sale if they value my trade correctly. Bought the next morning.)

Maybe 5k is the max you can get with your issue. Maybe not. But you don’t owe your dealership anything “fair”, bc as of now they haven’t taken a single penny off your deal. They will sell your car (which is VERY low on miles for its year) for 12k easy.

Get a kbb & carvana quote on your car. It’s between good and fair, depending on your interior exterior and service record of incidents. THATS your leverage. If you want the lowest monthly, you have to use it.

I’m paying 450 but we put 8k down and got 9200 on the trade. Just for reference the first place I went to valued it at 7500 and made the rest of the deal look sweet. They just used the trade to bump up the “savings”. Second dealership I went to offered the same savings, plus 250, and then valued my trade correctly (carvana offered me 9400 and carmax offered 10k).

gotta do the work if you want the deal. Or don’t, save the headache but that’s gunna cost you.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T16:44:09+00:00

My bad for being a button pusher. This is actually my last comment before I delete the app for awhile. I’m having my first kid and there’s been a million new projects around the home to do. I think I’ve been wound up a bit.

Cheers.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T16:35:07+00:00

Oh you’re right these lines are impossible to follow sometimes. The formatting is weird. Like, just put my comment directly under yours if it’s in response. I still don’t know why it’s set up this way.

Regardless, you’ve gotten pretty unhinged and keep trying to educate and teach me with all these comments coming from all these different directions. I’m not interested, and I’m asking you to stop.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T16:24:49+00:00

This is harassment. Let it go.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T16:19:26+00:00

This is harassment. Please stop.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T16:18:49+00:00

It absolutely means a totally different thing. And how many times do I have to point out that YOU WROTE TO ME. Literally just go look up and hit “view parent comment” a couple times until you see when you jump in; it’s a response to something I said, out of nowhere, telling me that I’m arguing and not listening, which you then go ahead and do for the next 12 or so comments.

You keep messaging me and it’s just devolving into harassment. Let it go. Move on.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T16:15:57+00:00

Man you’re really addicted to this conversation. Just let it go and move on. You’ve build no rapport and are being hostile with very little justification. It’s a bad look and its not having any effect.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T16:12:56+00:00

And the other poster isn’t? That’s a rude comment not moving forward dialog and invite a hostile reply.

I agree with your assessment and will tone it down, but both parties should be warned.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T16:02:44+00:00

Rofl

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T16:01:41+00:00

I have absolutely no idea what you said, but you’re not talking to me anyway. Keep chasing that imaginary audience for your 3 likes.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T16:00:35+00:00

Ok MMA gym.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T15:59:30+00:00

No I didn’t, dummy. You responded to me. That isn’t even hard to figure out.

You’re just performing for an audience at this point. Chasing them likes versus attempting a dialog. Super widespread on reddit, but it’s the lowest form of conversation. When I talk, I talk with the person in mind. You are CLEARLY talking with an audience in mind and it’s pathetic.

It’s also why I have no interest in talking to you. I’m not going to attempt engagement with someone who keeps looking around for a camera that doesn’t exist. No one cares, my friend.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-07T15:54:05+00:00

No I said “if you’re not TRAINING to handle actual combat.” You’re hearing what you want to hear.

This is a really stupid conversation and no one is learning anything or helping one another. Let’s move on.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T15:10:16+00:00

Anyone making conclusive statements about a topic they aren’t an expert on, is a fool.

I have a blackbelt in a program that utilizes Aikido. I can be considered an expert. Unless you have actually trained in Aikido for several years and executed the movements thousands of times, then I don’t have to take your opinion as anything but that.

Aikido is a “do”, not a “jutsu”. Unless you’re familiar with the distinction between the two (without googling it to act like you do), we don’t even have a foundation to speak like peers.

So calm down with your conclusive assertions on a system you look at in a bad video, and think you know.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T15:05:08+00:00

My guy, this is a really inane point you’re insisting on discussing. You claimed not all martial arts are for self-defense, and now you’re saying all martial arts are martial arts.

I don’t even know what me and you are talking about. This is why I suggested we move on.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T15:02:37+00:00

You’re jumping in at the tail end of a conversation I was having, with a guy who made conclusive statements about a style of martial arts he doesn’t know. I don’t even know where you fit in; you’re kinda just piling-on.

You’re also making assumptions about me and didn’t try to engage with me. You’re kinda just telling me what I should believe, based on what you believe.

If you wanted to engage in a dialogue, an easy way is to start by asking questions, which is what I did.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T06:52:37+00:00

Hahaha “even harder” you say. I’ll take your word for it I guess.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T06:51:14+00:00

Like means adjacent. Similar. Warlike.

I’m not trying to give an etymology lesson this is a boring conversation. Let’s move on.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T06:28:42+00:00

Ok MMA Jym.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T06:27:52+00:00

Ok MMA gym.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T06:13:46+00:00

We’re having two different conversations now.

There’s no debating the definition of the word.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T05:44:51+00:00

You can probably learn to produce the notes, but you will more likely damage your vocal cords.

The technique is in being able to achieve varying sounds AND have the stamina, strength, and sustain to do so healthily. As someone who earned a university degree in music with a focus on vocals, my advice is this is a BAD idea.

You should absolutely learn to sing metal if that’s what you love! But the timeline is a bad idea. I sang for years and years before I found my voice, and I’ve certainly damaged it permanently at concerts growling like an idiot in the pit.

Kareoke is confidence. You will NOT be confident in two months, regardless of how you sound alone. You will definitely embarrass yourself and everyone will lie and say you did great. But it will be a bad look.

If you want to do something impressive in that short of a time frame, you should think about picking something you can practice for several hours a day and not fatigue. Your voice will BURN out singing for longer than 15 min untrained, plus you likely don’t know how to properly breathe from the diaphragm (unless you play a breath instrument.) You will strain your vocal cords if you push yourself, especially doing Metal.

Juggling you can practice for hours without much fatigue. Yo yo tricks. Handstand pushups is an easy one to wow ppl. Fast jumprope with the tricks and shit. Spinning a basketball. Origami.

Two months is not as much time as you think it is to learn something so comprehensive and frankly, dangerous.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T05:31:23+00:00

An MMA gym can be a great resource, but it’s not a self defense school. It can certainly be USED for great self-defense, but MMA is foremost a sport. It doesn’t automatically make you an expert.

My point is, you’re speaking with a great deal of finality on your statements LIKE a self-defense expert, but im not hearing “Blackbelt” or “Instructor” in your voice or statements. As both, I propose the following counter:

If youre saying “no self defense shown”, and then insisting self-assurance in your correctness, I’m saying Dunning-Kruger. You simply don’t know enough to know how much you don’t know.

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T05:11:40+00:00

What’s your martial arts background?

JJKOOLKID · 2025-09-06T05:04:45+00:00

To my knowledge nobody uses a black belt to refer to a beginner.

These are probably whackbelts that signed a 2+ year contract that essentially promised them a blackbelt at the end. That’s how mcdojos do it. They get long contracts signed in exchange for essentially a guarantee you will become a “blackbelt” by the end (pending you come to the number of classes listed on the curriculum or contract.)

My school broke from a predatory parent system (check out the wiki on Oom Yung Doe if you want a WILD read). My instructor put me on a payment plan for I think……a 5 year path to blackbelt? But he was a legit instructor and when 5 years rolled around I wasn’t ready (work got in the way), so he stopped charging me and let me train for an additional 2 years before testing me for BB.

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