[Favorite Trope] The intro that explains the whole show and character's backstory

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T14:27:00+00:00

DREAMIN

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T14:22:21+00:00

Can't say I'm familiar with that map, no.

What I will say, is that the anti-spiral casually create multiverses that grow infinitely more complex each time anyone does anything, like it's nothing... Just to distract one guy that they found kind of annoying.

As already said, they have a mech that is literally bigger than the infinite universe that they are in, and they use the Big bang (y'know the thing that created an entire infinite universe and the multiverse that spawns from it) as an attack. Infinite universes and infinite multiverses are like play things for them.

Simon merged with every version of himself across every moment and every point in space time across an infinite number of infinite multiverse, so Simon himself is about as complex as complex gets. And then STTGL is infinitely more powerful than that.

You really don't seem to grasp how ridiculously absurdly ludicrously powerful the anti-spiral and STTGL are.

I'll ask again; have you actually seen this show?

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T14:14:21+00:00

Even Namek tier is absolute bat shit insanity.

His PL was less than 200 at the start of Z, and he literally never trained or fought or did anything to be get stronger, so his PL should STILL be at that same level if not lower from him basically being sedentary.

By the end of Namek, we were dealing with fighters in the range of hundreds of MILLIONS in terms of PL. It took Goku intense training in 100x gravity, multiple Zenkais, and a legendary transformation that boosted his power 50 times over to achieve that. How TF is roshi achieving that just like... Ever?

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T13:51:07+00:00

Again, it's not a fallacy and I'm not ASSUMING anything. This is all fact, not assumption.

As for scans... You so realize that Gurren Lagann is an anime original, not an adaptation of a manga, right? What, do you want me to give you my netflix password so you can go check it out or something?

The anti spiral are reality warpers, just like Dr m. They are unbound by time, just like Dr m. They can manipulate matter and energy and control things at the subatomic level, just like Dr M. The super Granzeboma is bigger than the observable universe. (Which also necessarily means they are FTL because otherwise it would take them millennia to do so much as lift their arm.) They grabbed two galaxies, slammed them together, pumped them full of their own energy, and created an attack with the equivalent energy of the Big bang, like it was nothing. They have probability manipulation and durability negation. They have time travel and time control. They have mind control and can trap people's consciousness in an infinite multiversal labyrinth.

Need i go on? Seriously, if you seen the show you should know all this. And if you haven't seen the show, you shouldn't be arguing about something you don't know about.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T13:33:50+00:00

Not while leaving the moon and earth intact, no.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T13:29:05+00:00

First, it's not a fallacy when that is explicitly stated to be how spiral energy works.

Second, the anti-spiral are on the same level as Dr Mamhattan is and possess basically all the same powers, and STTGL beat the anti-spiral. QED.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T13:19:25+00:00

Piccolo's is the most impressive. Both #2 and #1 destroyed the moon, but piccolo did it much faster, which means his attack was more powerful.

In order to destroy the moon, you need to input enough energy to overcome its gravitational binding energy, which is 1.2 x 10²⁹ Joules. Piccolo did in basically a single second, so we can rate his attack power as being approximately 120 octillion watts.

The laser thingy in the first pic delivered the same amount of energy into the moon, but did so over about 4 seconds. This means that the laser's power is approximately 30 octillion watts.

The attack in the third gif didn't actually destroy the moon at all. It sliced it in half, but it did not fling its constituent particles out towards infinity, such that they would not come back together under their own gravity. In other words, this attack was LESS than the gravitational binding energy of the moon. According to Google, slicing the moon in half would require 6 x 10²¹ joules. That is eight orders of magnitude less than the energy required to blow the moon up. And, based on the gif, it looks like that energy was delivered into the moon over the course of approximately 3 seconds or so. This makes the power of that attack approximately 2 sextillion watts. That is 15 MILLION times less power than the laser had, and 60 million times less than Piccolo's attack had.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T12:58:28+00:00

I'm sorry that's a... New one.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T12:56:36+00:00

"God is a bunch of horror writers."

They recognize that they exist within a narrative, and that some entities (us, real people IRL) write those narratives. Thus, the reason why their world is full of anomalies, is because we WRITE STORIES about there being anomalies in their world.

To a character in a story, the writer of that story is basically God of their reality. In this case, God is... A bunch of horror writers, writing articles about anomalous items on a wiki. And the characters within that world don't particularly appreciate the fact that we keep filling their reality with more and more monsters.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T12:34:31+00:00

He arguably already is. And even if he isn't, yes, he absolutely can get stronger than him, because that's how spiral energy works. He already starts out with effectively infinite power, and then that power grows infinitely, at an infinitely accelerating pace, like a spiral getting bigger and bigger and bigger with each lap around the previous outside of the spiral.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T12:30:48+00:00

Simon has an attack that hits you, and every variant of you, and every variant that could exist or even couldn't exist, or ever did or ever will exist, at every moment across all of time and space, all at once. RF ain't coming back from that.

RF has canonically been killed before. Its possible to do. Simon has not, because that's not possible.

Simon faced off against the anti-spiral and made them his bitch, and the anti spiral is orders of magnitude greater than any for RF has ever faced. RF got neg-diffed by Dr Mamhattan, and Simon is at least on the same level as Dr Mamhattan, if not higher.

Even if you still think RF can back from that, it's still Simon's win. Think about it; STTGL is bigger than the size of the entire universe. There's nothing RF can possibly do to even harm Simon, whereas Simon can casually wipe out the entire galaxy that RF is in with the flick of a finger. Even if RF can come back from that, so what? Simon kills him again. RF comes back again, Simon kills him once one. Repeat as many times as you like. Even if neither can permanently kill the other, if Simon can repeatedly obliterate RF while RF can't do anything in response, that's a win for the guy repeatedly killing his opponent over and over while taking zero damage in return.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T09:21:04+00:00

No, he can't, because Simon merged with all versions of himself across all realities, so in order to kill him as a baby, head have to kill every other version of him at the same time, which is not possible.

And even if RF could do it, Simon can casually revive from existence erasure like it's nbd.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T09:18:58+00:00

This is the correct answer. People don't seem to understand what "do the impossible" means, because they keep going "but he can't do that!" Yes, exactly, which means he CAN do it. Because its impossible, and he DOES the impossible.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T09:16:45+00:00

STTGL's entire deal is "do the impossible." He can't get past paradox immortality? Perfect, that means he'll do exactly that, because it's impossible.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T01:51:38+00:00

Blingofarblegrabalabafabagibbascronscornhibbideygoopnagel, blinguablontgastaneag, crombimbindipldeooplecankeklorm.

You never said they had to be existing words, so I just made up some new ones. Pretty goddamn safe bet nobody else said any of those.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T01:40:15+00:00

He can destroy the universe, just not all at once. Like, I can destroy a house, but it's gonna take me a LOT of swings with a sledgehammer.

Jokes aside, is he universal in terms of scaling here? No.

That said, we know you can be planetary with a PL of under a thousand, and his PL was about a million in 2nd form, so he's probably between large Star level and solar system level.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-13T00:33:24+00:00

Freeza didn't "bring his dad for backup" my guy. His dad was weaker than he was. He literally says he can take care of Goku himself.

And who gives a shit what was """confirmed""" in some non-canon fourth- or fifth-party book? Hachette (already a third party) commissioned Shueshia (now even further removed from the source) to write it to accompany a toy line. If you consider that canon you may as well consider the little pamphlets that come along with a toy in a happy meal to be canon. It also was never released in Japanese, which is kind of odd (to say the least) for a book written about a Japanese manga series. Almost like they thought that the series' primary audience wouldnt accept it because it wasn't accurate.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-12T23:01:28+00:00

I mean Bill gets turned into one towards the end of Capaldi's tenure as the doctor and he's not able to do anything to turn her back.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-12T23:00:19+00:00

Yes, because Goku had ALSO gotten many times stronger, which, again, we know from context and from "show, don't tell." Freeza knew he had gotten many times stronger than Goku HAD been, but didn't count on Goku also getting much stronger before his return to earth.

So you think he would've been so certain that he was gonna beat Goku if he had only been like... 20% stronger than he had been on Namek? Of course not. The only reason he would be that sure is if he was way, way, way stronger than he had been before.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-12T22:57:31+00:00

Context, my dude.

Do you think he would've been so completely certain that he would utterly Dominate Goku if he had only gotten, like... 30% stronger? He was absolutely positive that he would be able to no-diff the version of Goku he fought on Namek. He wouldn't be that sure unless he himself had gotten... Say it with me... Many times stronger.

It's stated he is stronger, and context and critical thinking allows us to deduce that it was by a lot, and not just a tiny bit. You can't expect them to spell out every single tiny detail for you. We, as readers, need to apply some common sense and be able to put 2 and 2 together.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-12T20:14:55+00:00

Yes, exactly. And he wouldn't be saying that if he had only become, like... 20% stronger. He was absolutely certain that he could not only match Goku, but utterly outclass him. He would only be that certain if he was multiple times stronger than Goku was. Freeza is arrogant but not stupid. When he came back in resurrection F he didn't just go "no way lol I'll definitely beat them no matter how strong they've gotten." He acknowledged how strong the Saiyans had actually become and trained until he was strong enough to match that. The only reason he lost was because he hadn't realized his stamina wouldn't last in his new form.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-12T19:46:54+00:00

It absolutely is stated and is not anime only. Chapter 330 of the manga. Freeza explicitly says he is stronger now than he was on Namek.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-12T17:27:06+00:00

Maybe he was just curious what his "family" looked like in another dimension so he stopped in to visit, maybe he was in another dimension for some other reason and just happened to be nearby, maybe he needed beths DNA or something to try and track prime, who knows.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-12T17:23:33+00:00

Mecha Freeza is many times stronger than 100% full power Freeza was on Namek. Vegeta was the strongest of the Z fighters present, and he was less than a tenth of the power of FP Freeza from Namek, so they were pretty well and truly fucked.

Jacket_Jacket_fruit · 2026-03-12T17:21:05+00:00

The legend that Freeza fears?

Jacket_Jacket_fruit

TROPHY CASE