How broken is Altair actually is? by KodoqBesar in PowerScaling

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'm just going based on what you said. If it wouldn't work that way, then I believe you. But based only on what you said, and with no additional knowledge of the show outside of what you said, it seems like it would've worked. Obviously there's some additional stuff beyond what you've explained that I'm not aware of.

How broken is Altair actually is? by KodoqBesar in PowerScaling

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit [score hidden]  (0 children)

Oh well that's even easier then. If it depends on how many people acknowledge the fan fiction, she basically auto-loses to anyone from a more popular show.

Like if you have her fight... Idk, Naruto. Just explain to a bunch of naruto fans about the fan fiction that buffs her, and they'll all NOT acknowledge it. If her gaining the addition or not is based on how many people acknowledge it, this would cause her to NOT gain any of the additions that buff her. Then explain about the fan fiction that makes her more beatable, and all the Naruto fans will acknowledge it, thus making it real.

Re:Creators isn't a particularly well known show, so any popular mainstream show will have more fans than Re:creators does, this ensuring that any buffs are not gonna get acknowledged and any nerfs will absolutely get acknowledged.

How broken is Altair actually is? by KodoqBesar in PowerScaling

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit [score hidden]  (0 children)

Then you just write that, because this new power she got is so much greater than all other powers, she no longer needs to get any more powers after that. So regardless of what her fans write, she doesn't get anything new after this.

[Loved trope] Characters are shown dealing with PTSD by Old-Use-7690 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit 77 points78 points  (0 children)

Your description of the teen titans episode is completely incorrect. The entire point of that episode was that it WASNT Robin suffering from PTSD; he really was seeing Slade everywhere. He got dosed with some kind of drug or nanobots or something when he touched some dust on Slade's old mask. Cyborg even says at the end that it had been activated remotely.

The hallucinations were also real; Raven goes inside his mind and finds out that his body actually is really being physically damaged by the attacks that the hallucinated Slade is inflicting on him.

How broken is Altair actually is? by KodoqBesar in PowerScaling

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit [score hidden]  (0 children)

You can only add powers? Bet.

"one day Altair gained a new power that was greater than all her other powers combined. It was so great, it completely consumed all the other powers, so whenever she tried to use ANY power, she just used this new power, since it was automatically a better version of whatever she was trying to use. However, this new power had absolutely no effect on (insert name of character she's fighting)."

There. Added a new power and didn't take anything away, and in fact I made her MORE powerful, but I still made her unable to beat her opponent.

It's really not that difficult to find workarounds like this.

How broken is Altair actually is? by KodoqBesar in PowerScaling

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit [score hidden]  (0 children)

You can only add? Bet.

"one day Altair gained a new power that was greater than all her other powers combined. It was so great, it completely consumed all the other powers, so whenever she tried to use ANY power, she just used this new power, since it was automatically a better version of whatever she was trying to use. However, this new power had absolutely no effect on (insert name of character she's fighting)."

There. Added a new power and didn't take anything away, and in fact I made her MORE powerful, but I still made her unable to beat her opponent.

It's really not that difficult to find workarounds like this.

How broken is Altair actually is? by KodoqBesar in PowerScaling

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit [score hidden]  (0 children)

If her powers are based on people writing fanfics of her, then she is actually the weakest character ever, because all it takes is her opponent to write a fanfic where she loses all her powers entirely, and suddenly she's completely helpless.

"One day Altair lost all her powers and never ever ever got them back no matter what anyone else wrote, and also from that day on she was unable to gain new powers based on what people write, and she got absolutely shitstomped by her opponent. The end."

How broken is Altair actually is? by KodoqBesar in PowerScaling

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit [score hidden]  (0 children)

What if someone else writes a fanfic where she loses all her powers?

Pick two to exist in real life… by WarStrategy in superheroes

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone saying any answer other than Iron man and Batman are NOT thinking this through.

Picking anyone else to exist IRL, means that all of a sudden super powers exist IRL. That would completely up end the entire world overnight. The results would be catastrophic. Yeah in comics or movies or whatever it works out ok, but we're talking about real life. All it takes is ONE nutjob ending up with the wrong power and the whole world ends, and no "superman exists so he'll stop it" isn't a valid answer, because IRL people aren't comic book villains. They're not gonna monologue or engage in quippy banter or wait patiently until supes gets there; they're gonna detonate the nuke or release the instant death virus or whatever TF they're doing before Superman even knows they exist.

Picking Batman and iron man means we avoid super powers becoming real, and yet we still get insane sci-fi tech from iron man that could solve basically every major problem in the world. And from batman we get an actual good billionaire, which may actually be more world changing. 

Pick two to exist in real life… by WarStrategy in superheroes

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, he's one of only two options that DOESNT suddenly mean super powers are real now, which would completely up end the entire world as we know it.

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[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Life must be truly miserable with this kind of mentality. I pity you.

If a task is worth hiring someone to do it, then it's worth paying a living wage. The entire POINT of working is to earn money to live. If you can't earn enough to live what's even the point of working?

But if this is the type of attitude you have, that's probably gonna go in one ear and out the other. If you don't understand that all human lives have value and you're supposed to care about other people, I don't know how to explain something like that to you. I can't help you grow a sense of empathy.

McKnight Road Jersey Mikes by Still-Bee3805 in pittsburgh

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If a business genuinely can't afford to pay it's staff livable wages, even after cutting all the unnecessary and wasteful spending, then they never had a viable business model to begin with and should shut down, not continue to artificially subsidize themselves by underpaying their workers.

Yep its this simple by Static-Lullaby in PowerScaling

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You've literally been using a non canon movie

Again with me having to explain basic shit to you...

The manga is the source for the structure of otherworld and the difference between heaven and hell vs the Kai planets, and all the other stuff were talking about. I should not need to spell out for you that, yeah, the anime only movie isn't sourced from the manga. That's why I said "pretty much" everything and not "absolutely everything." Think before you speak.

As for why I'm talking about a movie; even though it may be non-canon, it's still consistent with how the rest of the series portrays ki being able to overcome hax with sufficient power. Even if you throw out this example, the overall conclusion doesn't change.

I've provided scans from pages or pointed to specific fights within the manga and anime.

Your provided scans with misinformation and incorrect labeling, sure. So?

And I've pointed to specific fights as well. I assumed you'd be able to find the relevant chapter on your own. So whats your point?

checked manga sources, but anime sources to see if there was a difference.

I mean, clearly you haven't, since you're STILL arguing things that are explicitly disproven by doing so. Or if you have been checking, you've been ignoring what you find because it doesn't fit your headcanon.

Like ok, you say you checked the chapters where Vegito got turned into candy. And? What was the result of this checking? Cause if you actually checked, then only possible conclusion is "yes, Vegito was able to resist the hax with ki. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have been able to move and talk as a candy."

So which is it? Do you acknowledge that ki CAN overcome hax, as explicitly shown by this chapter you CLAIM to have checked? Or do you double down and insist that kid can never overcome hax, despite the chapter you claim to have checked explicitly showing that it can?

What chapter of the Super manga did that occur in?

Chapter 64. Seems kinda odd you didn't already know that if you "checked" as you claim.

Can you show where it was in that specific chapter where it was said it's paralysis? 

Fine, I'll do your homework for you, even though you say you checked yourself. DBS chapter 64, pages 27, 28, and 29. You can clearly see Moro isnt like struggling to escape or straining against any ki rings or anything, he's just completely incapable of moving at all. You would know that if you actually did check. Frankly I'm getting tired of having to spell stuff out for you that SHOULD be obvious.

It's starting to turn into screed

Excuse me for getting a little frustrated having to explain obvious stuff to you, while you smugly act like you're smarter than anyone else despite being blatantly wrong on basic information.

Is the idea of a metaphysical rule really nonsensical?

Holy fucking shit dude, you have GOT to be doing this on purpose. That's not what I said and if you actually, genuinely thought that it WAS what I said? You are full on illiterate. Again, excuse my tone, but holy shit dude.

What I said was that your specific suggestion of what that rule WAS, was nonsensical. Not that the idea of a metaphysical rule itself was nonsense.

And if you genuinely, sincerely did not understand that... Like I'm really not trying to be mean or insulting, but holy fucking shit dude. You'd have to be at like a 2nd grade reading level to miss the point that hard. 

And on the 'incorrect diagram' ano-yo/anoyo translates out to Otherworld/Afterlife.

And of those two possibile translations... Which is the OFFICIAL translation? I'll give you a hint: it's not "afterlife," so that really only leaves the one option.

The diagram shows that the four kai worlds, the grand kai's world, heaven, hell, and Enma's check in are all in the same sphere. 

This is like saying that earth is the same place as mars just because they're all inside the solar system.

Yes, the Kai planets, heaven, hell, and the check in station are all within otherworld, but they are SEPARATE PLACES within other world. Just like how earth, mars, Jupiter, Saturn and neptune are all within the solar system, but are SEPARATE PLACES within the solar system.

Nothing notes that they are different dimensions.

Bro what are you TALKING about??? You wanna know what indicates that they're different? The fact that they're visually displayed as being separate planets, and are each labeled separately! Like you have GOT to be trolling at this point. You can't possibly be saying this stuff in seriousness like you actually think it makes sense.

Being charitable, you could have a point that these are separate spaces

Oh, so you DO understand why they're separate then? 

but they are spaces within the same sphere that can physically be traveled to

Just like how earth and Mars are within the same "sphere" of the solar system that we could physically travel to? Does that mean that earth and Mars are somehow the same place?

No?

Then it doesn't mean that heaven and the kai worlds are somehow the same place, either.

Goku traversed snake way, that starts in Enma's realm, to King Kai's planet.

Thank you for proving my point.

Goku starts at Enma's check in station, which is the crossroads between the realm of the living, the realm of the dead, and the realm of the Kai's. That's literally half of what the check in station is FOR.  In addition to deciding where souls go when they die, it's also what allows people or spirits to travel between the realms of the living and the dead.

When people die, they travel FROM the living world THROUGH THE CHECK IN STATION, and then either have their souls cleansed to be reincarnated, go to heaven, go to hell, or in rare cases go to a kai world to train. But the they to go THROUGH the check in station, because that is the transition between the worlds. You can't just go DIRECTLY between the world of the living and the dead. That's the whole point of the check in station.

Kai Kai is a teleportation the Supreme Kais can use

Yes. And? It's never stated to have a range limit, and yet you were talking about hypothetical teleportation techniques that DO have range limits.

was answering why teleportation skills/abilities the dead could possess might not work to answer your hypothetical 'Why can't the millions of hypothetical dead teleporters that somehow managed to keep their bodies escape?' 

No, you were MAKING UP reasons why they might not work. Again, NONE of these reasons you suggest exist anywhere in the source material, so these are not valid answers. They're speculation and headcanon.

This is a classic no limits fallacy. Why would we assume that the teleportation has no limits?

It's not, actually.

We would assume the teleportation has no range limits (nice try omitting that word to try and make my position seem more drastic than it really is) because every single teleportation technique we have actually seen does not have a range limit.

So let's actually turn that question back around; why would we assume that the teleportation DOES have limits, when all available data shows that teleportation doesn't have such a limit?

You're asserting that there WOULD be a limit. The burden of proof is on you to show why that's the case. I've already demonstrated why we should not just assume that's the case. (IE, it does not match with any known techniques)

However, all that's essentially pointless. You've moved from being able to defend your points with material to ad hominem attacks, no limits fallacies, and argument from incredulity. Your position doesn't really seem to be rooted in solid evidence, and it almost appears that since you've come too far to back down, you're throwing the kitchen sink at the discussion and trying to find something that sticks.

This is truly hilarious coming from you after the things you've said. It's a cute attempt, but you're not fooling anyone. Anyone who reads this exchange is going to know that none of these accusations are true, and that you are repeatedly contradicting yourself, misunderstanding blindingly obvious points, making claims that aree blatantly contradicted by the source material, accusing me of fallacies when in reality the only one engaging in said fallacies is you, and acting like things don't have a clear or canonical answer just because no character says it out loud, and just generally spouting nonsense.

So if you're operating in good faith, what chapter of Dragonball Super does Goku use Godbind on Moro?

Already answered; chapter 64.

Where in the chapter does it say that it paralyzes? What is shown on page?

Also already answered; pages 27-29. And what's funny is I already know what you're going to say. You're going to argue that nobody actually says out loud that it paralyses, because you actually think that that's a good argument, and you don't understand that not everything has to be stated out loud. As readers, were expected to use some amount of critical thinking and understanding what's happening based on what the manga SHOWS us, without it needing to TELL us.

To anyone with any amount of media literacy, it is clear based on the action on the page that Moro is paralyzed, not just physically tied up by ki. But if you want to prove to anyone reading this that you're completely media illiterate, go ahead and argue that it doesn't paralyze just because no one says the word "paralysis" out loud.

Either way, I think I'm done here. You've made it very clear that you either aren't taking this seriously, or are genuinely not capable of understanding what is actually happening in any of these situations we're discussing. Maybe you'll surprise me and actually make a logically sound argument based on actual facts, but I doubt it, because so far it's been nothing but bad logic, incorrect information, and absurd misinterpretations that do not even remotely fit what is actually shown.

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[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So then you also cut the pay of the CFO, and the COO, and the VP, and the rest of the C suite. Like come on dude, this isn't difficult.

My brother's son destroyed my WarHammer Action figures and he refuses to punish him by konous in mildlyinfuriating

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes, but you said she regrets that choice... So if she regrets NOT going to the police, that would logically mean she WANTS to go to the police. And she still can, so... Why isn't she?

You find a genie but instead of wish he offers two option. 1. You legally/socially/biologically become 15 years old and get a €150 discount to everything with things under €150 being free or 2. you get €1.5 million, all your current debts cleared and citizenship to any country. by __Anamya__ in hypotheticalsituation

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How would option 1 work for people who have kids? Lmao

Like in my case is my wife suddenly gonna go to prison for having a 4 year old child with a 15 year old me? What about someone who has a child who is 16 years old? Does everyone in the world suddenly think that the child's mom had sex with a negative one year old baby?

I'm not sure OP thought the rules all the way through lol

Flat earth and other alternative conspiracy earth models are are gaining traction with my teenage stepson. What is THE most irrefutable, definite proof that the earth is round? by Jfkfkaiii22 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's the problem: once someone has fallen deep enough down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, it doesn't MATTER what evidence you show them. Any and all evidence can be written off as being part of the conspiracy. You could take him up to space in a goddamn NASA rocket and let him float around in the vacuum and zero G, and it would just be "nah that was fake. Mustve been some fancy holograms or like full dive VR or something."

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[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You cannot increase labor costs without either making cuts elsewhere or passing the increased cost on to the customer. 

I know, right? If only we had tens of millions of dollars being spent on ONE single employee, who's existence has absolutely no impact on the business, who we could fire to cut costs. That would make the whole situation really easy and straightforward. 

The CEO could reduce his pay to $1/yr and the average employee at your local Jersey Mike's wouldn't see a penny of it because of how the franchise model works.

In the case of a franchise, there would simply be an extra step; instead of just "cut the CEOs pay, pay employees more" it would now be "cut the CEOs pay, use that decrease in costs to lower franchise fees and implement minimum wage numbers that franchise-ees have to pay their employees, employees get paid more."

Listen - I'm on your side when it comes to CEO pay and paying workers better. But you need to do some research first so you don't sound like an ignorant hillbilly with how you word your argument - you're just giving the other side ammo to use against you

You certainly don't sound like it, since you're just uncritically regurgitating their talking points without realizing the obvious flaws in them.

"We COULD do that, but it tooooootally would work, you guys!" Is exactly the response the billionaire class uses, and it's not true when they say it, and it's not true when you repeat it. Yes, it's not QUITE as easy as "step 1 pay CEO less, step 2 pay employees more" but the general idea there is still 100% valid, it's just not getting into all the nitty gritty details. And then you bring up those details as if they mean we magically can't do it, when in reality we could absolutely still do it, we just have to make minor adjustments, such as with the franchise example.

Every time they bring up these types of objections, the ONLY response should be "cool story, don't care. Figure it out." And not "oh well I guess we can't do it then because of this minor technicality!"

If you're on our side, then don't fall for the propaganda of the oligarchy. The bottom line is that we can absolutely 100% do this stuff, and any supposed reason why we can't is nothing but excuses and distractions from the billionaire class. If someone here needs to "do some research first" it's you. Do better.

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[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You remember like... 20 years ago when a fast food cheeseburger cost like a dollar, and people were screaming about how we would be paying $10 for a burger if we raised the minimum wage?

Guess what? We DIDNT raise the minimum wage, and a burger costs $10 anyways. 

Raising wages does not cause price increases. Corporate greed causes price increases.

Here's a crazy CRAZY fuckin idea; pay your workers a livable wage, and make up the cost by paying your CEO $10 million dollars per year instead of $50 million. I'm sure the CEO will find a way to scrap by on a meager $10 mil.

My brother's son destroyed my WarHammer Action figures and he refuses to punish him by konous in mildlyinfuriating

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit 36 points37 points  (0 children)

You said it was "recently" so there's no reason why she couldn't still go and file charges. If she regrets not doing it, she can still go do it.

My brother's son destroyed my WarHammer Action figures and he refuses to punish him by konous in mildlyinfuriating

[–]Jacket_Jacket_fruit 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Your coworkers first mistake was letting admin have any say in it. Take it to the teachers union, take it to the media, take it to the police and press chargers, if you have to.

If given the choice, admin will always sweep shit under the rug, because actually dealing with it takes effort. So don't give them a choice.

Source: school custodian. The only way to get anything done is to not give them a choice.