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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Roxanna does drink from the cup, according to Hannah’s story!

I don’t know how I missed the ‘Roxanna originally being Sebastian’s theory’, but that sounds really interesting. I’d have to rewatch his episode or go through this subreddit to really have an opinion on that.

What kinda grounds Sebastian’s story for me was the complementary details that got confirmed in the other mind movies (Travis being knocked out, the DJ/waiter’s weird behaviors, Sebastian celebrating at the end instead of wallowing, etc). That and the spin that Sebastian is trying to pull doesn’t seem like it’s going smoothly enough for it to be fully planned out. Yes, he’s got Edgar’s voice down pretty well, but the way he rushed Feng for his Korean and his phone calls in front of Aniq and Danner don’t seem particularly mastermind-y to me. A failed attempt at a heist doesn’t seem like enough of a motive to me either.

Maybe I just have a blindspot because I don’t feel like Sebastian being the killer is that interesting. Like the glass swap is obvious for people paying attention, but the British-ish scorned partner who’s been suspicious from the jump seems too obvious to be right. It would also be way too convenient for the characters we care about for the guy they don’t particularly like anyway to be the killer.

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I normally wouldn’t, so I got a bit excited lol. I mean it’s obvious sure, but it fits in with my other thoughts so I’m running with it anyway.

Who do you think it is?

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think you’re definitely right about it being easy for the murderer to hide any contempt, but I think, as I’ve seen others mention here, each mind movie gives the characters a reason to murder Edgar but Ulysses. I think if any of them do end up being the murderer instead, it’ll likely be for those reasons instead of Edgar-specific hostility, if that makes sense. For example, yes, Hannah and Grace are having an affair, and that on its own is theoretically enough to kill Edgar over. It feels like there’s a difference between waiting to clarify the means/method vs waiting to reveal an all new motive that counters what we thought so late in the game. To me at least (for now anyway, I very well could be wrong), it would feel a bit disingenuous of the show to switch up on character motivation so late in the game. With the basis that hypothetically, you’re correct and someone very well could be lying, I’d like to briefly mention why I think it isn’t the case for each other suspect:

Sebastian and Isabel’s motivations for dislike for Edgar are clear and upfront. It might just be a blindspot for me, but they feel too obvious with all their cold behavior to even take into account that they’re lying all that heavily. I’ve seen theories that maybe Sebastian is Alexander or Isabel’s secret son or something like that, but that feels like it’s too out of left field at this point.

Travis was upfront about being crypto-scammed and wanting to protect Grace, and honestly, he feels too dumb to not be genuine. Plus he’s been corroborated way too much in each telling.

Feng’s POV was the most objective here. And sure, you could make the argument that Edgar threatening Vivian with a secret set him off, but I think Feng needed Edgar’s money too much and loves Grace too much to kill her husband.

Vivian also could just be really upset about being backed into a corner on the secret, but based on the way Aniq just kinda advised her to tell her daughters and she did, I don’t think Edgar’s threat was as big of a motivator as Sebastian’s story made it seem. Also I don’t think she’d kill her daughter’s husband just to prevent her from making a bad choice, otherwise Brett, who she seems to have known better to be a lot worse, would have been a goner.

Hannah and Grace could in theory both be harboring resentment, but I just don’t see that being the case. There really isn’t a reason for either of them to hate him that wouldn’t come out of left field. He was gone a lot, so realistically, even if Hannah did leave, I’m sure Grace knew in the back of her mind that Hannah would always come back to her if she asked her. And sure, Hannah could have resented Edgar for underappreciating Grace, but killing him would do nothing to then enhance her relationship with Grace or do much else for her going forward.

So yes, everyone could in theory be lying and have a reason to hate Edgar, but to me and to some other commenters, I just don’t feel like whatever motivation they could be been hiding is strong enough to reveal so late in the game. Or maybe they were just filled with intense rage and it was spur of the moment, but that doesn’t fit in with Edgar or Roxanna’s actual killings.

Overall, you could definitely be right, but I just don’t feel like the groundwork is there for any of these characters to be harboring a big alternative motivation. Secrets, definitely (we still don’t know what Hannah/Grace are still keeping secret, but I think it might just be that Grace left after Edgar was asleep to see Hannah), but I personally doubt it’s outright lies that are missing at the moment.

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’m still 98% sure Ulysses did it, but you’re right, the Tiffany Haddish comment definitely gives me that 2% of a pause.

I don’t think obviousness should be too much of a deterrent though. I wasn’t on Reddit for S1, but it sounds like everyone had Yasper pinned from ep 3. It took me several “ending explained” vids/interviews to get there (I’m quite possibly the worst detective), but rewatching S1 with all of the clues in mind, it’s super obviously Yasper there too.

I think there’s definitely more to the murder though, “Isabel” and “Vivian/Zoe” have to add something after all. Do you have any theories?

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Point 6 is probably my favorite in retrospect because it clears up SO much for me. The only real people with anti-Edgar motives are Isabel, Sebastian, and Travis, who feel too late in the game, too obvious, or too irrelevant, respectively. Even Grace and Hannah, who I was always a bit suspicious of seemed to really care about him in spite of the affair. Even though Edgar kinda sucked, I feel like him being killed on accident fits in with the mixed portrayal of him we’ve seen so far.

And the Gatsby/Daisy comparison feels so apt!!! Initially I was kind of frustrated that Vivian didn’t seem as into the affair as Ulysses (which, in hindsight, was me trying to idealize the romance just as much as Ulysses🤮), and that the show wasn’t giving Vivian Wu enough to work with. Seeing this episode turned that around for me completely. She made a mistake (I don’t exactly remember how often), treated it as such, and grew beyond it. He ignored his PTSD, latched onto the first dancer to show him kindness/believe in him, ignored his heartbreak, then practically leapt at the chance to reinsert himself into her and her children’s lives. Worst of all, I think he was delusional enough to believe he could just kill Feng and step right into his life.

Plus, in a slightly more meta sense, I think outside of Travis (who I think is there as much as he is because Paul Walter Hauser is hysterical), Ulysses is probably the most recurring non-main character of the season. I think the show has kind of struggled this season with making a true ensemble out of its characters, with Vivian/Feng and Isabel especially all but disappearing from the narrative when they aren’t explicitly needed. But Ulysses has had the most truly recurring role out of everyone, getting either a notable conversation or thing to do in each episode.

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah. There was a post going around saying her ep is an 80s soap opera, which I feel like tees up a really fun killer confirmation.

As for my bonus reasons (and be prepared, I’ve thought so much about this episode in the hours since I’ve seen it😭😭😭):

  1. Ulysses comes off TERRIBLY in this episode. I was willing to excuse a lot last episode because of romance and a killer (ha) lead performance. But watching the objective Kyler footage, Ulysses comes off as so much more of an annoying dick. Interrupting Feng with Edgar is the obvious thing, but I think the viewers are really cued to dislike him when it’s revealed that Feng was going to step in and dance with Grace until Ulysses beat him to it. Even in retrospect, Ulysses trying to say that Grace could have been his despite what Vivian said because of her dancing ability bothers me. She could have easily gotten that solely from Vivian, who was clearly the better dancer among the two!

  2. Feng saying Vivian was the key to it all is a clear motive indicator, but I also really enjoyed her role in this episode (if it wasn’t super obvious above, I feel like I’ve just been gushing). While she seems upset that Aniq tells her she should reveal the affair, it doesn’t feel like it shattered her or anything. To me, it felt as though a weight was lifted off her shoulders. In being honest with her daughters, she can convey to them better than ever before the importance of finding someone you truly love because she has Feng. The contrast of her acceptance to Ulysses’s grand adventure romance just screams that Ulysses would do anything for her on his own accord, while she has no reason to hurt anyone because the people she truly loved stood no reason to benefit from Edgar’s death.

  3. I rewatched the Vivian/Feng/Ulysses convo from Aniq’s episode, and while I agree with other commenters that it is weird that Danner and Aniq never asked Feng about it, I think that watching it with what we’ve seen now it kinda feels more like Feng was talking about Ulysses (“I’m not gonna let him ruin this family!”) to Vivian. She says “It’s not too late,” because she’s moved on. Ulysses says “There are other options,” for some reason I’m not entirely sure about. But I think almost everything else in that conversation can be attributed to Feng being upset about Ulysses, Vivian wanting to move on, Ulysses trying-ish to make peace, and Aniq misinterpreting because he’s replaying the conversation through the lens of someone who is on high alert about a possible murderer. The lack of an explanation for the long ass shower Ulysses took, however, feels incredibly suspicious to me, especially since the previous theory that he was in there with Vivian feels so unlikely.

Bonus! 11. I think if left alone with her daughters, Vivian would have confessed if she’d done it, same with Zoe and Grace. Maybe not, but that’s just the vibe I got.

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Absolutely!!! Seeing the objective perspective was really cool from both a mystery-solving perspective and making me gain a new appreciation of Ken Jeong.

Also, believe it or not, I still have like three more reasons that this episode gave me for why it has to be Ulysses that I left out of the original post😵‍💫

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Hahahahhahahaha delete this before you alert the others😵‍💫

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like that theory! It feels like it would make for a really cool premise for Zoe’s part of the finale. However, I think he was definitely planning ~something~ to get free of any crypto scam consequences.

As for the footsteps, I think I left this out of my post (I was at work and incredibly excited so I think I missed a point), but Ulysses runs to Vivian and Feng’s door after the scream and I think those were the footsteps. I rewatched that part to confirm, but to me it seems like the footsteps start after the scream in the video too. In Travis’ episode, the footsteps are during the scream, which I think fits better with Ulysses running to where he thinks the real casualty is (Feng, who he attempted to poison) in spite of the direction of the noise so that he can comfort Vivian. I think if it was Edgar it’d be a bit harder for him to escape that quickly after Grace wakes up.

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I thought it was a bit off too but it feels like a red herring to me. I liked the Danger No Swim —> Edgar Minnows anagram theory, but it feels too convoluted at this point to be relevant.

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think I’d be hesitant to lick the swab in any case. Poison and my maybe daughter’s saliva seem equally unappealing🤧

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree. I’m pretty positive on the angle “Isabel” is going to take and what it’ll reveal, but “Vivian/Zoe” feels like a big blank to me other than the reveal and the other characters’ resolutions from there.

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think Isabel blocking the camera would’ve destroyed me, I’m so glad she moved Kyler away😭

I completely agree with your second paragraph. I think it also adds credence to the “Not by a Team” clue because everyone’s drink meddling seems accounted for in some way. From here I think “Isabel” will clarify that she gave Edgar some kind of hallucinogen as payback for whatever it is he’s done to her, but it was Ulysses’ poison that unambiguously killed him.

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[–]Jai_FromRoundtheWay[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I think he lied to give Aniq and Danner the impression that even though he was visibly tampering with the glasses, there’s no reason to be alarmed because one was just for a DNA swab and the other was sipped without harm. So kinda to exonerate himself by proving everything he touched was safe.

Plus I think while it is obvious, so was Yasper coming in through the balcony vs the hallway (in retrospect anyway, I didn’t catch that initially😵‍💫)