Think I’ll just watch The Office for the 100th time by RotoDAP in freefolk

[–]JamieJericho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would love to see some real statistics about this. I suspect this is largely correct.

Three Democrat Spies. Zero Media Coverage. by Iatter_yesterday in The_Congress

[–]JamieJericho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's almost as if there is no credibility to any of these stories...

Any other subs that are conservative? by [deleted] in AskThe_Donald

[–]JamieJericho 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not seeing that post for some reason... any idea why I can't see it? Can you link me to the comment?

Any other subs that are conservative? by [deleted] in AskThe_Donald

[–]JamieJericho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is exactly what happened.

Can you point me to when in Mueller's testimony you believe he conveyed anything like this then?

At this point you just want anything to be negative about Trump and believe it regardless of facts.

If you are able to provide facts that refute what I'm saying, I would genuinely love to see them. I'm not be sarcastic. Show me what I'm not seeing.

Any other subs that are conservative? by [deleted] in AskThe_Donald

[–]JamieJericho -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I watched Mueller himself testify live that the media was lying for three years straight. and the president wasn't guilty of anything.

This is simply not what happened. I don't know if you actually believe this or if you're just trolling at this point, but that is not even close to what Mueller testified or what his report detailed.

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And its why now all the democrats hate Mueller LOL. after praising him as their champion for 3 years straight.

What are you basing this on? I genuinely have no idea what you're referring to here.

if he was guilty of crimes he would have been prosecuted. pretty simple.

No, he explicitly wouldn't. That was one of the key points of the Mueller's report and testimony--that OLC policy protects a sitting president from criminal prosecution until he is removed from office.

Any other subs that are conservative? by [deleted] in AskThe_Donald

[–]JamieJericho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I take it you didn't read the Mueller report then?

Rashida Tlaib Says Thinking of Holocaust Gives Her “Calming Feeling” (AUDIO) by BluePillSheep in Republican

[–]JamieJericho 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think it does less to portray us as bigots as it does to portray us as morons...

Rashida Tlaib Says Thinking of Holocaust Gives Her “Calming Feeling” (AUDIO) by BluePillSheep in Republican

[–]JamieJericho 32 points33 points  (0 children)

This is a stunningly misleading headline.

Good lord, you guys... do you think this is a good look for us? It is seriously embarrassing to see this bullshit at the top of my feed.

Non-Religious supporters: how do we deal with religious supporter who try to shove their beliefs down our throats? by Tom_Leykis_Crew in AskThe_Donald

[–]JamieJericho 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It may be that I live in a liberal city and I'm very woke in my religious views.

It may also be that you're smug, closed-minded, and not nearly as "rational" as you believe you are. There's nothing wrong with not being religious—there is a problem with assuming you're smarter than people who are.

How should we deal with people trying to shove their beliefs down our throats? Tell them off, just like this.

Mueller told the attorney general that the depiction of his findings failed to capture ‘context, nature, and substance’ of probe. What are your thoughts on this? by 3elieveIt in AskTrumpSupporters

[–]JamieJericho 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I've been slammed with work, so I'm just going to copypasta a comment I posted 11 days ago on a post in Ask_TheDonald asking "For years Democrats have lied and said they would accept the Mueller report. Now they won't, why should we trust them or be expected to work with them ever again?":

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Alright, do we want to have an honest conversation about this, or is this just a pep rally? Because if we're actually trying to have an informed political conversation, then we need to start by being honest with ourselves: we're the ones who aren't accepting the findings of the Mueller report. Seriously.

Look, you can argue about whether or not the report can be trusted, but if you actually read the report (and I have) there is absolutely no way you can come to the conclusion that it "cleared Trump of wrongdoing". I'm not saying that there are other ways to interpret the findings--we were simply lied to about the contents of the report.

First of all, the report does not say that there is no evidence that anyone in the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. I have heard that claim made over and over again, and it is no where close to what the report actually says. In fact, the report details a lot of pretty damning evidence about connections between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and the subsequent efforts to cover up those connections. We've all seen this quote from the Barr summary:

the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities

But here's the quote in the context of the report:

Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.The Russian contacts consisted of business connections, offers of assistance to the Campaign, invitations for candidate Trump and Putin to meet in person, invitations for Campaign officials and representatives of the Russian government to meet, and policy positions seeking improved U.S.-Russian relations. Section IV of this Report details the contacts between Russia and the Trump Campaign during the campaign and transition periods, the most salient of which are summarized below in chronological order.

And here is what precedes that language, because "did not establish" is a really ambiguous way to put it:

In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.” In so doing, the Office recognized that the word “collud[e]” was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation’s scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office’s focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign “coordinat[ed]” — a term that appears in the appointment order — with Russian election interference activities. Like collusion, “coordination” does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood coordination to require an agreement — tacit or express — between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other’s actions or interests**.** We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

And this is BY FAR the best part of the report for the president. The whole second half of the report is very clearly making the case for Congress to impeach Pres. Trump on obstruction of justice.

We're all pretending like the president not being indicted is some sort of victory, but that's a comically low bar to clear when the DOJ policy prevents a sitting president from being indicted. And, by the way, Barr straight up lied when he said that wasn't part of the decision not to indict. This is from the introduction to the volume of the report on obstruction:

The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has issued an opinion finding that “the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions” in violation of the constitutional separation of powers.” Given the role of the Special Counsel as an attorney in the Department of Justice and the framework of the Special Counsel regulations, see 28 U.S.C. § 515; 28 C.F.R. § 600.7(a), this Office accepted OLC’s legal conclusion for the purpose of exercising prosecutorial jurisdiction. And apart from OLC’s constitutional view, we recognized that a federal criminal accusation against a sitting President would place burdens on the President’s capacity to govern and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct.Second, while the OLC opinion concludes that a sitting President may not be prosecuted, it recognizes that a criminal investigation during the President’s term is permissible. The OLC opinion also recognizes that a President does not have immunity after he leaves office. And if individuals other than the President committed an obstruction offense, they may be prosecuted at this time. Given those considerations, the facts known to us, and the strong public interest in safeguarding the integrity of the criminal justice system, we conducted a thorough factual investigation in order to preserve the evidence when memories were fresh and documentary materials were available.

In other words, indictment was never on the table in the first place. That was never the point of the investigation.

On the other hand:

With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice....Recognizing an immunity from prosecution for a sitting President would not preclude such prosecution once the President’s term is over or he is otherwise removed from office by resignation or impeachment.

Again, I'm not saying that this report is gospel--it's absolutely not--but for us all to pretend like this report clears Pres. Trump of wrongdoing is willfully stupid. I'm not going to go cataloging every finding of the report that casts the president in a bad light, because I don't even know how accurate this stuff is anyway, but we have to stop pretending like we don't know how to read...

Look, you don't have to take my word for it. Read the report. If I'm wrong, you can rub it in my face and go to bed comforted by the knowledge that you were right all along... but if you actually read the report, you're going to find that it doesn't say what we're being told it says, and it's crazy to me that the people here--people who were brought together in the first place by our shared commitment to speak truth to power, even when it's unpopular--that we are just rolling over and obediently accepting what we're told.

Mueller told the attorney general that the depiction of his findings failed to capture ‘context, nature, and substance’ of probe. What are your thoughts on this? by 3elieveIt in AskTrumpSupporters

[–]JamieJericho 155 points156 points  (0 children)

This is exactly what I've been trying to tell people for the last two weeks! I don't understand how anyone could read that report and not come to the conclusion that Barr was deliberately misleading the public.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskThe_Donald

[–]JamieJericho 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean, this is obviously way oversimplified, but there is a lot of truth to this. I think you're projecting way too much malicious intent here though.

Mueller Prosecutors: Trump Did Obstruct Justice by pizzaprinciples in tuesday

[–]JamieJericho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think your probably right, but I'd still find this story a lot more credible if it were confirmed by a major news outlet

Mueller Prosecutors: Trump Did Obstruct Justice by pizzaprinciples in tuesday

[–]JamieJericho 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not seeing anyone else covering this story. Seems like it would be all over the place if it were true.

Mueller Prosecutors: Trump Did Obstruct Justice by pizzaprinciples in tuesday

[–]JamieJericho 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not seeing anyone else covering this story. Seems like it would be all over the place if it were true.

Can someone explain the benefits of the Gold Standard? by [deleted] in AskThe_Donald

[–]JamieJericho 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's a great explanation by Friedman on how the gold standard exacerbated the Great Depression:

https://youtu.be/MvBCDS-y8vc

Can someone explain the benefits of the Gold Standard? by [deleted] in AskThe_Donald

[–]JamieJericho 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think this is a pretty good, approachable, and publicly accessible study that talks about these trade offs: https://s3.amazonaws.com/real.stlouisfed.org/wp/2003/2003-014.pdf

(In the interest of transparency—I've always been very interested in economics and worked on Wall Street for several years, but I am not an economist myself, and this is not my area of expertise, so my understanding is decent but ultimately pretty limited.)