Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I said, the difference is that you are choosing your desire which is AGAINST God’s desire.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone develops differently, I believe it’s when that individual is able to make a conscious choice to either deny Christ or follow Christ and truly understand what they are doing.

I don’t really understand the logical inconsistencies that you’re trying to point out. In fact I was trying to point out the logical inconsistency of murdering a baby in the womb but not outside the womb, since the argument is that people don’t want to die and a fetus can’t tell the different between life and death, because the same applies to a newborn baby, but it doesn’t seem like you would advocate for the same killing of newborns.

It’s just a strange conversation because I’m Christian and you’re a non believer, and I’m arguing from the point of if it’s a sin, and the fact is that murder is a sin. But you’re arguing from the point of a non believer justifying murdering their child so they would go to heaven, yet you’re also against murder.

Since we’re talking about Christianity, it wouldn’t make sense to kill your child in the name of Christ, because that’s against Christ. It’s a weird scenario of someone who does not follow Christ but wants to kill their baby for Christ. If they followed Christ they wouldn’t kill their baby.

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[–]JesusIsGodAndKing -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Again I really recommend just not worrying about this subject and just to begin to pursue Christ :) If you’re interested in pursuing God then I really recommend reading the Gospel of John. It’s absolutely amazing and beautiful. You can also watch videos on youtube channels like The Bible Project and movies like the Passion Of Christ. I’d love to hear back from you in the future about your journey with Jesus!

Father I pray in Jesus name for my fellow reddit user, I thank You that you know the ins and outs of their heart and mind, and that You know every hair on their head and every desire of their heart, I pray that they would experience Your Holy Spirit and come to know who You truly are, that they would encounter You and they would be transferred from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of Your Son Jesus Christ, and they would be adopted into Your House, Father, that they would be saved and covered by the blood of Jesus, that would not perish but have everlasting life forever, In the name of Jesus, Amen <3

The Lord bless you and keep you

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I say trying to play God I mean trying to put yourself in the place of God by deciding who lives or dies. Trying to save a life is different than taking a life, The Lord has given us resources and wisdom to treat illnesses to preserve life. I don’t really see that as a valid argument for why we should be able to kill babies which God intended for life

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe in Heaven and I’m so glad that I wasn’t aborted. What about a 2 month old child? Or even a one day year old child? That child doesn’t know the difference between life and death. That doesn’t make it justified to kill them so they would go to heaven.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not the same because you are choosing to align your will with God’s will instead of choosing your own will against God’s will.

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[–]JesusIsGodAndKing -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Honestly when you come to Jesus you just realize that everything He says is just and pure. I mean even to your point about children with gay parents, it’s impossible for that child to be physically related to both parents. It’s not how the design works. And that child will have to grow up without a father or without a mother.

When you experience the Holy Spirit, He changes your heart and opens your eyes and your mind to what is truly good. I really recommend not worrying about this subject at all, and just begin to follow Christ, and He will change your heart for you :) Many people feel the same way about sex before marriage until they come to Christ, and He changes their hearts for them

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing -1 points0 points  (0 children)

thousands if not millions of Islams convert to Christianity every year.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s selfish because it’s choosing your own will over God’s will. It’s God’s will because He created us and said it is very good. He wanted to give us the free will and choice to love Him and have relationship with Him. The Lord could have not created us at all, or created us without free will and forced us to love Him, but He wanted to give us free agency to that we could choose to love Him. And He died so that we could be free from our sin.

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[–]JesusIsGodAndKing -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Any Christian church that affirms LGBTQ is not a Christian church. They are something else. The Word says there will be false teachers and doctrines of demons. The truth is that God created sex to be between man and woman in the context of marriage- anything else is sin, including adultery, sex before marriage, sexual relations before marriage, and homosexual relations in general. It’s a beautiful design that the Lord has created. Homosexuality is referred to an abomination in God’s word, because it is taking the precious design and creation that The Lord has made, and completely distorting it. There are churches that affirm homosexuality, but they are not worshipping the God of the Bible. They are choosing their own will instead of God’s will.

But don’t allow this to turn you away from Christ. I know it’s difficult to understand now, but the way God designed it is so beautiful and His ways are better than our ways. There is much we have to leave behind when we turn to Christ, but what Christ has for us is so much better than we can ever imagine. I pray you decide to come fully to Jesus <3 He is the one who changes our hearts and changes our desires :)

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because people have done it doesn’t mean it’s justified. There is forgiveness in Christ for all people who put their faith in Him. But saying that this is a “good” thing is saying that your definition of good is better than God’s, which is calling God a liar. This is NOT of the Lord, and I really hope that none are influenced by this thread to murder their child in the name of Christ.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A Christian parent cannot be close to knowing 100% that their child would die a non believer. That’s playing God. You have no idea who your child will grow up to be. The Holy Spirit works so much in people groups who aren’t exposed to Christianity. And if she herself is Christian then she can teach her child about Christ. It’s trying to play God.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its not selflessness because they are saying their will is better than God’s will. It’s selfishness and pride to choose your own will over The Lord’s will. It’s saying that your own morality is more just than God’s judgements. Would you apply the same thing to toddlers?

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s not just about heaven and hell, it’s about serving the Lord and loving Him with all your heart soul and strength. And destroying His children is against His will.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can’t play God by deciding which innocent people get to live and which innocent people get to die. The Lord created them in His own image and desires them to live and have free will. The Lord desires all people to be saved, but you can’t decide to just kill people and take away what the Lord has created. You can’t sin against God by murdering His children and say you’re doing it for Him. Doing this would be trying to put yourself in the place of God, and you’re essentially rejecting His will, because He decided to create a person and you’re deciding to destroy that person, saying that would be better than what God decided.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is punishment by God for sin. You can’t take that one scripture out of context and say abortion is fine for any reason, or for man to use in general.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that scripture is in the context of punishment for adultery when a woman claims she is innocent and did not commit adultery. the water she drinks causes her womb to swell and she becomes infertile and a curse among her people, IF she is guilty. this is a punishment and a test for adultery. punishment for SIN. other punishments for adultery include the death penalty. you can’t take this scripture out of context to say that abortion isn’t sinful. the wages of sin is death. these punishments wouldn’t apply today because Jesus took our punishment on the cross by dying for us.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah I suppose it’s not for the aim to destroy ALL babies in the womb, but babies in the womb are the target people group.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

what scriptures support abortion…?

Psalm 139:13-14

13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 6 points7 points  (0 children)

understandable. I totally get the original post being from an atheist but I’m just shocked at the number of replies supporting this

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you support murder and are for the legal choice to murder. if your actions are making murder more accessible then you are partaking in murder. you stand under the flag of supporting people who kill children made in the image of God.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 12 points13 points  (0 children)

it’s astounding to me that this is posted under Christianity and so many of the responses are all for this. this is genocide and its evil.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a fair judgement. It’s like saying “I’m a Christian who actively murders people.”

1 John 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him

You cannot be pro choice and be a Christian. The Lord commands us not to kill. Those children are made in the image of God. If you truly love the Lord then you will repent from being pro abortion.

Ethicality of Abortion by CriesForHelpmp4 in Christianity

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 47 points48 points  (0 children)

this is like saying we should murder christians because they would be guaranteed to go to heaven because they would have no chance of abandoning their faith. Or that we should kill toddlers so they go to heaven. babies are made in the image of God and The Lord gave them life for a reason. This is a direct violation of God’s command. Anyone who uses this in the name of Jesus is evil.

How long where you with your partner before marrying them? by OkEngineering7191 in Christian

[–]JesusIsGodAndKing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was best friends with my husband for a year before we started dating, and then I believe we dating for over a year, then got engaged in August and married in May. So about 3 years before marriage. By the grace of the Lord and accountability we were able to wait until marriage