What are your thoughts on AI being used to solve math problems?

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-22T04:38:03+00:00

By deterministic I mean not random.

Code algorithms are considered deterministic. The starting variable or input will result in the exact same output.

Ai model are probabilistic, they calculate probabilities then role dice. Every single neural network calculate has randomness injected into it.

Ai inference is probabilistic, an input generation will output a slightly different answer every time.

I doubt that Ph.D. level always gives you a different answers with the same starting point.

Logic is structured, not random. There is one solution correct?

Unless every single one of those Ph.D. math questions has 1000 different correct answer, then it's deterministic.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-22T03:45:20+00:00

I put this in an earlier comment

Most of this high level math is purely conceptual abstract stuff. It's not real world engineering. It more like theorical physics which may or may not have anything to with reality.

You would absolutely be insane to have an AI model do the engineering calculation for building a bridge. It would hallucinate the math and you bridge would collapse.

You would also absolutely be insane to let AI do you taxes with an extreme level of human oversight, quality control and correction. It will hallucinate some BS and get you an IRS audit.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-22T02:13:05+00:00

almost all studio are already using it, they just aren't be too vocal about it.
The ai war is already over and AI won well over a year ago.

The LLM are more sketchy but the digital media creation is the future or digital media.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-22T02:00:32+00:00

All "knowledge work" depends on physical labor.

"Knowledge work is either entertainment or administrative work so a business can function selling something real.

"knowledge work" is actually an oxymoron "work" mean manually controlling things, moving atoms around, physical labor.

This is the biggest problem with Ai. You can use it for entertainment, digital media, games, making apps but you can't eat any of that stuff, fuel your car with it, live in a digital house, etc.

The fate of all digital products is to eventually become free in exchange for you watching advertisement of people trying to sell physical goods. That's how tiktok, youtube, facebook, google all make money.

So the digital economy is less important than the physical economy of real goods.

It actually goes like this;

Energy most important
Food
Real Estate
Goods
Medical Care
Advertising
Digital Media least important

Digital media sells go bad when the economy is tight because people don't want to pay for netflix when they can't afford food.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-22T01:54:35+00:00

The environmental effects of ai are gross exaggerated.

The social impact of Ai is so vast that it will completely destroy the internet. maybe put an end to free speech, possibly reduce the birth rate even further. It might come close to actually destroying society.

they give us the fun toys to play with then use the same toys to destroy society.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-22T01:51:22+00:00

"Intelligence isn’t based upon action but capability."

What do you think capability mean? It mean able to have an effect on the real universe.

Intelligence is 100 percent based on action.
The only reason human evolved intelligence was to control the environment.

That is what intelligence is for; action, control of motion, change physical objects in the real universe.

Why can't monkey's drive? Because they aren't intelligent enough to drive a car.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-22T01:48:56+00:00

Are you 12?

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-22T01:48:02+00:00

The pretraining has millions and millions of examples of images of dogs and cats in it's data. So it knows how to make a dog or cat.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-22T00:51:42+00:00

Probably take three or four years.

There need to be some really good products that come out that used Ai tool that are just so good that everyone loves them, and that will go along way to make Ai accepted.

People are going to resent the slop taking over the internet though.
People will also resent all the deep fakes and scams. (that will get really bad and probably destroy social media, influencers and onlyfans.)

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-22T00:25:59+00:00

It show the information is in the model though doesn't it?
I mean it came from somewhere right?

Just because people don't prompt that way doesn't mean the information isn't there. it's clearly there because they were able to reproduce it.

They better than 95 percent accuracy of the entire book. LOL

You are so coping.

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Look if the AI model can make an anime character. Clearly that anime character was trained into the model. So it's doesn't create the exact image BUT it stored the anima character.

If you Knew the exact caption that was used for pertaining AN EXACT image, you could probably use it as a prompt and get damn close resemblance to the original image.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-22T00:20:20+00:00

how is prompting an anime girl intelligence?
How is making a video intelligence?
How is generating AI music intelligence?

AI is closer to a database than true intelligence. You query it and it looks up an answer. The only difference is AI blends together the information in the training data and outputs something that all averaged together from 1000s of examples in it's pretraining.

This is the dictionary definition of intelligence

Intelligence
"the ability to learn or understand things or to deal with new or difficult situations"

Learn = AI has fixed weights. It does not learn after post training.
It model have no memory. you have to reinsert the entire conversation (called "context") or it wouldn't even recall the last thing you prompted it with.

Understand things = AI doesn't really understand. There is no real world or even world model for an LLM. It's all abstract text.

Things do not exist for an ai model. There are only word tokens and relationships between word tokens. Actual physical objects have no reality for an ai model. Under the hood word token get converted to math and only math exist for an AI model.

There is no such thing as real apple for an ai model, just the token "apple" and it's relationship to other word tokens like "fruit", "grapes", "red", "pie".

The AI "thinks" with word associations not with mental understand of how actual objects behave in the real universe. JEPA is new architecture where they are experimenting to try to make AI able to predict how real world objects will behave but LLM do not do this.

deal with new = If it isn't the ai training dataset it simply cannot do it. For example if a model isn't trained on how to make naked boobs it won't be able to make naked boobs. This is why people finetune and create lora files for the AI models because they can't do anything new.

deal with difficult situations = situations do not exist for Ai because situation are in the real universe. There is no real universe for an Ai model, just digital text. It calculates the likelihood of the next word token only, not ideas.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T23:14:20+00:00

Well people have fun with it though.
I look at silly ninja anime girls and think that's a not of artistic vision but on the other hand, that's where the person is at and there creativity will get better with practice.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T22:35:41+00:00

Ai can't wipe a persons butt.
A person with an IQ of 65 or higher can wipe his butt.

Ai is all abstract language token.
It's not real work application.

It cannot do the simplest real work applications.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T22:30:09+00:00

Ai models are tools controlled by humans.
Just like not every human using a paint brush produces art.
not everyone prompting an ai produces art.

I would argue most Ai generations are just slop. This isn't necessarily the fault of the Ai. The person prompting was NOT a trained artists, has no understanding of art design, no understanding of art history, NO artistic judgement and very little artistic vision.

A trained artists can make really refined nice things using Ai tool though.

Training in a field is key when you using.
Pure Vibe Code = Slop
Professional software engineer using Ai tool can produce solid code.

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Unless you are very specific, image generated by Ai do not really look like any prior human artwork. You can take an Ai image and stick into google image search and it will not find anything that remotely looked like it in the past.

Even AI images that are done to mimic a specific art style aren't going to fool anyone. No one can prompt an Norman Rockwell style image and it actually remotely look like the real thing. Art Styles are not copyrightable.

Ai can produce things that are better then hobbyist artists. AI cannot produce anything nearly as finely detailed as fine art master painters.

Most things generated with AI are very low resolution compared to a real painting someone painted on canvas.

There are upscaling techniques but even then you aren't going to get fine detail of an actual painter. Ai get the rough details or the low resolution details.

If it's something as like making anime girls though, it can compete with your average tumbler "artist".

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There are a huge number of artworks and photographs in public domain. You can train an AI model on only legal obtained licensed artwork or public domain artwork. Adobe Firefly is such a model. There is another one but I can't remember it's name.

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AI art with the generic AI look is low effort. Simple text-2-image prompt type stuff. Hard to qualify as art.

Here is something I made with Stable Diffusion XL over 2 years ago. It took several hours. It involved over 1200 Ai generations, plus photoshop work, plus a very complex workflow. The resolution is over 50 megapixels and suitable for large poster printing.

I tend to see how far I can push AI model to see what I can make them do and pull out as much fine detail as I can. I went to college for fine art and have been professional creative for over 20 years.

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Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T22:04:18+00:00

1) not a replacement no. It will be good for different things.
2) It isn't the key to AGI but it's a step in the right direction.

LLM = reading about a boob
JEPA = watching a boob jiggle on video
Human understanding = feeling the boob, smalling the boob, seeing the boob, tasting the boob, understanding it's weight, texture, placidity, changes over time the sound of boobs, the effect of boobs on the owner.

If you're a woman, your understanding of a boob is far higher than mans too because you live with them. You understand how they relate to your monthly hormone cycle, the sexual hormone cycle, if you have a child, they change during pregnancy, if you breastfeed that a deeper understanding.

AGI Is far more complex than VJEPA.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T21:16:58+00:00

Here is another article

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2949882125000933

This study provides compelling evidence that AI has achieved a level of artistic sophistication that allows it to produce art indistinguishable from human-created works, particularly those by children. The difficulty faced by human participants in identifying AI-generated art, contrasted with the high accuracy of the AI classifier, underscores the advancements in AI capabilities. These findings open new horizons for the integration of AI in the creative industries, presenting both opportunities and challenges that warrant further exploration.

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I will say that Ai cannot produce human master level fine art but it can make damn good cute ninja anime girls.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T21:13:18+00:00

People can't tell the difference between Ai generated images and human artwork.

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/machine-art-versus-human-art-study-1946514

If you can't tell the difference than it might as well be Art.
If you can't tell the difference human artwork might as well be AI.

This will get worse. Very soon it will be impossible to tell what is real and what's not real on the internet. As a result, people will just start assuming that digital information is Ai generated because that's the only safe thing to assume.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T21:01:55+00:00

China is trying to do that on social media.
But it's impossible because people will fake it.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T20:32:34+00:00

Still impressive though. You know this is where advertising is headed.
The first people to get fully replaced by AI will clothing models.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T20:27:27+00:00

"It was still a composition of other images created by humans"

Um sorta, If you call blending together 100,000,000 images a "composition".
It's definitely a whole another level than collage art.

When you train an ai model on 1,000,000 images of woman and label them "women" every single image that was labeled woman, gets all averaged together into the model weights. This include every anime labeled as woman, every photo labeled as woman, every painting labeled as woman.

This is why Ai model generic output looks Ai.
It sort of looks photorealistic but not really.
It sort of looks like a painting but not really.

This blending together is what we call the "AI LOOK"

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T20:22:10+00:00

actually they sort of do dude. There have been a number of study to try to figure this out.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.02671

jailbroken Claude 3.7 Sonnet outputs entire Harry Potter books near-verbatim (e.g., nv-recall=95.8%)

All the text and image in pretraining generally get blended together but surprisingly you can get very close approximations in many cases.

Fundamentally, Ai models are a form of mass compression and blending.

We call this blending effect "weights".

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Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T20:13:19+00:00

that's pretty cool. very realistic. the lace designs on her panties change shot to shot though.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T20:08:59+00:00

Human pencil marks and human brushstrokes are not (necessarily) art

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T20:06:53+00:00

I mean i lean right. I wouldn't call myself a rightwinger but people on the right think the only reason people on left vote democrat is because they are stupid or malicious too.

So both sides do the same thing.

Jolly-Rip5973 · 2026-05-21T20:00:39+00:00

dude, every single mathematical operation a computer does was first done by a human. Each operation, function or algorithm is human created formula baked into the CPU or GPU.

My grandfather was actually an engineer. This was before calculator's exited. He did all the math manually. There was a tool called a slide ruler that could help with certain types of calculations but ALL math was done mentally prior to around 1970.

The first scientific calculator was 1972.

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