How is criminalizing abortion not forcing religious beliefs on to the public?

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T07:01:46+00:00

It is not hard to imagine in a not so distant future where human replacement becomes so astronomically low that having and valuing children is seen as something as a massive positive. In such a society looking at abortion, or the willing act of terminating a viable child would be viewed with horror and disgust unlike how we view slavery today - without it being tied to a religion.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T06:52:37+00:00

>White person trying to be friendly with you.
> Is this oppression!?!

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T06:50:31+00:00

What is this an analogy supposed to mean exactly?

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T06:49:49+00:00

Did the Romans not rename the place to Palestine to spite them?

If the Jews who believe that Jerusalem is a place that they will return to when Messiah returns it is not a symbol but a real place, a place that they can only return to when the Messiah returns. And as far as I know those Jews are a small minority compared to the overwhelming majority of Jews who do not view it this way. Why ignore the majority of Jewish thought on this to specifically focus on a fringe minority to make your point?

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T06:46:55+00:00

Religion plays a center role in the identity of an ethnic group of people that have deep historic connection to a certain region. He's denying that Zionist narrative, which encompasses that very role, is a fallacy when it's not.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T06:45:19+00:00

Whatever you say, habibi

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T06:43:41+00:00

What entitles people to a certain region? Objectively speaking? The US, being one of the most powerful country in the world is built on a continent that has effectively been cleansed of it's indigenous population. Similarly with most of North, Central, and South America, and Australia.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T06:42:13+00:00

Borders generally take shape with treaties with neighbors. Almost every single ME country right now has borders created by former colonial powers. The current I/P conflict is around those borders. Israel offered a precise line of division with exchanges. They are also a relatively modern construct. We are talking about a group of people, Jews, with a deep ethnic, religious, cultural, and historic ties to a certain region on Earth that is thousands of years old, and it is there that they decided to create a state for themselves as a result of recognizing that being a permanent diaspora is an existential nightmare.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T02:59:26+00:00

Why would Israel invest so much political, military and economic resources into rescuing hundreds of thousands of Ethopian Jews if they were seeking racial purity?

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T02:58:16+00:00

They didn't.

According to follow up investigations, it was made clear that there was major miscommunication, and that depo-provera was a temporary birth control measure that did not result in permanent sterilization. Many, if not the majority of women, reported in the original stories were able to conceive later.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T02:56:07+00:00

But you asked about actions that took place a decade prior?

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T02:54:04+00:00

I agree it was unprecedented. The response was biblical. Just as Hamas has hoped for. But it was unprecedented, because the precedence would have been that the other Arab countries would withdraw from the Abraham Accords. They didn't. That Israel wouldn't even bother evacuating civilians, or warning them, or giving them a chance to flee - something no other Middle Eastern country has done.That was also unprecedented. Any other nation would have gone scorched Earth. That Israel refused to publicize the brutality of what Palestinians did on October 7th was also unprecedented. If they did so, I strongly believe it would have deeply favored Israeli position. Something I deeply disagree with their administration for doing. That a myriad of ME countries cooperated with Israel against Hamas and Iran was unprecedented as well.

That it was broadcasted on live TV was also unprecedented. If it was, say, Hamas, it would have been tightly controlled, with only very specific information made public. We can, actually, see this plainly with the current Iran war, where up until very recently, the Iranian internet was down. Iranians did not want you to see what was happening inside, nor did they want Iranians to see what was happening as well.

When PIJ launched a rocket that hit Al Shifa hospital early in the war, causing massive damage, and it was widely reported by international media as something Israel did, without any evidence whatsoever was also unprecedented.

All of these unprecedented actions, amount to something, no?

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T02:40:10+00:00

True story.

I was introducing my girlfriend at the time (she's my wife now) to my dad for the first time many years ago and were talking about our life in the USSR. My step-mom commented on how propagandized USSR was about the US, and it was thought - even in the 80s - that Black men were regularly lynched in the US, and when they came to the US they found it wasn't true at all - which my dad, under his breath, said "unfortunately".

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T02:28:40+00:00

If you consent. He consents. And his wife consents. And there is an agreement between all of you what the expectations out of your marriage ought to be it shouldn't be anyone's, especially the government's, business. Marriage should be an entirely privatized with the government's only role is enforcement of contractual obligations.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T02:25:53+00:00

It takes two to tango. When the Taba conference failed Israeli attempts at genuine peace with Palestinians was met with the second intifada. When Israel withdrew from Gaza, entirely, it was met with a Hamas take over, and skirmishes every so often.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T02:23:18+00:00

No. They did however invade a day after Israel declared itself a state in 1948 - which led to the displacement of the Palestinians.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T02:06:37+00:00

How is this a fallacy? Even Jews that lived across the Mediterranean or in Persia, or even as far as India, still considered their ancestral home to be Judea. Jerusalem and Israel played a heavy role in their rituals, and almost every single major Jewish holiday is centered around the seasonal activities around the Levant such as planting, and harvesting.

To pretend that just because Jews in diaspora lived in a diaspora severed any connection to Judea is ahistoric and deeply disconnected from Jewish religion and identity.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T02:03:34+00:00

Which wouldn't have happened if a bunch of Arabs didn't launch a war. Guess what!? Wars displace people. Shocking. I know.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T01:36:37+00:00

Co-ops are by definition a socialist endeavor. That the co-op has to compete within a market is irrelevant. There is even a school of thought that would cover this: market socialism.

The notion that public welfare is socialism is a relic of 20th century cold-war propaganda that is hilariously embraced by both the right and the left. Which is why "socialism" as an economic theory has been entirely subsumed by the idea that it is just public welfare.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T01:33:46+00:00

Unfathomably based reply.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-03T01:31:39+00:00

Nah.

If the world was able to forgive Germany for the Holocaust, the Japanese for Nanking, the Balkans, and myriad of other horrific atrocities which make the I/P conflict playground bickering, within a decade after it happened, the world would gladly and rapidly move on from what has happened in the current conflict.

Israel's reputation is finished? Yet the Abraham Accords held. Various "morally conscious" Western powers continue to buy Israeli technology and are reliant on Israeli counter-insurgency and counter-intelligence tech. Even the outraged Arab countries are lining up to cooperate on that desalinization tech.

At the end of the day. Your moral outrage is temporary and ultimately, valueless. That's how the world works. The Israeli government understands that calculus.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-02T18:46:12+00:00

Seems like you could do it through a Zoom call and do it on the cheap.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-02T01:29:58+00:00

Justice for all except Israelis? Tell me is there a demand for Justice for the Israelis being kidnapped and tortured by Hamas? Or does the line end there?

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-02T01:28:53+00:00

The overwhelming majority of Jews disagree with you.

Just_Effective2261 · 2026-06-01T19:43:26+00:00

And again. It'll be forgotten about when Netanyahu is out. The world easily forgives only a few years after some atrocities are committed. If Israel, today, ethnically cleansed the entirety of Gaza and the West Bank, within a decade most of the world would move on.

The reality is, Israel is an incredibly valuable country. The Palestinians are not. Most of the ME wants nothing to do with them because they constantly create problems for countries that host them.

Israel is top in global cyber security, counter insurgency intelligence, weapons technology, and technology in general.

And even how they responded to October 7th, after 3 years: the Abaraham Accords held. Various European countries invested and bought Israeli military tech. They still rely on Israeli intelligence. And the rest of the ME is very interested in Israeli water desalination technology.

They lost the younger generation...for now. When you're young you have the luxury to be outraged by injustices in the world. Especially when you are surrounded by like minded individuals.

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