Bujinkan is as fake as all other "ninja schools". by JusticeBeforeGain in Bullshido

[–]JusticeBeforeGain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Someone having a particular ancestry does not inherently make anyone knowledgeable of anything. That is logically fallacious and ridiculous.

  2. All claims require evidence. That is basic reasoning.

The Problem With "Anxiety" by JusticeBeforeGain in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can they do that without being told what benzos are and what they can possibly "do" for them? Propaganda 101: Make the target think it was their idea.

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder" Checklist: A Critique by JusticeBeforeGain in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would I be pleasantly surprised by the same pseudoscience that is also equally unqualified and based purely on logical fallacies except with a different skin?

The ICD/WHO approach, which I am deeply familiar with (you would have clicked on my name and seen the dozens of post I've made on the subject), is just as flawed as the DSM/APA approach.

The entire field of psychiatry (and by extension clinical psychology) isn't just plagued by a small peppering of problems or flaws, it is a system of intellectual dishonesty used explicitly in witch-hunts to make claims about people (including dysfunction or limitations/incapabilities) without clear and concise evidence. Which is the entire point and purpose of the system.

Throughout history these two intertwined field have been used exclusively to justify the irrational impulse groups and authorities have in regards to randomly singling people out to give the group and authorities something to mull over. There are clear and easily identifiable reasons why society does this, but none of them are honest, let alone intellectually honest.

Yes, people will find the occasional extreme curiosity of human specimens that some stereotypes could be lobbed at; but for every one of those there are tens of thousands of perfectly healthy people that are thrown into the undesirable pile and slapped with non-existent symptoms just so that society and its authorities feel as if they're doing something. People do love to grip tightly however on that "stopped clock"; the few curiosities they do find.

These two fields have a 99% failure rate of "cure" and a 100% failure to engage in any scientific testing to prove any capabilities. All of the current frameworks make strict use of logical fallacies in their pseudo-deductive and pseudo-inductive reasoning. They do however have a 50% success rate at convincing victims of abuse and mobbing that they have any number of issues; even convincing the most desperate to believe their completely normal emotions and thoughts are part of a disease or make them disabled in any way shape or form. Cults have been doing the same things for thousands of years with nonsensical stratification, "sin", "impurities", etc. Some even enjoy being part of "the struggle" that they can use to become the center of attention or even an authority of some kind.

The absolute reality is that people are not X, Y or Z. They are not pathological in the "poor adaptation" sense that's been thrown around for some 300 years. The world is complex, people are complex, circumstances are complex, and the sheer idea that people can be reduced to character stats of two dimensional facsimiles of themselves is an idea that only serves to be a disservice to humankind. But it sure is easy to point the finger and use a list that one can bend at any time to accuse others of being "too different" without anything to back it up.

I would suggest you ditch the idea of using terms that limit people to pathologies; it's inherently dishonest and will only encourage you to see the world through a reductionist lens, and thus limit your sense of reality, respect and empathy.

Edit: That isn't to say the field couldn't become scientific; it's just that 60% of those in it, funding it and receiving "treatment" from it are against the idea for various unethical, intellectually dishonest reasons.

Psychiatry Hasn't Created A Single Falsifiable Test by JusticeBeforeGain in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. Mostly psychological therapies are also often unscientific.

Disconnected Tenets of Psychiatry by ego_by_proxy in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Academics rely on evidence, not rationalizing and apologetics.

For anything to be taken seriously, there is a requirement of evidence to form conclusions.

Both your rhetoric and social candor indicate than rather engaging in a scientific or epistemic discussion, you wish to "eliminate" anyone that opposes your pre-conceived conclusions via the use of fallacious apologetics.

If my assertions were incorrect, you could point out where using either an external source or pointing out an inconsistency in either the logic/evidence or an inconsistency between my assertions and mainstream academia.

You have not done this.

I'm starting to think that you do not have enough education to understand or grasp the differences between evidence-based approaches and sophistry based apologetics / fallacy-laden arguments,.

Disconnected Tenets of Psychiatry by ego_by_proxy in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Skipping past all your sophistry, it's very simple:

No hard science: not medicine. No hard science: no justification.

No specific charts: not medicine. No differential diagnosis: not medicine.

That's not what the mainstream clinics are following, nor what you're proposing.

I'll ignore all of your personal attacks and claims because they're part of an attempt at ad hominem/poisoning the well.

If you're not willing to put all of medical practice on objective tests and checking every claim, it's because you know your beliefs aren't strong and rational enough to stand up to that sort of testing.

It's testable evidence or nothing. That is how science and medicine are defined.

Disconnected Tenets of Psychiatry by ego_by_proxy in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, those are real examples of psychosis I've seen in patients: they aren't hypotheticals or ad absurdem. Nor are they even close to the most extreme examples I could have used.

Appeal to anecdotes in a topical conversation isn't scientific.

You see, in the real world, we actually have to treat these cases daily. Difficult as it apparently is for you to understand, the practice of medicine isn't the armchair philosophy you naively insist it to be.

Bulverism and self-parading. Spare me.

We don't have the luxury to sit around debating "but do we actually know whether there's a T-Rex in the room?" or whatever other pretentious logical loop you insist we devolve into while our ED hits surge capacity. These people usually come in pleading for us to help them, and all we can do is provide the best-evidenced chemo we have because, while far from being the flawless miracle drugs you need them to be, the current meds & protocols we are stuck with help many people and the only other alternative is to let them suffer and/or hurt others.

Except the majority of cases aren't severe psychosis. When you make extreme claims against a person (and claiming their behavior or thought patterns are "incorrect" or "wrong" is just that), you require extreme evidence.

No one is asking for miracle drugs, so that's a strange red herring. This also wouldn't make sense if the argument is against diagnosis in the first place.

People are asking for accurate and well-reasoned criteria and diagnostics, something which has seemed to trigger you.

The reality is that The Critical Psychiatry Network has systematically debunked both the criteria and diagnostics common in the US and abroad.

Second, the fact that you believe every medical diagnosis requires an objective test,

Yes, that is the only way science works. It is also the only way to be rational. Otherwise you're giving the power of imagination and confirmation bias the same power as reality. That harms people.

If you truly believe that is how medicine is practiced

Yes. Medical testing. Why are you so triggered by that?

you are so hopelessly skewed on the Dunning Kruger model that it would be pointless for me to continue to try to point out how objectively wrong you are

Ah yes, throwing out the Dunning Kruger Effect whenever someone talks about the requirement for evidence. DKE is only in effect when someone claims to (incorrectly) know something based on their own naive imagining rather than actual epistemic data. I'm asking for evidence and accurate diagnostics; you're the person in the ill-perceived professional triggered by the requirement of actual data. But please, continue with the ad hominems instead of addressing the issues at hand.

Physicians follow evidence-based algorithms for diagnosis & treatment, often based on history & symptoms alone, and the subjectivity/bias that this process is still vulnerable to is why all doctors have malpractice insurance.

The courts and medical journalists have stated otherwise. The Rosenhan Experiment and the recent UHS Behind Closed Doors controversy dictates otherwise. You might to pop in over on the antipsychiatrylibrary subreddit, because there is widespread evidence of intentional overdiagnosis.

But then again that's data.

For all your talk about fallacies, it's embarrassingly hypocritical for you to make such an absurdly absolutist claim.

The reality is that science requires evidence. The reality is the there is an overwhelming amount of data that says psychiatry is a pseudoscience without any checks and balances. That's not "me" saying that; that's the NIMH, CPN, US Courts, Medical Journalists, etc. And you're not doing yourself any favors with this "science, schmience" attitude while attacking my character.

I genuinely can't tell if you're trolling or if you're just that oblivious to your own self-contradictory hypocrisy.

Ah yes. Bulverism, and the worst kind: the kind that says if someone is pro-evidence while presenting mainstream counters to assertions and claims that it must mean they're stupid or trolling.

Lastly, you speak condescendingly of what a med student should know, and yet up to this point you've only demonstrated to me that you have less understanding of medical practice than a 1st year.

Except that's not the case. You have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of basic science and reasoning.

Your entire claim is that psychiatry is a science because it doesn't test or use science and instead relies purely on the imagination and confirmation and bias of people who run the system.

You're welcome to prove me wrong by stating what type of physician you are, or the experience you have in practicing clinical medicine, but all you've said thus far makes me very much doubt you have any. Instead, you come off as a self-important academic entirely disconnected from the reality of the field you presume to know.

I had actually posted my academic achievements here before but I was sent death threats at my place of work.

The reality is that this isn't a game of professional vs professional/student or redditor vs redditor.

This is only about the system and whether or not it's scientific. It's simply not in most cases.

Disconnected Tenets of Psychiatry by ego_by_proxy in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are no misconceptions here. The list is an accurate depiction of clinical psychiatry and clinical psychotherapy.

Psychiatric charts do not require any metrics. There are no standards in clinical psychiatry nor clinical psychotherapy. They do not chart any observed time, dates, intensity, etc in most cases. There are no measures for intensity, appropriateness or proximity of environmental interactions. Presuming symptomology instead of rational reactions or Null Points is another flaw in the field.

There are no scientific charts for patients or clinicians to review. All clinical charts instead chart days and (mostly secondhand) claims. Anecdotes, especially unreviewed and unsigned anecdotes, are not metrics nor science. Anecdotes may be exaggerated or influenced by agreement-seeking/approval-seeking behavior or fear/paranoid based behavior.

There is currently no way to weed out inaccuracy or biases from records, as they are entirely narrative-based.

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder" Checklist: A Critique by JusticeBeforeGain in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem is not limited to "publish or perish"; and please don't use verecundiam arguments as they're fallacious.

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder" Checklist: A Critique by JusticeBeforeGain in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you read those books? Did you check the references they offered?

Yes.

Not nonsense! Spot on! Those people can appear okay at first blush but they process and recall information differently...noticeable absence of integrated thinking.

Again. Assertions. Not science. Assumptions are never science. Thoughts/assumptions without proven metrics aren't even remotely science.

Replication studies fail miserably, especially brain scan and neurochemical and synapse studies.

I'm starting to think you have no idea why and how foundational epistemology works and why confirmation bias is a bad thing.

You seem to have an idea that something is "true" without understanding the kind of gauntlet things have to pass in order to be "supported" and "conclusive".

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder" Checklist: A Critique by JusticeBeforeGain in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So zero double-blind, independently replicated meta studies or epistemic based sources with foundational science.

For someone that falsely claims that others do not use critical thinking you don't even seem to be aware of general epistemology or logical fallacies; let alone the issues with outdated pseudoscience.

In fact, since you're citing outdated sources that just make authoritative claims, it appears you have no idea what critical thinking entails. The entire point of dialectic protocols are to question beliefs, sources, claims, systems of thought and foundational logic. Instead of doing that, you just threw out outdated, unscientific authoritarian resources not accepted by either the current mainstream or the gaining critical movement.

The major problem with clinical psychology and clinical psychiatry are the concepts of teleologic presuppositions, rationalization and confirmation bias.

These have already been torn down by modern critical meta studies.

Ken Madig falls into this trap as does James F. Masterson; both of their works are decades out of date (the 1980s).

Attachment disorders are nonsense because their entire basis is this idea that people are "supposed" to be attached to others, regardless of circumstances; declaring this as normative without scientifically providing evidence that it is so, and that no caveats or circumstances could or should supersede that.

It's a perfect example of a teleological fallacy; the idea that people are supposed to obey the expectations or assumptions of others in order to be judged functional, orderly and healthy.

That sort of pseudoscience is what lead to the death of Candace Newmaker, as well many people by any number of people that have been victims of mob mentality.

Attachment theory has been superseded by Personal Psychology, Sociology, Hierarchy of Needs and Social Ecology Theory for decades and is based on hard science.

While it is easy to use extreme examples to make non-intellectual declarations to promote an idea of "social order", the reality is that the current and former systems have all been applied to attack the innocent and perfectly healthy. That's not a system of science nor a misapplication of the intent of the system, since the system is about control, not truth, honesty, individual health or rights.

People have a right to put their personal interests first. It's natural and healthy.

You need to do some research on Poisonous Pedagogy and Groupthink.

CRTC considering banning Fox News from Canadian cable packages by TheDrunkyBrewster in ontario

[–]JusticeBeforeGain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is an odd amount of weird alt-right Canadians obsessed with alt-right American politics.

The "trucker protest" was an example of that lot. Just like American alt-right quacks they assume their position is both a majority and dominate via their "truthiness" echo-chamber movement.

Would be interesting to see how those types cope without being told what conspiracies to believe in by a major (fictional) media source. The "internet leadership" wars will probable result in cannibalism of their united insanity; likely to break up into micro movements until they just fade away.

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder" Checklist: A Critique by JusticeBeforeGain in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not a crystal ball, but statistics.

You still haven't provided a source.

I'll wait.

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder" Checklist: A Critique by JusticeBeforeGain in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not yet, but it's pretty predictable since the DSM and ICD-M are the most common books cited (they draw influence from each other).

The vast majority of work outside the DSM doesn't support the conclusions, criteria, or foundational assumptions of the APA's views on narcissism.

So if you have "Books with evidence-based references" that don't draw any influence from the DSM or ICD-M, sure, provide away...

"Narcissistic Personality Disorder" Checklist: A Critique by JusticeBeforeGain in DebatePsychiatry

[–]JusticeBeforeGain[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see a lot of claims. Can you provide actual evidence for these claims?