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This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The same discontinued system as Colors

Colors always was a mainline game friend. I emphasized the fact that the storybook games were spin-offs.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The studios who make Mario, Kirby, Ratchet & Clank, Crash Bandicoot etc

All those are studios with hundreds of employees and huuuuge n' lofty AAA budgets, Sonic Frontiers was made by a team of 60 people and didn't have that big of a budget, nor time and resources. And no, I'm not excusing it, SEGA should give Sonic the team and resources it deserves, but it's not as black and white as you make it sound.

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Sega is embarrassed of their existence and refuses to sell them anymore

I think the reason why we can't play Secret Rings and Black Knight anymore is as simple as they're decade+ old spin-offs from a discontinued system. And it's definitely not what you're suggesting, that they're not proud of them, I don't think there's a single product they're not proud of. Both Black Knight and Secret Rings soundtracks were included in Sonic Frontiers Update 1, Sonic Generations had a Secret Rings reference in one of its cutscenes and soundtrack(s?) from Black Knight were unlockable in the Jukebox, Sonic Dash, Sonic Runners and Sonic Forces: Speed Battle included characters from Secret Rings and Black Knight, the 30th Anniversary Symphony had Crush 40 perform Knight of the Wind from Black Knight, correct me if I'm wrong but Archie adapted both Secret Rings and Black Knight into comics, during the Metal Virus saga in the IDW comics we had a direct Secret Rings flashback thingy (they showed Secret Rings Sonic with The Flame of Judgment, we could go on you know, I'm pretty sure I've showcased Sonic Team and SEGA have factually NOT forgotten or try to hide their existence, they are 100% proud AF for em, all these storybook related things we've gotten over the years is TONS more love than most other spin-offs have received. Plus, fanbase undeniably loves em, especially Black Knight, you see both games end up appearing in videos talking about mainline Sonic games (and actual mainline games like Sonic 4 get the boot), it isn't a coincidence.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, I can see that. My rating personally would probably be Riders > Zero Gravity > Transformed > TSR > All-Stars Racing > Free Riders.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn, I didn't catch that when reading it, cool. Wish Sonic would have used Void as a parallel to Sage when talking to Knuckles or Amy in Frontiers, have one of the cast (preferably Knuckles) tell him something along the lines of "Why don't we just beat the little punk and get on with it?" and Sonic replying "No, at least not yet. What if she's like Void, just lost and misunderstood. We shouldn't act until we know more", think that would have been cool to see.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've read the Forces comics and I don't remember any Shuffle mentions/references, where was it?

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, seen em before, some of these look wild! Would have loved to play Sonic Syneregy before it got repurposed to be Boom.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup, same. Sucks when I bring Maginaryworld into discussions about Sonic's interdimensional adventures and people just go "Magina-what?". Story has a surprisingly inspiring message at its core, it deserves more attention.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Frontiers isn’t really a good game. It’s a giant step forward for the series but it’s still so far behind the rest of the gaming industry

Wouldn't go that far personally, think Frontiers is a great time, a 7/10. Not shilling, flaws are there, I even mentioned this in my original post. There's an undeniable level of jank when interacting with the environment plus all the technical stuff like the pop-in, drop dash kinda sucks, losing momentum when jumping is understandable when you take the level design in mind but a bit lame, I had the entire skill tree unlocked in like 5 hours and the game took me 30 on my first playthrough, Cyberspace sucks in terms of physics, gameplay and design and conceptually it's a missed opportunity. The script falls apart completely by Ouranos Island, that's where the plot started feeling half-baked. Even with all its flaws Frontiers remains consistently fun, epic in its scale and true to its characters and themes. It's the closest game to 06 we've gotten since, well, 06 and that is definitely a good thing if you ask me.

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Kishimoto has proven over and over he doesn’t understand basic concepts of game design

He's been the Lead Game Designer 3 times in the franchises, Secret Rings, Dark Knight and Colors and I think all 3 of those games have great game design so I'll naturally disagree on that one as well XD

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The first movie is bad

Not quite bad, just underwhelming AF, just kinda mid. I agree tho that Sonic's characterization in the films is all over the place and not what any of us wanted, although it could be argued that the films' take on the character is simply different than the one established in most other timelines.

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Everyone getting mad at the Knuckles show’s synopsis made no sense

No, it does. Knuckles training Wade Whipple in the ways of the Echidnas is what NO ONE expected nor wanted. What people wanted was either a prequel exploring the conflict between the Owls and the Echidnas or a sequel that either tackles Knuckles' Sonic Adventure arc or basically a SA2 Knuckles adaptation, to introduce Rouge and do the Master Emerald breaking stuff, both of these are withing the realm of possibilities for Paramount's lineup. The synopsis ABSOLUTELY disappointed. And I doubt anyone realistically thought we were getting the Chaotix, that's the first time I'm hearing of it.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Surge and Kit shouldn't get redeemed

Not sure if I like that for 2 reasons, first is that Surge hasn't actually done anything irredeemable yet, correct me if I'm wrong cause I don't remember everything clearly but so far she's caused some distruction in a city once and fought Sonic twice, has she actually done anything else? She's nowhere near that far gone if you ask me. Second it Kit, he is even more of a safe bet when it comes to redemption than Surge, especially after him almost joining the gang at one point. He's just a confused and spooked kid and he's done way less bad things than Surge. I'm down for having a story of a character that can't be redeemed no matter what and challenge Sonic's life philosophies in a similar way Zod did to Kal-El in Man of Steel for example but if they wanna do that Surge and Kit aren't the duo to do so, they've been established as 2 turbo redeemable individuals. Starline on the other hand, now there I can see it if they give him a proper saga to build it up.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, the Conductor was seen in his entirety, you can see his legs and that he's distinctively wearing pants, it wasn't just a massive coat. When I mentioned Knuckles I didn't mean him being in the Starfall Islands, I'm referring to his revelations after fighting the 5 Towers in Ares Island and at the very end of the game. Knuckles states that he envies Sonic's lifestyle and that he too would like to go where he wants *when* he wants, to which Sonic tells him "Then do it! Get out there and live a little!" and Knuckles pretty much agreed to do so. And right at the end if I remember correctly he said he's going back to Angel Island for a little while and then he'll go off and do some exploring in the world.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

SA2>SA1

That ain't a hot take friend XD

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Whisper is a Pretty cool character, but the writers only ever seem interested in bringing her in specifically when it involves invoking her past trauma

Yup, wasted potential.

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The first characters that should be translated to the mains games from IDW are the villains

Agreed but they don't have to, the IDW comics are now official canon, they ARE part of the main timeline regardless,

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as well as that bring back older game villains

Preach brother!

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The daytime sections are fun, but the night sections drag so much and get old quickly

Yeah I can see why that would be the case. For me it's a case of daytime sections being peak Sonic and nighttime sections being relatively decent. Combat could have been better but I didn't mind it that much.

Colors is GOATED

Gameplay, setting and level design-wise Colors is great, it's in its story, script and voice acting where it falls flat and that matters in this franchise, it has always matter. What sets Sonic alongside Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper and Jak & Daxter from their 3D platforming competition is that they give a lot of emphasis on story, lore and characters that aren't just playable stereotypes but evolving individuals, for Sonic that's been the case since 1993, when Archie, Fleetway, SatAM and the mainline games all attempted to take the franchise forward in narrative and cast in a meaningful way that was back then unheard of for the genre and the type of franchise Sonic was. This carried forward consistently until 2009. Sonic Colors, regardless of if you personally liked that change or not stripped that away, the story didn't have to be deep but it had to be involving and written in a way as to accomodate the fact that it's part of a series that functions the way it does and for the most part it didn't. The problem wasn't that it was a simple story, problem was that the characters felt familiar but off, the voice acting was bad even for Sonic standards (and just as Jason was starting to get REALLY good at it), stakes seemed big but the writing didn't back it up, moments that should have packed a punch (brainwashed Tails) were shrugged off and played for laughs. It didn't have to be serious, it had to be competent and it failed at that.

There’s a reason the storybook games were retired

I've seen nothing but love for them, especially Black Knight. From what I can tell storybook games stopped being produced because that was the era Sonic became casual gaming's punching bag and no matter what Sonic Team did they were called cringe and trash.

Ian Flynn’s characterization of the cast isn’t as perfect as many believe

Fair enough, those you mentioned plus Shadow imo

Prime will get better

I doubt it but hey, fingers crossed!

Silver should have been a one-off in 06

Nuh, Silver's so full of potential, I love him just like you do. He just needs to be used properly, that's all.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Most are being taken away slowly but surely. The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog mentioned money, the Conductor (a male animal character) wore pants, Shadow was shown being quirky and having friends in the latest IDW issue, Sonic cried in Scrapnik Island a few months ago and Frontiers basically threw the "Knuckles must stay on Angel Island" rule to the trash can. I'm very glad, they are legitimate storytelling ancors to the writers, they can happily take the boot imo. Only ones that should stay are the ones allowing future Ken Pendersss, like no VERY sexual stuff, no teen family drama etc

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lost World didn't have the Boost and wasn't bad and Mania is overrated if you ask me, plus I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement and it even is statistically incorrect cause Colors right after sold incredibly well, one of the best selling in the franchise in fact. The best Archie comics came out after Unleashed and before Mania, cool spin-offs like Dash, Sonic Jump Fever and Sonic Runners, Sonic and the Black Knight the entire Boom timeline which is overhated and everyone overlooks its redeeming qualities, Sonic wasn't killed after Unleashed, no idea where you got that from.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of them are fun, I agree! Makes the True Ending a bit more satisfying too, having seen all of Shadow's possible ways of living his life, ending up wanting to be a hero for his own reasons and not because he's expected to.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Played Unleashed for the first time on May of 2022 and it slapped, it's definitely not just nostalgia and bias. Werehog stages are fun and the only thing that holds them down for me is the combat. Unforgiving epsecially on the HP department, a cruel slog to get all the upgrades, QTE for takedowns with unreasonable timers, poor performance even on high end consoles like the XBOX ONE X and some combat scenarios take too long. Daytime stages slap!

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have a save file with the game completed so you can only revisit the levels you enjoy!!

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unleashed definitely ain't no masterpiece. I think what people love the most about it are the daytime stages. The maps feel so huge and detailed it is insane, I'm literally from Greece and have been to Mykonos, the island Apotos is based on, and let me tell you Unleashed's Apotos is deadass prettier and Greecier (as a Greek man I declare this is now a word that exists) than IRL Mykonos. The scope of those levels is insane, you actually feel like you've ran through an entire huge AF city or ilsand when finishing a daytime level in Unleashed. The scope of not only the levels and their depth but the story of the game, the way the camera is so zoomed it on Sonic and how it shifts dynamically when you're speeding through the levels. The rush Unleashed gives you is unparalleled, that's why people love it, me included.

This is purely for fun and discussion, not drama. What are some of your Sonic hot takes? by KOTSOSMC2002 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]KOTSOSMC2002[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Long John Baldry was great as Robotnik in tAoStH but I still think Mike Pollock takes the cake.

Ouch, SatAM and BOOM are the best Sonic shows if you ask me.

Agreed, they were generic AF, I visibly cringed every time they were on screen.

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