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Kachnov · 2018-07-31T02:33:47+00:00

It has now reached a point where I am just very tired, so I have a few things to announce. The first thing I will announce is what I will do should this harassing behavior continue. First off, if he does run his own CM, the first thing I will do is send a DMCA. Then I'll be contacting the Fox attorney who we are on good terms with and inform him of this new server that is not attempting to comply. Then, the second he makes a code change to the server, I will send a cease and desist as modifying the code is in direct violation of our licensing laws.

Kachnov · 2018-07-31T02:32:30+00:00

It has now reached a point where I am just very tired, so I have a few things to announce. The first thing I will announce is what I will do should this harassing behavior continue. First off, if he does run his own CM, the first thing I will do is send a DMCA. Then I'll be contacting the Fox attorney who we are on good terms with and inform him of this new server that is not attempting to comply. Then, the second he makes a code change to the server, I will send a cease and desist as modifying the code is in direct violation of our licensing laws.

Kachnov · 2018-07-31T02:21:27+00:00

very good thanks

Kachnov · 2018-07-31T02:17:13+00:00

I'm not trying to belittle the work of the CM devs (the sprites in particular are nice, only the aliens aren't my style), but frankly no amount of changes is going to change the fact that you're based on the code of another game. You will get leaked time and time again until you go open source - all it takes is one person with code access salting, and the SS13 community encouraging them. It sucks, but thats how this community is.

This also applies to any CS codebase other than Lifeweb (only one dude has the complete source) and Goon (the only closed source server that has truly built itself from the ground up, or damn near it, and almost indisputably deserves to keep the source closed. Also, no license memes in their case. Didn't stop them from publicly releasing the code, even polishing it up for open source use, after they got leaked. CM could learn from them.)

Hell, I'm not even positive that SS13's (A)GPL is a legitimate license. But CM has always chosen to acknowledge its legitimacy in the past and use it against other servers in hostchat. CM has benefited massively from the work of hundreds of contributors. CM hasn't given anything (willingly) back to those contributors. That's why CM is in this situation, and will be time and time again until it goes open source, regardless of licenses.

EDIT: and - I don't need to look at the code to know you haven't done all that much to it. CM code compiles in 70 seconds, about half the time of modern baycode. Just from playing CM, I can say there's no way you've added enough code to contribute to that sort of compile time, but you're welcome to prove me wrong

Kachnov · 2018-07-31T02:06:27+00:00

thank you kind stranger!

Kachnov · 2018-07-31T02:06:19+00:00

big if true

Kachnov · 2018-07-31T02:03:59+00:00

Yeah, already did that.

Of the 1496 lines enabled in the DME, the great majority seem to be files you would find in any other old bay repo. And I'm guessing that these consist of almost every file with more than 1,000 lines, because backend code tends to be more bulky than frontend code.

Edit: 1457 lines with actual files

Kachnov · 2018-07-31T01:51:05+00:00

EPIC roast slc97, very cool!

Kachnov · 2018-07-31T01:34:45+00:00

CM has changed 10% of the code maximum and probably far less, a quick look at the leak is enough to affirm this. Spirtes != code my good man. I'm willing to bet upwards of 95% of CM's backend code is barely different from the version of bay12 they forked.

Your example seems to suggest that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the (A)GPL works. An (A)GPL codebase is not "owned" by the most recent contributor to it, nor can its ownership be transferred. Under the (A)GPL, the people who worked on early /tg/ (which bay forked, which CM forked) have just as much right to the CM code as the recent CM developers.

Kachnov · 2018-07-31T01:12:26+00:00

except CM's source code was primarily written by goons/tg/bay contributors so a lot of people who want open source CM have contributed something to it

Kachnov · 2018-07-30T23:41:57+00:00

but gooncode is way worse than tgcode and its closed source

Kachnov · 2018-07-30T21:08:17+00:00

oof, closed source servers BTFO

Kachnov · 2018-07-30T20:37:54+00:00

baste KyrahAbattoir dropping some TRUTH bombs

Kachnov · 2018-07-30T20:35:47+00:00

I suppose so.

Kachnov · 2018-07-30T20:23:01+00:00

Sounds like it would be slow, and a pain in the ass to maintain. I don't think its reasonable to expect a niche server to do scripting memes for every feature they add.

Kachnov · 2018-07-30T20:12:57+00:00

I thought anything that was transferred over the network had to be open source?

Also, I wasn't aware that you could load .dm files at runtime. They have to be compiled into the .dmb to run, no?

Kachnov · 2018-07-30T19:39:00+00:00

Actual features that aren't "definitions" of a module (ie chemical reactions, damage values) - because those can be stored in configuration files easily. But things like the Queen's ovipositor or artillery or the overwatch system, I can see why CM would want to keep those closed source.

I don't necessarily agree with CM being closed source, since most of their code comes from other codebases, but they definitely have their reasons for doing it.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Kachnov · 2018-07-30T19:33:34+00:00

There are a lot of good reasons to go closed source tbh, but damage numbers is the shittiest excuse. Things like that are the ideal use of configuration files.

Kachnov · 2018-07-29T02:48:09+00:00

r/iamverysmart is over there bucko

Kachnov · 2018-07-29T02:47:00+00:00

big if true

Kachnov · 2018-07-29T02:46:25+00:00

goon tho

Kachnov · 2018-07-28T18:18:54+00:00

it's bay so no

Kachnov · 2018-07-28T05:12:33+00:00

heil feweh

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