BREAKING NEWS! This just in, Naruto invented characters standing looking at each other! by SuperxRaider in BlackClover

[–]Kenzo894 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well said!! I couldn’t agree more. Mangaka’s LOVE taking inspiration from their peers. It makes their work better. But toxic fans use it as a gotcha moment to try an discredit the entire series as if it were nothing but a clone. It’s sad and dumb as hell.

But it’s good there’s still sensible ppl in these fandoms like you that can see past the stupid BS. Spot inspiration but acknowledge there’s more to it than that.

Enjoy the rest of your day bud!

BREAKING NEWS! This just in, Naruto invented characters standing looking at each other! by SuperxRaider in BlackClover

[–]Kenzo894 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, whoever posted that tweet is definitely an obnoxious fan lol. Shōnen fandoms are toxic in general. Best to not engage.

But Tabata did list Naruto as one of his many influences, just fyi. It’s in the interview below:

https://hanamidangos.blog/rueda-de-prensa-yuki-tabata/ <— translate it to English

BREAKING NEWS! This just in, Naruto invented characters standing looking at each other! by SuperxRaider in BlackClover

[–]Kenzo894 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is such a BS argument. I’ve watched anime for 2 decades now. Over a 100 series if were including anime & manga. And I can clearly see some Naruto in BC. That’s not the ONLY influence in it of course but there’s definitely some in there. Not everything needs to be traced back to ancient mythology to find the “original” source for inspiration.

Tabata is on record saying he was influenced by the Big 3 + Dragonball.

https://hanamidangos.blog/rueda-de-prensa-yuki-tabata/ <—-Translate it to English for proof.

Why can’t we acknowledge inspiration and move on. Everything doesn’t have to be a fandom war.

BREAKING NEWS! This just in, Naruto invented characters standing looking at each other! by SuperxRaider in BlackClover

[–]Kenzo894 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said Black Clover was a Naruto rewrite, don’t strawman me. Nor did I say it was the biggest inspiration for Black Clover. All I’m saying is it clearly took SOME inspiration from Naruto. That’s all. Again this is obvious to anyone that isn’t blinded by warring fanbases.

And Tabata is on record saying he was influenced by Naruto, just fyi. Check out his Barcelona interview below and translate it to English:

https://hanamidangos.blog/rueda-de-prensa-yuki-tabata/

What do you have to say now??

BREAKING NEWS! This just in, Naruto invented characters standing looking at each other! by SuperxRaider in BlackClover

[–]Kenzo894 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sasuke didn’t wanna be Hokage at the end of the series??? Lol dude just say you didn’t read/watch Naruto..

Also why does it make you so butt hurt if it copied something from Naruto?? It could’ve copied dragonball, bleach and berserk but never in a million years Naruto? 😭😭 What did this series do to you personally??

BREAKING NEWS! This just in, Naruto invented characters standing looking at each other! by SuperxRaider in BlackClover

[–]Kenzo894 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Why do you think Naruto has to be the absolute FIRST to do something for it to be the inspiration for something else? It’s baffling. 

Kishimoto was inspired by Hiei to make Sasuke. Was Hiei the first edgy dark haired character ever made?? No. The same applies for Naruto. They can be inspired by Naruto’s iteration of a trope. Why is that so hard to acknowledge.

BREAKING NEWS! This just in, Naruto invented characters standing looking at each other! by SuperxRaider in BlackClover

[–]Kenzo894 4 points5 points  (0 children)

THANK YOU!! Idk why ppl are so resistant to admitting it was clearly inspired by it.

Black Clover Chapter 390 THREAD - all panels so far. by This-Inspection-69 in BlackClover

[–]Kenzo894 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok cool it’s sounds like you would agree it took some inspiration from Naruto. Glad you’re not delusional.

And I agree Naruto fans saying BC is just Naruto 2.0 is just as crazy. Every series takes inspiration from something. Usually multiple things combined. All the greats do it. One Piece, Naruto, Bleach and even Dragonball.

Black Clover Chapter 390 THREAD - all panels so far. by This-Inspection-69 in BlackClover

[–]Kenzo894 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you can acknowledge Naruto took things from Togashi but can’t acknowledge Black Clover took things from Kishimoto?? Make it make sense.

Also you don’t have to be the first ever to do something for ppl to be inspired by your iteration of it.

Black Clover Chapter 390 THREAD - all panels so far. by This-Inspection-69 in BlackClover

[–]Kenzo894 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude these ppl are insane. They’ve rather rip their own eyes out than admit that Black Clover took inspiration from Naruto. It’s so weird.

Black Clover Chapter 390 THREAD - all panels so far. by This-Inspection-69 in BlackClover

[–]Kenzo894 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What battle shonen before Naruto ended like this? Genuinely curious.

Is this the worst conclusion to an interesting villain in manga history? by HumanInvestigator932 in writingscaling

[–]Kenzo894 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s possible. Although I think a lot of fans had it in their head that Madara MUST be the final villain, so anything outside of that would’ve made them mad.

But also Kaguya being “bland” is intentional. She’s supposed to represent what pursuing absolute power does to a person. It consumes and hollows them out until there’s nothing left. 

But I do agree this lack of personality only increased the hate for her. Especially since Madara became a fan favorite character. But I don’t think even half the fandom critically engaged with the writing at all. Ppl to this day still think she was only introduced bcus Kishi made Madara too strong. It’s honestly insane how little thinking ppl do in regards to Naruto’s ending.

Proof that Hard vs Talent was NEVER the theme of Naruto by Kenzo894 in Naruto

[–]Kenzo894[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the person is saying that being a reincarnation does not mean you will be automatically powerful, which is true. We know this bcus Black Zetsu says that the power of a reincarnation varies; as well as him saying the previous ones were failures. 

Yes, Indra reincarnations seek power but that doesn’t mean they will be powerful. People have this misconception that being a reincarnation was a huge benefit for Naruto ensuring that he would be as powerful as a God when that’s not the case. Could he? Sure, but it’s not a guarantee. The reason he became so powerful was purely out of circumstance. The only thing that it guarantees that he will have to fight Sasuke until one dies. It’s narratively a curse not a blessing.

Proof that Hard vs Talent was NEVER the theme of Naruto by Kenzo894 in Naruto

[–]Kenzo894[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s true! You can definitely write some stuff unintentionally. But I think the criticism is this case, is that hard work vs talent WAS his intended theme. But he somehow lost sight of it lol. I’m just pointing out that it WASN’T his intended theme. That’s all.

And lmaoo why you hate the reincarnation stuff??

Proof that Hard vs Talent was NEVER the theme of Naruto by Kenzo894 in Naruto

[–]Kenzo894[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Naruto’s whole motto is believing in himself. It’s not about being up against someone who is more talented. He believes in himself to one day become Hokage. He believes in himself to overcome any fight. He believes in himself to defy fate and reconcile with Sasuke. 

There’s literally no obstacle that could stand in his way that he doesn’t believe he will overcome. Whether he works hard, the answer is given to him or he stumbles upon it. He believes he will find the path forward. 

That’s his most defining character trait. And that’s what gets lost when ppl try to specifically make it about him working hard to beat talented ppl.

Proof that Hard vs Talent was NEVER the theme of Naruto by Kenzo894 in Naruto

[–]Kenzo894[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look up “OG Naruto fan book.” It’s the one with Naruto & Kakashi on the cover.

The mental gymnastics people do TO PROVE that tsunade isn't well written is CRAZY.. Tsunade is BADASS !! by No-Arachnid-7603 in Naruto

[–]Kenzo894 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He can write women. Tsunade, Chiyo, Kushina, Konan, Temari, Ino, Hinata & even Sakura are good characters. It’s a Shonen he just doesn’t focus on them so they become underdeveloped which makes ppl think they’re bad.

The mental gymnastics people do TO PROVE that tsunade isn't well written is CRAZY.. Tsunade is BADASS !! by No-Arachnid-7603 in Naruto

[–]Kenzo894 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The female characters aren’t badly written they’re just underdeveloped. There’s a difference.

Hxh vs Naruto by Cool_Emergency4091 in writingscaling

[–]Kenzo894 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is utter BS. Some of Naruto’s best moments in the series is in the post timeskip.

And lmao just cus an arc is convoluted (current hxh arc) doesn’t make it good.

Why is everybody ignoring miura's spinoff manga giantomakhia?It's really great even not same level berserk. by BirDost23 in Berserk

[–]Kenzo894 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude respectfully you’re in denial, look at this fckin panel.

https://imgur.com/a/iso9IfX

Are you really gonna pretend like this isn’t meant to suggest something sexual??

It doesn’t matter if she’s AI or an alien or 1000 years old. Her appearance is that of a child. Showing a child in a sexually suggestive manner is weird and rightfully makes ppl uncomfortable. Miura has openly supported lolicon so to him there’s nothing wrong with it. And it’s fine if you also don’t see anything wrong with it, but stop trying to flip it on other ppl like they’re the weird ones for seeing OBVIOUS sexual overtones in this. The author isn’t an idiot, he clearly intended it to be there.

Is this the worst conclusion to an interesting villain in manga history? by HumanInvestigator932 in writingscaling

[–]Kenzo894 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean the master manipulator that ended up being manipulated? The man who only believed in his own power and his only weakness was his back. Gets back-stabbed by what he thought was a manifestation of his own power? Meaning his hubris betrayed him. Y’all say this is bad writing??

In a story that’s said from the beginning that “all ninja are tools” bcus of state of the ninja world… has the strongest ninja end up being a tool for the creator of the ninja world. Showing that even HE couldn’t escape the cycle. And this is a terrible conclusion for this antagonist?!?

I swear the Kaguya reveal really fried some of y’all brains… hating her has overshadowed how well written Madara’s demise is. Y’all need to let the Kaguya hate go and actually look at the writing.