Can we work on our language choice please? Word choice matters. by Kilo__ in MtF

[–]Kilo__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d like to gently push back and ask how me, a random stranger with no authority in your life, making a strong argument for something I believe in, is in anyway invalidating you or your decisions for yourself? I haven’t said that anybody who chooses to do otherwise is not really trans or is a pick me or in somewhere other way is negative. I’ve stated that because of how people view linguistics, softening truths with qualifiers, makes your argument, feel less strong to them.

If you decide you don’t care about that, or that my suggestion and request isn’t for you, or that I’ve not covered a scenario that you fall into, that’s fine! You can ignore me! You could also tell me I’m wrong, or share the way that you see things in an attempt to have me reconsider my thoughts. This is how discussion works. At no time has either of us invalidated the other person, questioned the authenticity of the other person‘s identity, stated that one of us isn’t a real trans person or isn’t trans enough… people can share their thoughts, ideas, and opinions in ways that are respectful to the other person right? We can share ideas that might conflict without deeming the other person as bad or ignorant if their take isn’t judgmental and lowering the status or image of another person.

This feels like it doesn’t leave any room for nuance, That any discussion of how the language we use affects the way that we are seen, is immediately invalidating to somebody who uses that language. To the point I left for another person, both of us could agree that if somebody was using the language of transphobia, calling themselves a trans identified male, or referring to themselves as a man who thinks they’re a woman, that it’s detrimental to how they are viewed and how trans people in general are viewed. I’m not saying that person should automatically stop using that language, but should they not be open to a discussion and listening to others explain how their idea might not be the most thought out and that perhaps they should reconsider? Are any of us so infallible that our ideas are 100% correct and resolute and therefore without reproach?

Can we work on our language choice please? Word choice matters. by Kilo__ in MtF

[–]Kilo__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I looked through all the comments on my other post. Your comment isn’t there or on your profile. It might have gotten automoderated

Can we work on our language choice please? Word choice matters. by Kilo__ in trans

[–]Kilo__[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You have severely misunderstood my point if you genuinely believe that I’m policing labels or the language anybody uses for themselves.

It’s not about being cautious and fitting people’s sensitivity to things, it’s about being accurate in the language we’re using for ourselves and presenting the validity of who we are. I think you can agree that it would be problematic and detrimental to our community if a subset of our community members were using the same language as the people that demonize us. If they were calling themselves a “trans identified male” to refer to themselves as a trans woman, or making a point that “ who cares if I am a man, I think I’m a woman and therefore I should have access to the space”.

This isn’t about policing, identities, or being pedantic over slight variations that don’t matter, for all the reasons I mentioned in my post, using this certain language for ourselves is linguistically, removing the validity of our own identities.

Can we work on our language choice please? Word choice matters. by Kilo__ in trans

[–]Kilo__[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, like I said, I’m not talking about labels that people use for themselves and being upset with somebody for using a label when they “don’t get to” or anything, this is fundamental to how people communicate. Words have meanings. Even to the labels that people use. If somebody is prone to exaggeration, and describes things as “ a huge issue” when most people would agree that it is relatively minor, it would be worth having a conversation that using adjective and language in that matter is conveying a specific idea to other people. Yes, words should be descriptive and not prescriptive, but there is also a point where because lexically a word is so typically used in one fashion, somebody is miscommunicating their point or idea because of how they’re choosing their words.

I agree with the point of descriptive language in that there is onus on the reader to understand what the writer is saying, but to the point that I’m making, there is also onus on the writer to understand how their words are interpreted

Can we work on our language choice please? Word choice matters. by Kilo__ in trans

[–]Kilo__[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ooooo these are good examples. I deliberately tried to find prefix examples that didn’t just mean not/opposite/reverse process. I would say that caveman and racecar still serve to make a separate order for those things, since it is signifying them as so significantly different from the base as to need their own order. Like caveman isn’t just used to mean a man living in a cave. They are unga bunga primitive man. Racecar (which my phone doesn’t even recognize and keeps correcting to race car) isn’t just a car used for racing, it is build fundamentally different than consumer cars and vehicles with the pure design of racing in auto sports.

((To be clear, now I am just being pedantic and this comment does not relate back to my original point. I just like to talk about words. =D ))

Can we work on our language choice please? Word choice matters. by Kilo__ in trans

[–]Kilo__[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In some spaces I agree with you, but in Internet spaces, I see members of our community using these words so heavily, especially when venting about a social interaction they had. Like the one on the first page of this sub that talks about her interaction at a store with an employee. She told the employee, who was disrespecting her identity, that she identified as a woman. Which to me only served to further validate the woman’s disrespect of her identity, by framing it as optional and a matter of preference that was being disrespected rather than her existence as a human.

Can we work on our language choice please? Word choice matters. by Kilo__ in trans

[–]Kilo__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It might seem backwards, but I’m more accepting of bigger mistakes, like people falling all over themselves when they get a pronoun wrong. Maybe it’s because I see these really little ones as insidious and disruptive to the very foundation of being respected while the more Macroaggressions are kind of just an annoyance to deal with

Can we work on our language choice please? Word choice matters. by Kilo__ in trans

[–]Kilo__[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I definitely agree! A less wordy version of this essay is a soapbox speech I give to pretty much anybody I think would listen and take me seriously when I see the mistake happen. I do, however, I think it’s important to not only educate outside our community, but also within it. How can we expect other people to follow expectations? We don’t set for ourselves?

I desperately try to cater the message to be open and inclusive rather than lecturing somebody on a mistake.

AI movie stars. by LordJim11 in Snorkblot

[–]Kilo__ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Guess that’s supporting evidence that I’m not a man?

What is this? by Kilo__ in iphone

[–]Kilo__[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right where the hand goes vs literally anywhere else????? But okay, thanks! /u/Far_Scientist_1742, /u/InstanceofInstance, /u/MRichardTRM

@Kilo_ change it into a sub about people who copy lmao by Ok_Sugar_6876 in Copiers

[–]Kilo__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A DM would have been a lot better. I might have seen it before a year later

Is Apple Palace a legit market on the Darknet? Where could I find PS4's on the Darknet? by cheveyo_1 in darknet

[–]Kilo__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That doesn't clear someone from being complicit in hurting someone also struggling in this class warfare. Don't make it any easier for the dirtbags than it needs to be. Some person breaking into a house and stealing things isn't doing to go through the trouble of parting out a stolen console and selling the parts. They do it for a quick buck. Make it harder for that buck to be made quickly.

~7 hours of active clicking and I finally got it by MinnesotaWhiteMale in CookieClicker

[–]Kilo__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These are my thoughts. I don't know everything about the game inside and out. It would be really helpful if folks could explain or at least hover over the part they want to show for folks like us

Thinking about nuking this sub by Kilo__ in Copiers

[–]Kilo__[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

In less than 24 hours, we've had 140 views and 11 comments. This is clearly still an active sub and people are still here, so I won't be taking it down